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So for the 3-3-5 to work, we have to have a powerful nose. Obviously right now we get no push without a stunt. So a huge NT seems like an easy answer, but I remember Damion Daniels or his brother Darrian being like 330, but we couldn't get s push with those guys either. So what's the answer in recruiting? These guys we have in the middle right now are not getting it done in the
3-3-5 alignment.
 
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So for the 3-3-5 to work, we have to have a powerful nose. Obviously right now we get no push without a stunt. So a huge NT seems like an easy answer, but I remember Damion Daniels or his brother Darrian being like 330, but we couldn't get s push with those guys either. So what's the answer in recruiting? These guys we have in the middle right now are not getting it done in the
3-3-5 alignment.
College football is so stupid that even though we are one of the worst teams in ypc in the straight run game, teams generally can't resist the temptation to waste downs throwing. Every team should have scorched us with power running and play-action passing but most teams can't do such a simple thing. And Michigan and Minnesota had big runs because of awful safety play, if we had good safeties we probably limit those teams as well. We are so susceptible to teams like Iowa who will stick with the power run game but everybody else with **** around and just throw into our nickel package, even Northwestern. Northwestern averaged almost 6 yards a carry from their back still threw multiple picks that cost them the game. So from that perspective, why change, our defense isn't much worse this year than last, despite having worse personnel, because the opponents still want to run a spread offense against the 3-3-5. The argument for the 3-3-5 is a well coached defensive back or linebacker has as much momentum moving forward into a gap than a big dlineman starting with his hand in the dirt. You get pushed back but as long as guys fill their gap with speed you can still make stops. To beat the 3-3-5 you have to be willing to have a qb throw 12 times a game and have to have multiple backs to carry the load. This isn't modern college football.
 

steinek11

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We are a very inconsistent team when it comes to tackling. I’m inclined to believe this is taught, but we are greatly lacking in accountability when it comes to execution. People would get frustrated at seeing Hartzog out there, but he was doing what he was coached to do, although not the most talented or one that passed the eye test. This has been going on for years.
 

Kakdawg

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I feel like with what players we can land, the 4-3 would work better, but whatever it is, we need a good front 7. And our safeties are very inconsistent and aren’t great at tackling
Especially Buford. Man I like the kid but the next time he tackles a RB in the hole will be the first time he tackles a RB in the hole. I was scared he start this year so I wanted him gone. They tried to hide him at safety but can't do that either. Rex is young and will make mistakes but at least he will improve.



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itseasyas1-2-3

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We are a very inconsistent team when it comes to tackling. I’m inclined to believe this is taught, but we are greatly lacking in accountability when it comes to execution. People would get frustrated at seeing Hartzog out there, but he was doing what he was coached to do, although not the most talented or one that passed the eye test. This has been going on for years.
NU is a typical football team that's not serious about winning. How many times have we seen a part-time player make a mistake and be taken off the field not to be seen again this week? All wanna be teams tend to discipline in unequal fashion. They let the starter(s) make mistake after mistake with no bench time. That's the fastest way to lose credibility among players.
 

itseasyas1-2-3

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Especially Buford. Man I like the kid but the next time he tackles a RB in the hole will be the first time he tackles a RB in the hole. I was scared he start this year so I wanted him gone. They tried to hide him at safety but can't do that either. Rex is young and will make mistakes but at least he will improve.



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That's the munchkin backed up by the walk-on theory that fits Rhule's playing day walk on mentality. Players with a "good story" have a leg up on these Nebraska teams.
 

Kakdawg

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That's the munchkin backed up by the walk-on theory that fits Rhule's playing day walk on mentality. Players with a "good story" have a leg up on these Nebraska teams.

Not gonna tell you it's just a Rhule thing. I think Nebraska coaches have done that **** for years. Dating all the way back to Bo maybe. The problem with it is "fans" are generally ok with it to because THEY live the story of the kid doing " all the right things".

