Did Ware look good to anyone else?

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We have very little time to figure out the 5 spot with an insanely tough stretch in November / early December. I hope Ware gets decent minutes during the next few cupcakes to help get ready for the gauntlet.
 
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RUChet

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Guarantee Dortch and Ware get more PT than Fall. There is a reason he didn’t play at 2 schools. He looked lost.

Ware looked fine fine for game 1 Pike won’t play him if he doesn’t have the D system down.
 

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Think it was mentioned that if Fall wasn't trusted by staff to stay on court for more than couple minutes; and they went with Buchanan & Dortch for a stretch to play at 4 & 5 (think Buchanan was playing 5) - than Ware may be pressed into more playing time. So will be interested in the next OOC games how much time he receives.
 

richthedentist

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Think it was mentioned that if Fall wasn't trusted by staff to stay on court for more than couple minutes; and they went with Buchanan & Dortch for a stretch to play at 4 & 5 (think Buchanan was playing 5) - than Ware may be pressed into more playing time. So will be interested in the next OOC games how much time he receives.
We can't rebound with that team that was part of the 21 offensive rebounds for Rider
 

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Ware came out looking confident and ready to play. He mostly played when the game was over but he looked better than I expected. Playing center against Rider is very different from playing center against Big Ten teams.
 

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I mean, he did some okay things but hes also part of the reason we gave up so many offensive rebounds at the end, really poor standing jump. He does have some talent on O and moves okay though. But I just have a hard time seeing him being able to perform the way we ultimately want to on the defensive end.
 

RRRRUUUU

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Think it was mentioned that if Fall wasn't trusted by staff to stay on court for more than couple minutes; and they went with Buchanan & Dortch for a stretch to play at 4 & 5 (think Buchanan was playing 5) - than Ware may be pressed into more playing time. So will be interested in the next OOC games how much time he receives.
Why not trusted?
 

PSAL_Hoops

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Why not trusted?

He was really bad. That was my only negative take away from the game. Fall did not look like he’s going to be playable in his 4 minutes of action. It was only one game, of course, but he looked completely lost.

On the other hand, Ogbole looked fine provided offense is coming from other sources (which of course is a big question mark against better competition), but vs a midmajor opponent Ogbole was servicable enough not to hurt us. He also avoided foul trouble, which was a good sign (again, only one game). The offensive rebounds given up when he was in the game don’t tell the whole story. Pike was experimenting with using his Big for perimeter traps. Rider got a ton of second chances off of bad forced shots in that situation. Hopefully Pike has some film on that to work on which was the likely goal. But regardless, Big O isn’t facing the basket in those schemes and he’s all the way out on the perimeter. Those aren’t going to be his responsibility.
 

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He was really bad. That was my only negative take away from the game. Fall did not look like he’s going to be playable in his 4 minutes of action. It was only one game, of course, but he looked completely lost.

On the other hand, Ogbole looked fine provided offense is coming from other sources (which of course is a big question mark against better competition), but vs a midmajor opponent Ogbole was servicable enough not to hurt us. He also avoided foul trouble, which was a good sign (again, only one game). The offensive rebounds given up when he was in the game don’t tell the whole story. Pike was experimenting with using his Big for perimeter traps. Rider got a ton of second chances off of bad forced shots in that situation. Hopefully Pike has some film on that to work on which was the likely goal. But regardless, Big O isn’t facing the basket in those schemes and he’s all the way out on the perimeter. Those aren’t going to be his responsibility.
I don’t think that was an experiment with the big man traps. He’s been doing that for years. It probably does weaken our rebounding a bit.
 

richthedentist

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He was really bad. That was my only negative take away from the game. Fall did not look like he’s going to be playable in his 4 minutes of action. It was only one game, of course, but he looked completely lost.

On the other hand, Ogbole looked fine provided offense is coming from other sources (which of course is a big question mark against better competition), but vs a midmajor opponent Ogbole was servicable enough not to hurt us. He also avoided foul trouble, which was a good sign (again, only one game). The offensive rebounds given up when he was in the game don’t tell the whole story. Pike was experimenting with using his Big for perimeter traps. Rider got a ton of second chances off of bad forced shots in that situation. Hopefully Pike has some film on that to work on which was the likely goal. But regardless, Big O isn’t facing the basket in those schemes and he’s all the way out on the perimeter. Those aren’t going to be his responsibility.
The only thing I didn't like about Ogbole, forget the offense, is I think we will still get exposed on the pick and roll especially in the BIG
 

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What a shame about Fall, I’d think the way market was Fall probably cost us a majority of our NIL. We really needed to hire a GM who will challenge Pike on his talent eval and where we’re spending limited resources, I fear this GM will just be a yes man.
 
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PSAL_Hoops

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I don’t think that was an experiment with the big man traps. He’s been doing that for years. It probably does weaken our rebounding a bit.
Let me clarify. By experiment I did not mean try out a brand new scheme. I meant experiment a scheme we’ve used in the past with our new personnel.

Regardless, the point is it doesn’t matter who the Big is when that scheme is run. cliff and MJ were not clearing the defensive glass off of that scheme either. The role of the Big in that scheme is to trap on the perimeter. It’s the responsibility of the wings / forwards to close out and crash the glass.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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The only thing I didn't like about Ogbole, forget the offense, is I think we will still get exposed on the pick and roll especially in the BIG
Maybe - but we weren’t really running D to prevent it in that game either. Not a whole lot to take away really from the first game on that.
 

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What a shame about Fall, I’d think the way market was Fall probably cost us a majority of our NIL. We really needed to hire a GM who will challenge Pike on his talent eval and where we’re spending limited resources, I fear this GM will just be a yes man.
Yea...
 

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He looks really nimble for a giant strong 5
He's a bit on the shorter side unfortunately, similar build to Lathan Sommerville last year and needs to get in better shape. As for his game? He needs to work a ton of the offensive side of the ball and his defense is meh, lack of height will hurt him against bigger centers. He's a work in progress.
 

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What a shame about Fall, I’d think the way market was Fall probably cost us a majority of our NIL. We really needed to hire a GM who will challenge Pike on his talent eval and where we’re spending limited resources, I fear this GM will just be a yes man.
Just to clarify, the GM they hired isn't there for talent evaluations. He's there to handle contracts, and help raise more money.
 
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Just to clarify, the GM they hired isn't there for talent evaluations. He's there to handle contracts, and help raise more money.
Richie correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that the role of GM at most schools. I can’t imagine many coaches deferring talent evaluation and player selection
 

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What a shame about Fall, I’d think the way market was Fall probably cost us a majority of our NIL. We really needed to hire a GM who will challenge Pike on his talent eval and where we’re spending limited resources, I fear this GM will just be a yes man.
1) we had a very small NIL by major conference standards but we’re beating a dead horse with that

2) the market for centers is enormously skewed and getting any center who was actually productive would’ve probably cost more than our entire NIL

3) when fall was signed most agreed that was the best we could do based on finances and the market

I can’t blame Steve for finding the best center he could with food stamps to spend