Explaining contract decisions

[AshCatchEm]

Hobbs decided to tack on pikiells latest extension in February 2023, during a season when it looked like we would make the tournament but then lost to Minnesota in horrifying fashion and ended up going to the NIT and were bounced in the first round

My question is..what in the name of all that was holy made Hobbs sign him then instead of waiting until the end of the year? Can someone refresh me on what the rush was?

 

[RUDivision]

Hobbs decided to tack on pikiells latest extension in February 2023, during a season when it looked like we would make the tournament but then lost to Minnesota in horrifying fashion and ended up going to the NIT and were bounced in the first round

My question is..what in the name of all that was holy made Hobbs sign him then instead of waiting until the end of the year? Can someone refresh me on what the rush was?

Pike has pics of Hobbs and the gymnastics coach in comprised situations

 

[RobertG]

Let's face it Hobbs was a bad AD.

 

[kt124]

I think people will say that the notre dame job was coming open and we needed to increase his buyout bc he was a candidate for that? probably wouldve been a blessing for us if pike left at that time

 

[RU at the shore]

Hobbs decided to tack on pikiells latest extension in February 2023, during a season when it looked like we would make the tournament but then lost to Minnesota in horrifying fashion and ended up going to the NIT and were bounced in the first round

My question is..what in the name of all that was holy made Hobbs sign him then instead of waiting until the end of the year? Can someone refresh me on what the rush was?

While I agree with what you are saying there are hundreds of examples of this in every sport. It happens all the time.

I am guessing it is to keep the price down in case the coach (here Pike) goes on a deep NCAA run and then the price goes up ?

 

[fluoxetine]

Hobbs decided to tack on pikiells latest extension in February 2023, during a season when it looked like we would make the tournament but then lost to Minnesota in horrifying fashion and ended up going to the NIT and were bounced in the first round

My question is..what in the name of all that was holy made Hobbs sign him then instead of waiting until the end of the year? Can someone refresh me on what the rush was?

Is the end of the year a magical time? What if we did well that whole year and then tanked the next year?

 

[AshCatchEm]

I think people will say that the notre dame job was coming open and we needed to increase his buyout bc he was a candidate for that? probably wouldve been a blessing for us if pike left at that time

Pike had literally signed a big extension that signed him through 2030 less than 12 months earlier. They would've had to buy him out plus bet on a coach with a grand total of one NCAA tournament win, with a history of his most talented team being beaten by a mediocre nd team in the play in tournament. That really was a stretch at the time. ND doesn't take coaches with such a limited resume coming off fresh contract extensions

 

[Ridge 22]

Hobbs handed out bad contract extensions like candy. The guy was a really bad AD. It takes someone really inept to be both bad at your job and fail ethically at it as well.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

When a guy makes 3 straight NCAA Tournaments after a 30 year drought, he gets the benefit of the doubt. Pikiell and Schiano are the optimal coaches for Rutgers, who are operating under the significant constraint of weak fan support. The only reason we’re not going to the tournament is fans did not provide enough NIL.

That Pike and Schiano have seen significant success in the Rutgers context speaks volumes about their hard work and dedication. Their extensions were appropriate and well timed, and eliminated uncertainty, especially important as we have no AD.

 

[Shelby65]

Hobbs handed out bad contract extensions like candy. The guy was a really bad AD. It takes someone really inept to be both bad at your job and fail ethically at it as well.

Shelby would rather be saddled with Pike's contract extension than Schiano's.

 

[Ridge 22]

Shelby would rather be saddled with Pike's contract extension than Schiano's.

Probably not a thought shared by most

 

[bac2therac]

Let's face it Hobbs was a bad AD.

This times a million

 

[dconifer0]

At the time he was a 'hot" coach who had quickly rebuilt a program that had been bad for a long time. I think there was a perception, at least around New Brunswick, that he was being viewed as the "next big thing" who would be snatched up.

I didn't share that perception. Going from awful to decent is one thing, but moving on from there is totally another...