In this case though it's not a walk on thing. Buford is a scholarship ship guy with tons of experience who if we are being honest has never been a really good football player( relative to top level BIG). So if im being honest im thrilled to see Guthrie ahead if him. I was thrilled to see Merritt actually start. Thrilled to see Donavon Jones and Mwnaweri starting. Imo we as fans always mistake experience for being a good thing when lots of times it's not. Year 5 or 6 guy starting who has never been "good" reactively speaking isn't a good thing. Play the yount uns it urs close





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itseasyas1-2-3

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Not gonna tell you it's just a Rhule thing. I think Nebraska coaches have done that **** for years. Dating all the way back to Bo maybe. The problem with it is "fans" are generally ok with it to because THEY live the story of the kid doing " all the right things".

In this case though it's not a walk on thing. Buford is a scholarship ship guy with tons of experience who if we are being honest has never been a really good football player( relative to top level BIG). So if im being honest im thrilled to see Guthrie ahead if him. I was thrilled to see Merritt actually start. Thrilled to see Donavon Jones and Mwnaweri starting. Imo we as fans always mistake experience for being a good thing when lots of times it's not. Year 5 or 6 guy starting who has never been "good" reactively speaking isn't a good thing. Play the yount uns it urs close





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I know Buford is a scholarship kid, the backup is the walkon Guthrie. Just didn't explain it very well.

I'm afraid if NU doesn't actual break through this year, with loads of NIL available out there and so many top teams that just need that one or two players to move their unit to elite level, young kids like Nwarmi and Merritt, maybe even a Shavers are gonna be real targets.

Another year or two and those 3 look to be real difference makers. That's why its so difficult to project NU forward, Matt brings in the brilliant young talent, keeping them is gonna become more and more difficult.
 
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dinglefritz

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I know Buford is a scholarship kid, the backup is the walkon Guthrie. Just didn't explain it very well.

I'm afraid if NU doesn't actual break through this year, with loads of NIL available out there and so many top teams that just need that one or two players to move their unit to elite level, young kids like Nwarmi and Merritt, maybe even a Shavers are gonna be real targets.

Another year or two and those 3 look to be real difference makers. That's why its so difficult to project NU forward, Matt brings in the brilliant young talent, keeping them is gonna become more and more difficult.
Isn’t Guthrie a scholarship guy?
 

king_kong__

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Especially Buford. Man I like the kid but the next time he tackles a RB in the hole will be the first time he tackles a RB in the hole. I was scared he start this year so I wanted him gone. They tried to hide him at safety but can't do that either. Rex is young and will make mistakes but at least he will improve.



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Buford - frost kid

can’t believe how many of these losers we still have here poisoning the well
 
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Kakdawg

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Buford - frost kid

can’t believe how many of these losers we still have here poisoning the well

Yeah...I understand they like him but how many times does it have to happen before it's not his fault anymore? To me we have already reached that point. It's on whoever puts him on the field now and not him. Like I said great kid but poor football player.



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Kakdawg

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I know Buford is a scholarship kid, the backup is the walkon Guthrie. Just didn't explain it very well.

I'm afraid if NU doesn't actual break through this year, with loads of NIL available out there and so many top teams that just need that one or two players to move their unit to elite level, young kids like Nwarmi and Merritt, maybe even a Shavers are gonna be real targets.

Another year or two and those 3 look to be real difference makers. That's why its so difficult to project NU forward, Matt brings in the brilliant young talent, keeping them is gonna become more and more difficult.

Guthrie is a scholarship kid out of Colorado and a great athlete to boot.



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itseasyas1-2-3

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Guthrie is a scholarship kid out of Colorado and a great athlete to boot.



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Okay, so I didn't waste my time researching Guthrie's scholarship status. My point was that Rhule will play that guy with a "story" even if someone else in the position is better. He is way too slow to replace a regular who keeps failing to get the job done.

Case in point Teddy. The kid is now heading off the field in street clothes and hopefully does the right thing and retires from the sport. He gave what he had, so he should be able to walk away with his head held high. Same thing with Corcoran, his reaction time could be timed with a sun dial.

At the end of the day, Rhule and Raiola took up valuable, valuable snaps with 2 frequently injured players who could just have well given younger, healthier kids those snaps in hopes they would continue to improve.

