Finished watching Last Chance U last night...

[dawgstudent]

That was legit.

EMCC was just as much as fault as Delta in that fight. Calling timeouts up 48-0 before the 1/2 to run up the score in an already tense situation - you were asking for it at that point.

 

[drt7891]

While I agree that it was crap to be calling timeouts, the JUCO system is built off of running the score up. If the shoe were on the other foot and Delta were number 3 in the country and trying to play their way to the national championship game, it's not a stretch to think they would have done the same thing.

While it's tacky as hell and you'd never see that at any other level, it's part of the setup they have in place. Scores matter. Its and unfortunate part of their league.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

That was legit.

EMCC was just as much as fault as Delta in that fight. Calling timeouts up 48-0 before the 1/2 to run up the score in an already tense situation - you were asking for it at that point.

I tend to agree with you. They were on pace to beat them 96-0.....How many more points did they need to move up to number 1 or 2?
With that said, I was pleased to hear about it being renewed for another season!

 

[olblue.sixpack]

That was legit.

EMCC was just as much as fault as Delta in that fight. Calling timeouts up 48-0 before the 1/2 to run up the score in an already tense situation - you were asking for it at that point.

Agree. They can point to the JUCO ranking system all they want, but that seemed to be nothing more than rubbing salt in Delta's wounds.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

It's not little league or upward basketball

That was legit.

EMCC was just as much as fault as Delta in that fight. Calling timeouts up 48-0 before the 1/2 to run up the score in an already tense situation - you were asking for it at that point.

If you don't want to play, don't field a team. If you don't like getting beat, be better. The Delta coaches let their players start and inflame that situation. They had nothing to lose and EMCC had everything to lose. If it'd been up to me, I'd have suspended Delta's coaching staff for the next season.

All that said, I think Buddy Stephens is a complete tool.

 

[dawgstudent]

Both coaching staffs are to blame with Delta's shouldering the majority. But EMCC fueled it even more.

 

[missouridawg]

If you don't want to play, don't field a team. If you don't like getting beat, be better. The Delta coaches let their players start and inflame that situation. They had nothing to lose and EMCC had everything to lose. If it'd been up to me, I'd have suspended Delta's coaching staff for the next season.

All that said, I think Buddy Stephens is a complete tool.

If you think about the type of player that goes JuCO in football... Buddy follows the same kind of progression as a coach. Probably good enough to do it at a big time school, but dumb enough to prevent that opportunity from ever occurring.

 

[dawgstudent]

Are you willing to discuss your Joel T Coleman twitter takes today?

 

[missouridawg]

Are you willing to discuss your Joel T Coleman twitter takes today?

As long as everyone involved argues the facts instead of what Joel tweeted, certainly.

I never blamed Joel for causing Staley to transfer. And I'm no longer interested in trying to convince people of this fact. If the wording of my post confused people, I apologize for that. But I most certainly never blamed Joel for causing Staley to transfer.

The whole Twitter exchange occurred because Joel thought he got blamed for the transfer and I simply wanted to make sure he knew that wasn't what happened.

 

[dawgstudent]

Explain your thought on this. I enjoy a legit discussion.

If you don't feel like rehashing it - that's fine.

 

[missouridawg]

Explain your thought on this. I enjoy a legit discussion.

If you don't feel like rehashing it - that's fine.

I'll start a thread on it during lunch if I have time. Today is going to be hectic though. And tonight my Cardinals are in town, so I may not get to this until a few days. Look forward to discussing it though, because I have some things I certainly want to point out about what Joel said and did I'm sure he is a stand up guy, but he polarized the situation immediately and created the controversy. Which is what I hate about media these days.

 

[Dawgzilla]

The EMCC coach was laughing about it before he called the timeout. And then he crawled a little lower when he told the radio host that he called timeout so Franklin could have another series in front of the Auburn coaches. Really? 6 first half TDs wasn't enough to convince them? And he says "And guess what? They made him a scholarshp offer". That's great, but there's no way that offer was based upon the final series, which had to be aborted after the fight anyway.

 

[121Josey]

I'll start a thread on it during lunch if I have time.

You shouldn't spend too much time on it. I just read your comments and you're fighting an uphill battle.

 

[DirtyDog]

Back to Last Chance U

I agree that calling the timeouts was poor considering that they were on pace to easily score 60+ even with a second half letdown. Coach Stephens was a complete hypocrite for calling out his team when he just served a 2-game suspension for "fighting" with a referee. He has to set the example. He didn't like it when the players called him out on it. I do give him a little credit for coming back and apologizing after he watched the film. I really think he just realized that he was going to lose the team even if they won their appeal, and the apology seemed to fall a bit short.

The real star of the show is Ms. Wagner, the academic advisor. Wow, I can't imagine dealing with kids that refuse to go to class or even bring a pencil when their whole future depends on something as easy as showing up. She even read them the story since they wouldn't do it on their own. I hate to say it but I would give up on the ones that don't want to help themselves. Kudos to her for continuing to be compassionate and caring about getting them to class and getting them the grades they need to advance themselves.

BTW, I couldn't stand the J5 dude...what a cocky little tool.

 

[LTblows]

I'm obviously in the minority. Poor sportsmanship is taking it lighter on a team, regardless of skill level. If I'm a coach of a crappy team, I cannot appreciate another team not trying to do their best against me. That's insulting.