 

[walshtrips]

Hobbs handed out bad contract extensions like candy. The guy was a really bad AD. It takes someone really inept to be both bad at your job and fail ethically at it as well.

Hobbs was a hero to many on this board two years ago, hindsight is 20-20. What's the saying? "past performance is no guarantee of future performance".

 

[Ridge 22]

Hobbs was a hero to many on this board two years ago, hindsight is 20-20. What's the saying? "past performance is no guarantee of future performance".

So was Pike. Neither was warranted

 

[RobertG]

When a guy makes 3 straight NCAA Tournaments after a 30 year drought, he gets the benefit of the doubt. Pikiell and Schiano are the optimal coaches for Rutgers, who are operating under the significant constraint of weak fan support. The only reason we’re not going to the tournament is fans did not provide enough NIL.

That Pike and Schiano have seen significant success in the Rutgers context speaks volumes about their hard work and dedication. Their extensions were appropriate and well timed, and eliminated uncertainty, especially important as we have no AD.

I think some of the NIL issue can be directly attributed to Hobbs. A news article stated recently that Hobbs was virulently against NIL.

 

[bac2therac]

I think some of the NIL issue can be directly attributed to Hobbs. A news article stated recently that Hobbs was virulently against NIL.

shhh do not disturb the narrative Al and some other push that its the fans fault..you know the ones who have donated money and been season ticket holders for years.

the reality is Rutgers has a very very small fanbase compared to most schools.

 

[fluoxetine]

At the time he was a 'hot" coach who had quickly rebuilt a program that had been bad for a long time. I think there was a perception, at least around New Brunswick, that he was being viewed as the "next big thing" who would be snatched up.

I didn't share that perception. Going from awful to decent is one thing, but moving on from there is totally another...

To be fair, at that point we were in the #10-12 range in kenpom and we actually cracked the top ten in Bart:

https://barttorvik.com/trank.php?ye...vquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#

The perception (around New Brunswick) was probably he was currently in the process of moving on from there. In retrospect they overreacted to a hot streak and Pike managed to negotiate at the absolute pinnacle of his career here. We have basically been **** since he signed that extension, he top-ticked that **** perfectly.

 

[bac2therac]

To be fair, at that point we were in the #10-12 range in kenpom and we actually cracked the top ten in Bart:

https://barttorvik.com/trank.php?ye...vquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#

The perception (around New Brunswick) was probably he was currently in the process of moving on from there. In retrospect they overreacted to a hot streak and Pike managed to negotiate at the absolute pinnacle of his career here. We have basically been **** since he signed that extension, he top-ticked that **** perfectly.

good thing hoops isnt played in a computer model

Pike certainly needed to be rewarded for his success but Hobbs went overboard. In reality it was 2 years in the ncaa...would have been 3 with only one win and all 3 years a struggle to eek into the tourney....incredible for Rutgers considering their history

 

[fluoxetine]

good thing hoops isnt played in a computer model

???

Do you not think the team was playing well in January 2023?

 

[KK1827]

Hobbs decided to tack on pikiells latest extension in February 2023, during a season when it looked like we would make the tournament but then lost to Minnesota in horrifying fashion and ended up going to the NIT and were bounced in the first round

My question is..what in the name of all that was holy made Hobbs sign him then instead of waiting until the end of the year? Can someone refresh me on what the rush was?

people gave hobbs way more credit than he ever deserved. Hobbs was a total moron who was probably the worst negotiator of all-time. He genuinely let pike's agent (whos very good at his job) convince hobbs that there were other schools, including even UCONN, that wanted pikiell LOL

 

[Simce91]

Let's face it Hobbs was a bad AD.

Bad AD's A Rutgers Tradition !

 

[RobertG]

shhh do not disturb the narrative Al and some other push that its the fans fault..you know the ones who have donated money and been season ticket holders for years.

the reality is Rutgers has a very very small fanbase compared to most schools.

