Final season thought

[redwine65]

Nebraska did well this year, with frost getting things back on track & and players also did well turning things around.
I think Nebraska was well coached and the players left it on the field.
Iowa was also well coached for a consistantly longer time.

thus the game result.

on to recruiting and practice

 

[CatColumbia]

We need to get stronger and we need to make plays to finish games. There are five games (Colo, Troy, NW, OSU and Iowa) where if we make one or two plays, we win. Need to learn to close those games out. I feel like we brought back the fighting mentality back again, now we need to build on that and bring the strength and talent up a few notches.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

I don't think that we should ever say things were done well when the final result is a 4-8 season. There is definitely reason to be optimistic for next year with some of the offensive potential we saw this year though. If next year isn't at least a 7 win season, it will be a major disappointment.

 

[CatColumbia]

I agree. Like Frost said, we didn’t plan for things to turnout the way it did but it’s probably necessary to set the foundation for the future. Having said that, a 4-win season should get an “F” grade. In my opinion.

 

[Headcard]

I agree. Like Frost said, we didn’t plan for things to turnout the way it did but it’s probably necessary to set the foundation for the future. Having said that, a 4-win season should get an “F” grade. In my opinion.

I kind of look at it like the first half of the season was a F (a very low F) and the second half was a solid B.

 

[redfanusa]

Worst start in program history. I think it speaks volumes that the coaches were able to turn it around and win some games. Far too many times lately we have seen the team give up when things got tough. Coaching and leadership actually made things better after a tough start. That makes me very hopeful for the future.

 

[Wyldcard]

We need to get stronger and we need to make plays to finish games. There are five games (Colo, Troy, NW, OSU and Iowa) where if we make one or two plays, we win. Need to learn to close those games out. I feel like we brought back the fighting mentality back again, now we need to build on that and bring the strength and talent up a few notches.

As I said in another thread, don't dismiss the Purdue game as we completely gave that game to them, gift wrapped and sealed. We literally kicked their *** in that game. We had 11 penalties and so many miscues it wasn't even funny and the final score was so scewed as there were points left all over the field. All of the penalties and miscues in the game cost us at least 28 points. National media types were blown away at the fact that this was our game to lose and we did, and were favored in that game. Our lack of discipline cost us the 1st 3 plus Purdue. OSU was some bonehead drops by receivers and again, lack of discipline on the defensive side of the ball in run D. Iowa S&C, mostly on the defensive side of the ball namely the DL while the OL is much further along than the DL. the OL needs it as well. Strong DL means we're not baggin on the backer's or secondary. Most of the talent upgrade that is needed is DL and OLB, the rest is fine. OL could use some too, but not across the board. Now in defense of the DL and OLB, those guys were recruited to a 4-3 base not a 3-4. S&C is a must for the entire team, and another off season of it is gonna do wonders for the team. Looking forward to year 2. GO BIG RED!!

 

[redwine65]

when you think about last year at this time, things seem much more in place.

last year at this time NU football seemed like a chicken with it's head cut off. Im 100% more confident going fourth this year.

some defensive players had 5 dc's? thats insane or at least insane to me growing up with NU football and not having 5 dc's in a players career (see charles mcbride).

I hear people on here raging on the defense wanting a new dc, which seems to me clinically insane after the above mentioned dc musical chairs. plus there were times yesterday the defense clamped down pretty good.
(by the way who's responsible for the cut back runs? dl or lb?)

my point is iowa skull dragged us last year, and ohio state, this year we were a couple plays from beating them. if you watched NU all year I suggest you could see progression happening all thru the year. and that progression I believe is gonna keep going.

Also michigan skull dragged us and wisconson semi skull dragged us. but I feel both of them were before we turned the corner. and this years games is as hard as it gets. next years is gonna be a lot easier.

to me it's looking up across the board compared to last year at this time. NU has some fight back in them!

 

[BookingBowlGame]

Nebraska did well this year, with frost getting things back on track & and players also did well turning things around.
I think Nebraska was well coached and the players left it on the field.
Iowa was also well coached for a consistantly longer time.

thus the game result.

on to recruiting and practice

Did you watch the same games I watched? You must be young. Or have a short memory. My first year on campus was 1971 and the second consecutive national championship. Osborne turned it around in the 1990s when he stopped losing three games a year and won three national championships. Frost did not turn it around. 4-8 is not a good thing. I never dreamed Nebraska could be 23-27 over four years. Frost was a terrible failure this year. Real Husker fans would never think there was anything good about this year. It was a disaster.

 

[GoBluePureMichigan]

I don't think that we should ever say things were done well when the final result is a 4-8 season. There is definitely reason to be optimistic for next year with some of the offensive potential we saw this year though. If next year isn't at least a 7 win season, it will be a major disappointment.