When we constantly have those often injured players and try to make a cohesive unit of the OLine, it is constantly in flux. If a kid isn't durable for the first couple years, they probably never will be. A team of 6'3" or 6'4" kids have a lot better chance of avoiding injury than those that are 6'6" and 6'10".

The highly successful coaches say, screw that good story kid, put the best kid out there. And it all translates into W's and L's.
 

itseasyas1-2-3

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Opposing teams are picking on Guthrie ruthlessly in the passing game
Jones got abused at MINN.

Steve Spurrier was outstanding in college, not so much in the pros. In college he was always able to identify that one DB that could be owned the entire game, then wore him out. Riley is the same way, when he sees on film who, if anybody, is the easy target on defense, we will see him go after the kid till the cows come home.

If the Huskers can't pressure Maieva, its gonna be a tough go.
 

Kakdawg

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Okay, so I didn't waste my time researching Guthrie's scholarship status. My point was that Rhule will play that guy with a "story" even if someone else in the position is better. He is way too slow to replace a regular who keeps failing to get the job done.

Case in point Teddy. The kid is now heading off the field in street clothes and hopefully does the right thing and retires from the sport. He gave what he had, so he should be able to walk away with his head held high. Same thing with Corcoran, his reaction time could be timed with a sun dial.

At the end of the day, Rhule and Raiola took up valuable, valuable snaps with 2 frequently injured players who could just have well given younger, healthier kids those snaps in hopes they would continue to improve.

When we constantly have those often injured players and try to make a cohesive unit of the OLine, it is constantly in flux. If a kid isn't durable for the first couple years, they probably never will be. A team of 6'3" or 6'4" kids have a lot better chance of avoiding injury than those that are 6'6" and 6'10".

The highly successful coaches say, screw that good story kid, put the best kid out there. And it all translates into W's and L's.

I don't disagree with your thoughts on guys like Corc and Teddy. At some point it's just passing in the wind. Why build an OL around players u pretty much know won't be there when it all done.

I can't Speak on your theory of 6'4 kids vs taller ones. I also can't speak on whether it would result into wins or not. But like u I knew we would only be so good playing those guys significant reps.


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king_kong__

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Ooh, I see what you did there. That’s gonna leave a mark.
HH is a sr and is gone next year

the others will still be allowing endless sacks on the OL and missing endless tackles on D while Rhule coddles them and their feelings
 

Kakdawg

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Jones got abused at MINN.

Steve Spurrier was outstanding in college, not so much in the pros. In college he was always able to identify that one DB that could be owned the entire game, then wore him out. Riley is the same way, when he sees on film who, if anybody, is the easy target on defense, we will see him go after the kid till the cows come home.

If the Huskers can't pressure Maieva, its gonna be a tough go.
Jones had a tough fame against Minnesota. He's a damn freshman what are u expecting? I'll take his entire body of work as rs frosh and be happy with it.

You guys want a kid to hit the field and immediately be an AA .

You having a problem with a RS frosh for one game. Kong talking about Guthrie another being picked on in a passing game that's top 10 in the country and 1 in the BIG. Both as frosh? I'm ok with them developing. It's the 4th and 5th year guys like those OL, Buford etc that should bother you.

You guys can't have ur cake and eat it too. Play the young guys u gotta deal with some of that.. Or keep trotting Teddy and Buford out there.

Jones didn't get us beat in Minnesota. That "veteran" OL had a lot to do with that more than him. Guthrie hasn't lost us a game yet. How did Buford do with run fits vs Michigan and Minnesota?


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Kakdawg

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Jones got abused at MINN.

Steve Spurrier was outstanding in college, not so much in the pros. In college he was always able to identify that one DB that could be owned the entire game, then wore him out. Riley is the same way, when he sees on film who, if anybody, is the easy target on defense, we will see him go after the kid till the cows come home.

If the Huskers can't pressure Maieva, its gonna be a tough go.
If we can't pressure any QB it's gonna be a problem. But agree SC has some different level athletes.


Can't give SC both or it will get ugly. We gotta make em throw it and stop the run. If they have a two way go their athletes are too hard to stop.