Isn't it the job of the AD to help grow that fan base instead of bedding the gymnastics coach? Does St. Johns have a bigger fan base than RU? I get that St. Johns don't have to worry about football, but somehow they are able to land a great coach load up with NIL talent and make it into the top 25, while we still flounder.

Pickell and Hobbs had a unique opportunity with Harper and Baily executed correctly, you could have set up Rutgers for years. Instead I fear the opposite has occurred and they have set back RU basketball years. This morning I read this headline :

https://www.essentiallysports.com/n...ating-rare-freshman-milestone-in-purdue-loss/

What top player is going to want to play for Pickell when he had 2 lottery picks and he turned them into "Laughing Stocks"?

 

[bac2therac]

???

Do you not think the team was playing well in January 2023?

and it totally collapsed because one player got hurt....those games at the rac vs Michigan/Northwestern toward the end of the season said alot

 

[bac2therac]

Isn't it the job of the AD to help grow that fan base instead of bedding the gymnastics coach? Does St. Johns have a bigger fan base than RU? I get that St. Johns don't have to worry about football, but somehow they are able to land a great coach load up with NIL talent and make it into the top 25, while we still flounder.

Pickell and Hobbs had a unique opportunity with Harper and Baily executed correctly, you could have set up Rutgers for years. Instead I fear the opposite has occurred and they have set back RU basketball years. This morning I read this headline :

https://www.essentiallysports.com/n...ating-rare-freshman-milestone-in-purdue-loss/

What top player is going to want to play for Pickell when he had 2 lottery picks and he turned them into "Laughing Stocks"?

yep..just saw this one...not a good look for Rutgers

 

[Shelby65]

Probably not a thought shared by most

wait 'til next year. last year, even with the easiest conference schedule imaginable, another 3-6 record. he has the benefit of more than 2/3 of FBS making a bowl game.

 

[ancienthooper]

Isn't it the job of the AD to help grow that fan base instead of bedding the gymnastics coach? Does St. Johns have a bigger fan base than RU? I get that St. Johns don't have to worry about football, but somehow they are able to land a great coach load up with NIL talent and make it into the top 25, while we still flounder.

Pickell and Hobbs had a unique opportunity with Harper and Baily executed correctly, you could have set up Rutgers for years. Instead I fear the opposite has occurred and they have set back RU basketball years. This morning I read this headline :

https://www.essentiallysports.com/n...ating-rare-freshman-milestone-in-purdue-loss/

What top player is going to want to play for Pickell when he had 2 lottery picks and he turned them into "Laughing Stocks"?

Ah, the immortal Apoorva Chakrayat…

“Apoorva Chakrayat is an NBA writer at EssentiallySports. With over TWO years of experience in journalism, she brings her expertise in detail-heavy articles on basketball.”

Where do they find these people? But it won’t stop RU fans from posting their drivel.

 

[fluoxetine]

and it totally collapsed because one player got hurt....those games at the rac vs Michigan/Northwestern toward the end of the season said alot

Yeah…

Did you read my post or did your brain turn off when you reached the word Kenpom? Because the rest of it addresses that part

 

[Ridge 22]

wait 'til next year. last year, even with the easiest conference schedule imaginable, another 3-6 record. he has the benefit of more than 2/3 of FBS making a bowl game.

Wait til you see next year's mbb team. Not gonna be good

 

[bac2therac]

Ah, the immortal Apoorva Chakrayat…

“Apoorva Chakrayat is an NBA writer at EssentiallySports. With over TWO years of experience in journalism, she brings her expertise in detail-heavy articles on basketball.”

Where do they find these people? But it won’t stop RU fans from posting their drivel.

i dont think thats the point, the point is most people around college hoops are shaking their head at what happened. Stop trying to act like its not a disappointment and people arent noticing. They are going on with their lives because the program is still irrrelevant as its always been...but its more of the typical same old Rutgers

 

[Shelby65]

Wait til you see next year's mbb team. Not gonna be good

Probably true. Still, the fanbase continues to accept Schiano's Big10 perennial losing but not the same from just one year of Pike losing ?