Man....I would hate to cook for you....lol

 

[redwine65]

Did you watch the same games I watched? You must be young. Or have a short memory. My first year on campus was 1971 and the second consecutive national championship. Osborne turned it around in the 1990s when he stopped losing three games a year and won three national championships. Frost did not turn it around. 4-8 is not a good thing. I never dreamed Nebraska could be 23-27 over four years. Frost was a terrible failure this year. Real Husker fans would never think there was anything good about this year. It was a disaster.

what was NU's record the year before Dr.Tom started coaching? I forgot.

 

[Redscarlet]

what was NU's record the year before Dr.Tom started coaching? I forgot.

9-2-1 beat Notre Dame in the Orange Bowl.. But then again we had Johnny Rodgers..

Did you forget that Nebraska was going for a three peat?

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Man....I would hate to cook for you....lol

If you want to compare this season to cooking, this season started by dropping the turkey on the floor, the dog pissing on it, then burning it in the oven. But it's okay, because you ended up doing 4 out of the last 6 side dishes well, and came oh so close to getting the other two right.

 

[CatColumbia]

If you want to compare this season to cooking, this season started by dropping the turkey on the floor, the dog pissing on it, then burning it in the oven. But it's okay, because you ended up doing 4 out of the last 6 side dishes well, and came oh so close to getting the other two right.

Now this made me lol

 

[Redscarlet]

If you want to compare this season to cooking, this season started by dropping the turkey on the floor, the dog pissing on it, then burning it in the oven. But it's okay, because you ended up doing 4 out of the last 6 side dishes well, and came oh so close to getting the other two right.

LOL...well we didn’t have a kitchen to cookin because Eichorst and Riley burned it down and they didn’t have any cooking untensilsRollingLaugh.

 

[TribecaHusker]

Did you watch the same games I watched? You must be young. Or have a short memory. My first year on campus was 1971 and the second consecutive national championship. Osborne turned it around in the 1990s when he stopped losing three games a year and won three national championships. Frost did not turn it around. 4-8 is not a good thing. I never dreamed Nebraska could be 23-27 over four years. Frost was a terrible failure this year. Real Husker fans would never think there was anything good about this year. It was a disaster.

I was around for the 70-71 National titles too. Your post is so short-sighted, so narrow minded it’s hard to know where to start to refute it. Let’s begin the fact that the game is far different today then it was in the 1970s or 1990s. It’s much more competitive to get and develop talent, we can’t just get big, corn-fed guys and bulk them up. More importantly, for the first time in 20 years, Frost has given us a glimpse of what this team may be capable of. Instead getting shellacked by OSU, we nearly beat them — and with far less talent. Riley, Pelini and Callahan, never gave us this hope — just goofy schemes and poor recruiting that doomed us to mediocrity. Calling Frost a “terrible failure” is just beyond sanity. He is the best coach we’ve seen since Osborne and he’ll bring us within eyesight of a National title.

 

[BookingBowlGame]

I was around for the 70-71 National titles too. Your post is so short-sighted, so narrow minded it’s hard to know where to start to refute it. Let’s begin the fact that the game is far different today then it was in the 1970s or 1990s. It’s much more competitive to get and develop talent, we can’t just get big, corn-fed guys and bulk them up. More importantly, for the first time in 20 years, Frost has given us a glimpse of what this team may be capable of. Instead getting shellacked by OSU, we nearly beat them — and with far less talent. Riley, Pelini and Callahan, never gave us this hope — just goofy schemes and poor recruiting that doomed us to mediocrity. Calling Frost a “terrible failure” is just beyond sanity. He is the best coach we’ve seen since Osborne and he’ll bring us within eyesight of a National title.

You are rationalizing failure. Agree Nebraska has been mediocre since Osborne. Frost may win next year but this year he was not even mediocre. He was worse than Callahan and Riley. Minnesota was mediocre. They got a bowl game. Colorado was almost mediocre.

 

[TribecaHusker]

You are rationalizing failure. Agree Nebraska has been mediocre since Osborne. Frost may win next year but this year he was not even mediocre. He was worse than Callahan and Riley. Minnesota was mediocre. They got a bowl game. Colorado was almost mediocre.

You are irrational — and very short sighted — in your definition of what you called “terrible failure” (not just failure, but terrible failure). By your definition, we should just fire Frost and move on to the next guy, without any consideration of the hand he was dealt. Oh, and by your definition, maybe we should bring back Pelini, since you didn’t list him as a failure. Frost will be judged after he’s finished his rebuilding, to label him so harshly, so soon is just idiotic. I saw plenty of hope this year, that hasn’t been seen in 20 years, and I believe the vast majority of posters saw the same thing I did.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

You are irrational — and very short sighted — in your definition of what you called “terrible failure” (not just failure, but terrible failure). By your definition, we should just fire Frost and move on to the next guy, without any consideration of the hand he was dealt. Oh, and by your definition, maybe we should bring back Pelini, since you didn’t list him as a failure. Frost will be judged after he’s finished his rebuilding, to label him so harshly, so soon is just idiotic. I saw plenty of hope this year, that hasn’t been seen in 20 years, and I believe the vast majority of posters saw the same thing I did.