Fwiw I love what I've seen from Jones. Probably the most physical CB I've seen since our glory days. He's tough and young. I think he will get better. I also think he's playing just fine now. Even though he did struggle against Minnesota.



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itseasyas1-2-3

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Jones had a tough fame against Minnesota. He's a damn freshman what are u expecting? I'll take his entire body of work as rs frosh and be happy with it.

You guys want a kid to hit the field and immediately be an AA .

You having a problem with a RS frosh for one game. Kong talking about Guthrie another being picked on in a passing game that's top 10 in the country and 1 in the BIG. Both as frosh? I'm ok with them developing. It's the 4th and 5th year guys like those OL, Buford etc that should bother you.

You guys can't have ur cake and eat it too. Play the young guys u gotta deal with some of that.. Or keep trotting Teddy and Buford out there.

Jones didn't get us beat in Minnesota. That "veteran" OL had a lot to do with that more than him. Guthrie hasn't lost us a game yet. How did Buford do with run fits vs Michigan and Minnesota?


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First of all, get off your high horse. I never said anything good about the OL. Or Buford. Okay?
Let's just close our eyes to the fact that both Jones and Guthrie got abused the last two games and that will make it not true. The whole team contributed to that Minnesota fiasco.

Do you really think Minnesota and NW throw the ball like USC? You're not even arguing against what I said.
 

dinglefritz

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First of all, get off your high horse. I never said anything good about the OL. Or Buford. Okay?
Let's just close our eyes to the fact that both Jones and Guthrie got abused the last two games and that will make it not true. The whole team contributed to that Minnesota fiasco.

Do you really think Minnesota and NW throw the ball like USC? You're not even arguing against what I said.
A redshirt freshman and true freshman probably have room for improvement. How quickly we forget Texas looping that pass over Ralph Brown’s head in the Big 12 championship game….and I think Ralph was a senior. Somebody correct me if it wasn’t Ralph. Might be why he’s missing.
 
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A redshirt freshman and true freshman probably have room for improvement. How quickly we forget Texas looping that pass over Ralph Brown’s head in the Big 12 championship game….and I think Ralph was a senior. Somebody correct me if it wasn’t Ralph. Might be why he’s missing.
Guthrie and Jones' emergence has set the DB room up nice for next year. Looks like Hartzog will be around for another year, plus Marshall and Conn. Add Guthrie and Jones and that could be a the starting lineup. Could the Guthrie kid play Rover?
 
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oldjar07

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I'll take whatever u think Guthrie is giving up I. The pass game vs what I know I've seen Buford give up in the run game.


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I think Guthrie is maybe serviceable this year, but don't know what else we have there at this point. He's not been great, but he's young and has room to improve.
 

HUSKERFAN66

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If I'm spending nil, I'm opening up the check book to get a left tackle and ng as top priority and will cost about the same. Then another DE. Move or LT to right side if he's still here next year
 

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I will admit my knowledge of the intricacies of defensive scheme are limited. However, it would appear in order to successfully run a 3-3-5 you need a sturdy nose tackle, which this year it does not appear we do. Would our defense be better served this year in a 4-3 with Nwaneri-Jeudy-Van Poppel-Davis(or Lenhardt) across the front, Shavers-Wright-McCullough at the second level, and Wright-Singleton-Jones-Marshall in the secondary?

Neither Jeudy or Van Poppel appears to be able to control the middle alone, but I would think they could make a formidable pair on the inside that would free up a pretty athletic group of ends and line backers.
 
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So for the 3-3-5 to work, we have to have a powerful nose. Obviously right now we get no push without a stunt. So a huge NT seems like an easy answer, but I remember Damion Daniels or his brother Darrian being like 330, but we couldn't get s push with those guys either. So what's the answer in recruiting? These guys we have in the middle right now are not getting it done in the
3-3-5 alignment.
We have him already... Terry is going to be a good one, but he can't do wrestling like Nash even though he could be a Top 10 heavyweight. Just needs to be 300+ for NT, and dropping to 285 for Wrestling would not work IMO
 

Kakdawg

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First of all, get off your high horse. I never said anything good about the OL. Or Buford. Okay?
Let's just close our eyes to the fact that both Jones and Guthrie got abused the last two games and that will make it not true. The whole team contributed to that Minnesota fiasco.