 

[Ridge 22]

Probably true. Still, the fanbase continues to accept Schiano's Big10 perennial losing but not the same from just one year of Pike losing ?

One is on the upswing and the other isnt. It feels like Greg is figuring it out, while Pike is on a death spiral he cant get himself out of.

 

[PhillyRU]

Ah, the immortal Apoorva Chakrayat…

“Apoorva Chakrayat is an NBA writer at EssentiallySports. With over TWO years of experience in journalism, she brings her expertise in detail-heavy articles on basketball.”

Where do they find these people? But it won’t stop RU fans from posting their drivel.

Either these people are entirely made up or EssentiallySports contracts people to run trending terms on Google Search, etc. through ChatGPT/comparable AI software to produce 450-word stories. People should stop linking to them

 

[Shelby65]

One is on the upswing and the other isnt. It feels like Greg is figuring it out, while Pike is on a death spiral he cant get himself out of.

Upswing ? How ? Same 3-6 but against the easiest possible schedule and losing in a bowl game to a team with top players who didn’t all sit out, unlike Miami the year before. 3-6 is Schiano’s ceiling. Next year will show he’s nothing with a legit conference schedule.

 

[RUBob75]

Upswing ? How ? Same 3-6 but against the easiest possible schedule and losing in a bowl game to a team with top players who didn’t all sit out, unlike Miami the year before. 3-6 is Schiano’s ceiling. Next year will show he’s nothing with a legit conference schedule.

Shelby is misbehaving again!!!

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

guys. Steve Pikiell got the extension because he is the best coach in Rutgers history. 3 tournaments in 9 years(or 2 in 8 depending how you want to look at it) in the big ten and on the bubble once. The first three season were the best 15 wins seasons i have witnessed.

Pikiell needs to reconfigure the staff, start targeting juniors and seniors who are his type of player(defend and rebound), and the fans need to start donating to NIL. Very simple changes.

We look at Pitino. He is on record of not looking at a high school senior and believes you can only win with juniors and seniors. Combine that with a billionaire alum who wants to win and you get a big east championship team.

 

[Shelby65]

Shelby is misbehaving again!!!

Point out my inaccuracy Bobbitt !

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

I think some of the NIL issue can be directly attributed to Hobbs. A news article stated recently that Hobbs was virulently against NIL.

Hobbs was slow on NIL because his boss was not too keen on NIL, and flat out said, “we’re going to go slow on NIL” until we figure out what the landscape is going to be.

NIL was not in his contract, which is probably why he didn’t do much with it.

 

[ancienthooper]

i dont think thats the point, the point is most people around college hoops are shaking their head at what happened. Stop trying to act like its not a disappointment and people arent noticing. They are going on with their lives because the program is still irrrelevant as its always been...but its more of the typical same old Rutgers

I haven’t seen any of the Pikes supporters (yes, I’m one of them) NOT acknowledge that it’s been a hugely disappointing year. And yes, he has to own it. But as far as everyone is noticing and laughing at us, what are we, 8 year-olds? Cripes, don’t be embarrassed, just get better. And the constant, incessant mud-slinging is way over-the-top (for me, anyway).

You said something in another thread that I agree with 100%. The fact that you can’t get emotionally invested in the one and done’s. Me either, and that goes back to the Calipari days. It sucks. It’s not college basketball, and nothing personal against our guys but I’m glad it’s over. You also said you’re nauseated over players making $1m. Me too, and I’m not even against ALL players being modestly compensated over and above their scholarship. It’s just different today, and not in a good way.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

Hobbs was slow on NIL because his boss was not too keen on NIL, and flat out said, “we’re going to go slow on NIL” until we figure out what the landscape is going to be.

NIL was not in his contract, which is probably why he didn’t do much with it.

This is just a wildly insane statement. The entire ecosystem is changing around you, and you do little/nothing because it’s “not in his contract?” Good luck with that attitude in any career.