Waste of time to even respond to someone like that. I question whether the person is even serious or even a Husker fan. Just a pathetic loser that has nothing better to do than try to sow discord on a message board by posing as the one "Husker fan" who is willing to call Frost a "terrible failure."

 

[phoenix4nu]

You are rationalizing failure. Agree Nebraska has been mediocre since Osborne. Frost may win next year but this year he was not even mediocre. He was worse than Callahan and Riley. Minnesota was mediocre. They got a bowl game. Colorado was almost mediocre.

Interesting that you just joined this board on Friday.

 

[jolley]

9-2-1 beat Notre Dame in the Orange Bowl.. But then again we had Johnny Rodgers..

Did you forget that Nebraska was going for a three peat?

lost to ou, ucla, tied istate

 

[jolley]

You are rationalizing failure. Agree Nebraska has been mediocre since Osborne. Frost may win next year but this year he was not even mediocre. He was worse than Callahan and Riley. Minnesota was mediocre. They got a bowl game. Colorado was almost mediocre.

you are a troll. You don't know NU history. 1999, 2000, 2001 weren't mediocre by any means. 99 was 1 foot from playing for the NC, 00 was a fairly close loss to ou who was the NC, and 2001, they were #1 til colorado and at least played in the NC game. Probably, another iowa imbecile with a small male organ.

 

[TribecaHusker]

Waste of time to even respond to someone like that. I question whether the person is even serious or even a Husker fan. Just a pathetic loser that has nothing better to do than try to sow discord on a message board by posing as the one "Husker fan" who is willing to call Frost a "terrible failure."

You’re right, I may have fallen for the bait. Hard to ignore the most inane things though.

 

[yunginsNU2]

If you want to compare this season to cooking, this season started by dropping the turkey on the floor, the dog pissing on it, then burning it in the oven. But it's okay, because you ended up doing 4 out of the last 6 side dishes well, and came oh so close to getting the other two right.

Ahhh... thats gold

 

[redwine65]

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

The win-loss record was immaterial for me.
Watching the process of building this program up from scratch was fascinating.
Godspeed to all the seniors who gave their all through the tough times in order to help build something great.
You were appreciated, each and every one of you.

 

[barney44]

you are a troll. You don't know NU history. 1999, 2000, 2001 weren't mediocre by any means. 99 was 1 foot from playing for the NC, 00 was a fairly close loss to ou who was the NC, and 2001, they were #1 til colorado and at least played in the NC game. Probably, another iowa imbecile with a small male organ.

Not to rain on your parade here but I believe we lost to OU 31-14 in 2000. That was still a very good team but I don’t recall the OU game going that well other than us jumping up on them 14-0 early on.

 

[Iroh]

As a conversation starter...

Final Record: grade - F (if that is your only metric, stop reading now)

S&C - B (work yet to do)
Offense - B (need to be able to finish)
Defense - D (need to finish)
Special Teams - C (more in return game than Kicks, now that Pickering is in place)
Game day coaching ( C, learn to relax guys, don’t panic)

Stop reading now if you think these are the relevant metrics for the program

Now the big ones..

Fan support - A+ (who shows up to 2-7 team in that weather?)
Team culture trajectory- A (as those that do organizational change know, this was a dang miracle from first half to last)
Recruiting - A- (we’ll see how we finish)
Stability- A (next to culture and leadership, this is the most important)
Leadership - A (Moos and Frost are such a nice change from the clueless (Eichorst), embarrassing (Pelini) and the slack jawed (Riley)

Next 20 years should be fun...

 

[dinglefritz]

when you think about last year at this time, things seem much more in place.

last year at this time NU football seemed like a chicken with it's head cut off. Im 100% more confident going fourth this year.

some defensive players had 5 dc's? thats insane or at least insane to me growing up with NU football and not having 5 dc's in a players career (see charles mcbride).

I hear people on here raging on the defense wanting a new dc, which seems to me clinically insane after the above mentioned dc musical chairs. plus there were times yesterday the defense clamped down pretty good.
(by the way who's responsible for the cut back runs? dl or lb?)

my point is iowa skull dragged us last year, and ohio state, this year we were a couple plays from beating them. if you watched NU all year I suggest you could see progression happening all thru the year. and that progression I believe is gonna keep going.

Also michigan skull dragged us and wisconson semi skull dragged us. but I feel both of them were before we turned the corner. and this years games is as hard as it gets. next years is gonna be a lot easier.

to me it's looking up across the board compared to last year at this time. NU has some fight back in them!