 

[missouridawg]

I agree that calling the timeouts was poor considering that they were on pace to easily score 60+ even with a second half letdown. Coach Stephens was a complete hypocrite for calling out his team when he just served a 2-game suspension for "fighting" with a referee. He has to set the example. He didn't like it when the players called him out on it. I do give him a little credit for coming back and apologizing after he watched the film. I really think he just realized that he was going to lose the team even if they won their appeal, and the apology seemed to fall a bit short.

The real star of the show is Ms. Wagner, the academic advisor. Wow, I can't imagine dealing with kids that refuse to go to class or even bring a pencil when their whole future depends on something as easy as showing up. She even read them the story since they wouldn't do it on their own. I hate to say it but I would give up on the ones that don't want to help themselves. Kudos to her for continuing to be compassionate and caring about getting them to class and getting them the grades they need to advance themselves.

BTW, I couldn't stand the J5 dude...what a cocky little tool.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. Him calling his own players "thugs" for that fight was a huge, huge mistake. He completely messed that up.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Where can I find this?

 

[dogmatic]

It's a Netflix original series. You can watch some of the episodes on YouTube for free - maybe all of them now, I'm not sure, but it's all on Netflix.

Mash here for the trailer

The series has been renewed and they're shooting at EMCC this fall for a second run.

 

[GreaterCowbell]

Where can I find this?

www.123Movies.to

 

[thekimmer]

I disagree....

That was legit.

EMCC was just as much as fault as Delta in that fight. Calling timeouts up 48-0 before the 1/2 to run up the score in an already tense situation - you were asking for it at that point.

What was the score when delta players jumped a student manager DURING PREGAME WARMUP causing him to need stitches in his face? It was patently obviously that delta intended to bait EMCC into a fight from the very beginning and started with their crap way before the score got to 48-0. Was the TO inflammatory? Yes, but minuscule compared to what Delta had been doing the entire game. Even if the TO was inflammatory, it was completely within the rules. What delta did was not. As someone else said, if you don't want someone to score then stop them. It isn't EMCC's fault that delta has such an unbelievably craptastic program. Then about the fight itself, both participated but I saw delta players clear their bench onto the field way before EMCC did. I saw 7-8 delta players gang up on and stomp a defenseless player. I saw overwhelmingly less effort from delta coaches to break it up than EMCC's. I saw at least two incidences of delta players using helmets as weapons swinging them at peoples heads.

Then the injustice was magnified in the punishment meted out. Delta bore the lion's share of responsibility (no pun intended) for the fight but was ultimately punished far, far less than EMCC. EMCC lost a chance at a national championship that season and possibly this season too. All delta got was a merciful end to another abysmal season and a good excuse for the first two beat downs of this season. I wouldn't be surprised if they forfeit the first two. EMCC is not pristine here and punishment was warranted but it should not have carried over into this season. Delta should have had their program shut down for a year. Wouldn't be missing much if it was.

The unfortunate reality is that having that much of a talent disparity between teams is a contributing factor. But that is not EMCC's fault. All I can say is the only silver lining is that delta has to come to scooba in October. I am torn between what I would like to see happen. Part of me wants to see EMCC try and break the Ga Tech vs Cumberland score. Then I think it might be more humiliating to score about 60 in the first half and then run victory formation the entire second half.

 

[thekimmer]

Well said....

If you don't want to play, don't field a team. If you don't like getting beat, be better. The Delta coaches let their players start and inflame that situation. They had nothing to lose and EMCC had everything to lose. If it'd been up to me, I'd have suspended Delta's coaching staff for the next season.

All that said, I think Buddy Stephens is a complete tool.

Stephens does need to tone it down a bit. I kept thinking with his apparent physical condition and temper he is gunning for a massive MI on the sideline one of these days. He apparently is already an insulin dependent diabetic. His field side manner make him an easy guy to loath by opponents, game officials and sometimes his own players & staff. He makes John Cohen look like Mr Rogers.

 

[missouridawg]

What was the score when delta players jumped a student manager DURING PREGAME WARMUP causing him to need stitches in his face? It was patently obviously that delta intended to bait EMCC into a fight from the very beginning and started with their crap way before the score got to 48-0. Was the TO inflammatory? Yes, but minuscule compared to what Delta had been doing the entire game. Even if the TO was inflammatory, it was completely within the rules. What delta did was not. As someone else said, if you don't want someone to score then stop them. It isn't EMCC's fault that delta has such an unbelievably craptastic program. Then about the fight itself, both participated but I saw delta players clear their bench onto the field way before EMCC did. I saw 7-8 delta players gang up on and stomp a defenseless player. I saw overwhelmingly less effort from delta coaches to break it up than EMCC's. I saw at least two incidences of delta players using helmets as weapons swinging them at peoples heads.

Then the injustice was magnified in the punishment meted out. Delta bore the lion's share of responsibility (no pun intended) for the fight but was ultimately punished far, far less than EMCC. EMCC lost a chance at a national championship that season and possibly this season too. All delta got was a merciful end to another abysmal season and a good excuse for the first two beat downs of this season. I wouldn't be surprised if they forfeit the first two. EMCC is not pristine here and punishment was warranted but it should not have carried over into this season. Delta should have had their program shut down for a year. Wouldn't be missing much if it was.

The unfortunate reality is that having that much of a talent disparity between teams is a contributing factor. But that is not EMCC's fault. All I can say is the only silver lining is that delta has to come to scooba in October. I am torn between what I would like to see happen. Part of me wants to see EMCC try and break the Ga Tech vs Cumberland score. Then I think it might be more humiliating to score about 60 in the first half and then run victory formation the entire second half.

Really liked that segment you did when you sung that song. You do good handiwork too!

On the reals, I think I agree with you.