Should we really be modeling our future immigration policies after a program named "Operation Wetback"? Shouldn't we as an evolving, moral country be a light to others rather than digressing and re-adopting harmful, degrading policies?
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I think you have captured the problem with different vernacular.
Allow me to offer that most of us want our borders to be honored and enforced. The US has been the most moral country ever, considering the cash gifts we offer to most countries of the nation annually. We have a legal entry system, and would like our border laws to be observed. Just obey the f'n laws.
I agree that immigration reform is in need; however the systematic removal of immigrants and their families (whether illegal or whether they are US citizens) is not exactly moral progress. It would be illegal now on many fronts as well. If one can argue that a college president who quit had his due process rights violated, can one make the argument that these folks don't deserve due process?
Maybe you should address your concerns to the current POTUS.
"President Obama is going to leave the White House having deported more immigrants than any other president in history — at least 2 million deportations to date. And, not surprisingly, many Latinos and immigrant-rights advocates who supported him are angry about it."
Operation wetback was a mass round up and exile; the President's deportations were done through existing immigration laws and due process. I'm sure the President would appreciate your support; you should continue to post this stat.
Who is advocating re-implementing Operation wetback? I simply showed you a fact and somehow you are calling it support. Where did I say I supported Obama's deportations?
Donald Trump said it last night in the debate. I understand you were not attempting to support the President.
Wouldn't a person who wants our immigration laws uphelp; thus have to support the President's immigration stance since he is going to leave the office having lawfully deported more illegal immigrants than any other President?
It is jaw dropping for me. I heard Trump want to take the country backwards 60 years in terms of this and Carson wanting to take tax policy to pre-1913. These lunatics and party have no clue about the US in 2015. How anyone can support this nonsense is beyond me.
Donald Trump said he wanted to re-implement Operation wetback? Show me the quote. If you are correct I will give you an apology. I also did not show any support for anyone's position on immigration. But I will now state that I don't see how Trump could possibly deport the numbers he mentioned. I did hear him mention what Ike had done, but I must have missed the part where he said he wanted to re-implement Operation wetback.
Last night he touted modeling his immigration plan after the Eisenhower plan officially named "Operation Wetback" where there were mass deportation of illegal immigrants and their families in the 50s. There's no need for any apologies, my friend; we're all good Mountaineers here trying to make this world a little better. It's good to voice and contemplate differing opinions.
As per established law, both citizens and non-citizens have a right to due process here in the U.S.
Not to these people that are disputing otherwise. They claim they support the constitution but as soon as they open their mouths, contradictions come flying out.
I did hear him mention Ike had deported illegals. As I mentioned above, I don't see how he could ever deport 11 million. I take most of his rhetoric as I do with all politicians with a healthy dose of salt. Who was it that promised us, "you can keep your current insurance plan if you want" ?
I do not deny that illegals have a right to due process while in country, but I defy you, or your support team, to show me where the Constitution, as amended, provides for any protection against deportation of illegal aliens in the US. This should not take long to respond to.
I agree that non citizens can be deported; not by mass round up without due process--that's been my point throughout this thread, the Trump plan circumvented due process
Do you want to offer a contradiction, because I do support the constitution. I do not support it being a living document that can be changed helter-skelter . I think it requires 3/4 of states to agree to a change, so sayeth Article. V.
Is there a Trump plan? I've yet to hear one. All I hear is "I will send 11 million out of here and they must re-enter legally" What the hell is that? I'll answer. A bunch of baseless words that mouthbreathers love and will defend it under all circumstances. You see it here daily.
Just keep your eyes open and you will see it. Just two weeks ago, a like-thinker of yours was saying on this board illegal aliens did not have the right to due process and gave the example of if caught back in this country, jail them for one day and then ship them back to their home country if arrested for a crime. That is contradictory to the Constitution.
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As I said, they have constitutional protection of life, liberty and pursuit. They are entitled to due process. But, there is nothing that protects them from deportation if they are illegal in entry or they have overstayed visa. At this time there is no protections against illegal residency. If that ever comes to pass, we might as well hang a welcome sign.
I haven't seen the Trump plan spelled out with detail of process. To corral 10-12 million in one swoop is not a possibility. Therefore, I assumed there would be an order to be on the lookout and process them as caught. Manpower is not available to do what you are suggesting, but added assets can certainly put a dent into the classification. I would suspect some kind of waiver to be offered for self surrender.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ions-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/
438,000 deportations in 2013.
Currently, if you are in this country illegally, there is a risk of deportation. Is it enough? No, in my viewpoint.
438,000 deportations in 2013.
Currently, if you are in this country illegally, there is a risk of deportation. Is it enough? No, in my viewpoint.
You care to suggest where any part of my statement is 100% false? Don't tell me I am wrong without telling me where so I have the opportunity to learn something from what you are stating - rather strongly.
The illegal immigrant debate in this country is not one of creating a law and "walls" because there are not any. It is a "reform" as the system is not fulfilling the needs of the country presently. The GOP have attempted to fool the public that there is lawlessness in this country as it pertains to the southern border and once illegals are in this country, they have a free ride on the backs of taxpayers. Not true. It is easy to educate oneself on the truth instead of listening to a bunch of right-wing rhetoric.
I think your source has already been debunked. The Obama reporting is including those turned back at the border as part of those deported. Of course that misleads the users of the report and does inflate the report when compared to historic reporting. Sorry, but you are attempting to mislead us with your figures.
LOL. I give up. Regardless of anything, people on the right will deny everything. It is all one big conspiracy.
You are right.
Thanks for the information, but I do believe the added cost of those open borders in the Southwest have been substantiated year ago. They have historically added costs to govts of Cal and put them in financial ruin. Arizona and Texas have also felt the added costs associated with the influx of illegals. There are protections against the open borders, and you call it "reform"?
What is the interpretation of "a reform as the system is not fulfilling the needs of the county presently"? There is constitutional change that allows that flexibility?
Thanks for acknowledging that you were just attempting to hoodwink those folks on the right. Of course, it was easily uncovered. You were confusing your dreams with actuality.
And, your viewpoint is supposed to carry some weight in the legal system? We are told that we are a nation of laws. Viewpoints are like Aholes - everybody has one. Everyone has the 1st right to speak, but that does not carry the same weight as the written law.
You are not going to admit that you are the other person who believes in Hillary's "Vast rightwing conspiracy" are you?
your last two posts......I have no clue what you are talking about.
I admitted that you are right and the government does nothing but lie and one can not believe anything. I thought that would make you happy.
I'm done.
Bru I don't know what backwater utopia you live in, but illegals cost Texas 10's of millions of dollars in health care dollars. I recently went to an emergency and it was full of illegals.
In the past several years they have committed 600,000 felonies in Texas. That would be your brainless, libtard Democrat vision of the future.
In the past several years they have committed 600,000 felonies in Texas. That would be your brainless, libtard Democrat vision of the future.
I'm not denying there is a problem in the country. Not the point of any of my comments.
There are people that are denying facts. It isn't me though. Read a little closer.
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BRU, thanks for pointing out to easy91 that you heard the same thing from Trump that I did. I also have never heard of any plan he had. One more thing....What the hell is a "mouthbreather"?