Most people underestimate the value of continuity in systems to a team. 3 coordinators in 3 years is not a recipe for defensive success. Defense is so reactionary that you have to be able to react without thinking. Some people are WAY underestimating what a sh## show Chinander took over on defense. We experienced some addition by subtraction with a few guys leaving and improved as the season wore on. I'm taking Carriker's and Foreman's word on that because I don't know what the heck I'm looking at with the 3-4 a good share of the time. My eyeballs tell me we got MUCH better on D. I am VERY optimistic about the future of our program from top to bottom. We have the right guys in place. I'm not predicting any national championships any time soon, but we'll get there eventually. It's going to take patience and time. 7-9 wins next year. Then who knows AM's junior and senior years if he stays healthy and stays 4 years. The kid is that good and he's the kind of guy that wins a conference for you..

 

[BookingBowlGame]

I reacted to the comment in this post that Frost turned things around this year. Does anybody realize we were 4-8? The worst record since 1961 except for last year (a tie for the worst). Do we just act like we have a great team? Or do we call failure a failure? And the comments are correct, Nebraska was not mediocre in 1999, 2000 and 2001. But the highest ranking at the end of the year since 2002 is 14th. And we have been unranked in 10 out of 17 years. That is mediocre. And this year and last is failure.

 

[NECoach31BB]

Have to try and look but had read that with the regular season over for all teams, this was the hardest schedule that the Huskers have had, who played and where they played them. Not excusing 4-8 but with so many different defensive coordinators and teaching styles for both offensive and defense in the last four years, the progress this year wasn’t what people wanted but what should have been seen.

The early season as a struggle to watch but there were glimpses of special there they weren’t in a long time.

 

[dinglefritz]

Have to try and look but had read that with the regular season over for all teams, this was the hardest schedule that the Huskers have had, who played and where they played them. Not excusing 4-8 but with so many different defensive coordinators and teaching styles for both offensive and defense in the last four years, the progress this year wasn’t what people wanted but what should have been seen.

The early season as a struggle to watch but there were glimpses of special there they weren’t in a long time.

before the season even started NU's schedule was ranked as the 2nd toughest schedule in college football. Considering that we lost multiple games by one score, I think the 4-8 record is a little deceiving as to the actual progress that has occurred.

 

[Ewooc]

Did you watch the same games I watched? You must be young. Or have a short memory. My first year on campus was 1971 and the second consecutive national championship. Osborne turned it around in the 1990s when he stopped losing three games a year and won three national championships. Frost did not turn it around. 4-8 is not a good thing. I never dreamed Nebraska could be 23-27 over four years. Frost was a terrible failure this year. Real Husker fans would never think there was anything good about this year. It was a disaster.

Real Husker fans wouldn't make a post like this. Get lost Troll.

 

[redwine65]

I reacted to the comment in this post that Frost turned things around this year. Does anybody realize we were 4-8? The worst record since 1961 except for last year (a tie for the worst). Do we just act like we have a great team? Or do we call failure a failure? And the comments are correct, Nebraska was not mediocre in 1999, 2000 and 2001. But the highest ranking at the end of the year since 2002 is 14th. And we have been unranked in 10 out of 17 years. That is mediocre. And this year and last is failure.

One can look and not perceive,

 

[red scowl]

I reacted to the comment in this post that Frost turned things around this year. Does anybody realize we were 4-8? The worst record since 1961 except for last year (a tie for the worst). Do we just act like we have a great team? Or do we call failure a failure? And the comments are correct, Nebraska was not mediocre in 1999, 2000 and 2001. But the highest ranking at the end of the year since 2002 is 14th. And we have been unranked in 10 out of 17 years. That is mediocre. And this year and last is failure.

Iowa's good years are mediocre and they come and crow about it on a Husker board. You guys are losing your only threats in the passing game, but you say you will be better. Your teams are .757 and that has been established after 20 seasons.

Going in angry and dry next year. Try not to embarrass the B1G in the bowl game.

 

[HuskerHusaria]

before the season even started NU's schedule was ranked as the 2nd toughest schedule in college football. Considering that we lost multiple games by one score, I think the 4-8 record is a little deceiving as to the actual progress that has occurred.

Thanks for the good stat mate!

 

[jolley]

Not to rain on your parade here but I believe we lost to OU 31-14 in 2000. That was still a very good team but I don’t recall the OU game going that well other than us jumping up on them 14-0 early on.

ECrouch was trying to pass NU back in to the game in the 4th Q, but just couldn't, meaning, with other things, NU was still in the game in the 4th as I recall and they still had a chance, then, so they weren't out of it until ou, finally put it away. So what do say about the other years? As I recall, NU was in the top 2 or 3 before that ou game, and was favored.The guy's a troll. And don't worry about my parade, please, let him worry about it.