Do you really think Minnesota and NW throw the ball like USC? You're not even arguing against what I said.
High horse? šŸ˜‚ That's funny. My point is that you are talking about two rs frosh having a bad game each. How they do in the other 7 or so? Is that really what we are bitching about as fans? I hope any player we play has that ratio over bad play vs giid or OK play. Let alone two damn freshmen.

Guys who are there because they beat out older guys who werent getting the job done. Maybe it's me but I'm not gonna be too down on those guys when there are plenty others with much more experience and playing time who have performed much worse during the year.

That's what happens when u live game to game. You miss out on the big picture. Relax and let it all play out before you try and bench the "walk on" and the other frosh fir bad play.



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Kakdawg

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A redshirt freshman and true freshman probably have room for improvement. How quickly we forget Texas looping that pass over Ralph Brown’s head in the Big 12 championship game….and I think Ralph was a senior. Somebody correct me if it wasn’t Ralph. Might be why he’s missing.

I'm I'm not mistaken Ralph and Mike were bith frosh in 96. Plus these dudes both ended up as all Americans. But somehow Guthrie or Jones aren't allowed to have a bad game or so. It's comical honestly. It's ok to be down on a kid when they start showing repeatedly that they aren't very good (see Buford, see Teddy). But when u play frosh you expect to have some growing pains.. At least anyone who understands the game does. It's just a bir weird to me.



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itseasyas1-2-3

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High horse? šŸ˜‚ That's funny. My point is that you are talking about two rs frosh having a bad game each. How they do in the other 7 or so? Is that really what we are bitching about as fans? I hope any player we play has that ratio over bad play vs giid or OK play. Let alone two damn freshmen.

Guys who are there because they beat out older guys who werent getting the job done. Maybe it's me but I'm not gonna be too down on those guys when there are plenty others with much more experience and playing time who have performed much worse during the year.

That's what happens when u live game to game. You miss out on the big picture. Relax and let it all play out before you try and bench the "walk on" and the other frosh fir bad play.



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Yes your high horse. BTW, this is Breeders Cup week so I'm prone to mix in some horse verbiage along the way. LOL

Far as I'm concerned, I just want whoever is the most effective at a given position, we just happen to suck with Buford and Hartzog, and the young guys are gonna get picked on just like Hartzog was.

I chill every week, trust me, its just a stupid football game with a football team that has yet to play for anything that even matters. I used to get all pissed off at a loss and then I became an adult and grew up.

Other than Singleton, Ceyair, Wright, Rocco and EJ, the only ones on this team making any noise are either SO or R/FR or FR. There's a strong nucleus of young kids to build around, the problem in this NIL age is keeping them.
 

itseasyas1-2-3

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I'm I'm not mistaken Ralph and Mike were bith frosh in 96. Plus these dudes both ended up as all Americans. But somehow Guthrie or Jones aren't allowed to have a bad game or so. It's comical honestly. It's ok to be down on a kid when they start showing repeatedly that they aren't very good (see Buford, see Teddy). But when u play frosh you expect to have some growing pains.. At least anyone who understands the game does. It's just a bir weird to me.



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When Ralph was a freshman, he was burn baby burn, but he wasn't exactly getting torched by the MINN and NW's of the football world. We should hope Jones and Guthrie ever breath the same air as Mike and Brown by the time they are upperclassmen.
 

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I thought it was the best he has looked all year. THATS what I was expecting to see from him this year. If we get THAT RvP it will help us. Loved what I saw from 93 also. That kid may be my favorite DL. Even 39 looked ok. We need these guys developing and playing.


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He wasn't good. NWU's long run was on his side, he constantly lets himself get caught in the wash sliding exactly where the OL wants him to go, and he gets pushed back more than any DL on the roster. And he missed the fumble recovery that was right in his hands. Pretty much everything a DL should be coached not to do.
 
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