Dak should have signed that contract

[Grove Sh*tter]

Dak will make more for waiting. Book it

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

That first pick, definitely hit Cooper in the hands, then popped over to the defender.

 

[Cooterpoot]

The first int should at least be split blame. It spun cooper to try and catch it when he was wide open. Cooper still should've caught it, but it was a bad throw

BS, Cooper is about to be one of the highest paid WRs in the NFL. It hit him in the hands, that’s his job.

 

[She Mate Me]

And two of those picks weren’t on him. Cooper let a TD go off his hands and Gallup got mugged on the other. Dak had to throw off his back foot all day because of that trash *** OL.

Let's at least give an honest assessment. The Cooper int was behind him. A better throw and it's an easy TD. I place equal blame on Dak and Coop there.

Gallup definitely should have been PI, but a 4th interception (by Will Redmond) in the endzone came off the board with a GB penalty.

It wasn't a solid game for Dak. Just calling it honestly.

 

[SirBarksalot]

I’ve never heard him say how great he is, but I’ve also never seen anyone who was great at anything that didn’t think they were. So there’s that.

I think Rodgers is universally regarded as a dick.
He and Danica Patrick seem like a match made in heaven....or hell.

 

[was21]

Sarah Thomas from Pascagoula.

 

[msstate7]

Let's at least give an honest assessment. The Cooper int was behind him. A better throw and it's an easy TD. I place equal blame on Dak and Coop there.

Gallup definitely should have been PI, but a 4th interception (by Will Redmond) in the endzone came off the board with a GB penalty.

It wasn't a solid game for Dak. Just calling it honestly.

90% of state fans won't lay any blame on dak.

 

[o_dawgnabit]

If you go 27-44 for 463 yards and 2 TD’s in a “bad game”, that probably says a lot about you as a Quarterback....

The one int was bad. The other hit his receiver in the hands and the other should’ve been called pass interference.

He did look off today but he gets treated so differently than every QB in the league because of the team he plays for

 

[blacklistedbully]

I don’t understand why pro coaches don’t kick it around the 30 if they’re down 10. Especially north of the 2 minute warning.

Because you don't give up on a drive that could net you 4 extra points and put you in a position of needing to get just a FG, if down 7. I would imagine, until you get to 4th down, your odds of getting 10 points on the last 2 drives of a game increase by going for 7 on the first score.

 

[8dog]

But by kicking a fg after the 2 minute warning they HAD to have the onsides kick- the odds of recovering are incredibly low. I think all the value was in kicking the fg earlier. And that played out because they had to kick a fg anyway

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Cowboys have lost both starting OT’s.... that’s tough...

 

[msstate7]

Dak didn't throw for 1 yard on 3rd down yesterday? Wow, that's an ugly stat if true

https://dailysnark.com/dak-prescott...ssing-yard-on-third-down-against-the-packers/

 

[Dawg1976]

Yep. That's what the talking heads were stating this morning. And his record is something like 5-9 against playoff teams.

 

[Seinfeld]

And yet... we wake up this morning and he still has the highest total QBR in the NFL along with the 4th highest passer rating.

I’m not going to pretend that he had a great game yesterday because he didn’t, but I bet it’d surprise some folks to find out that he ended the game with essentially the exact same passer rating as Rodgers. I’m also not sure as to why it’s shocking people that Dak didn’t have his best games against two pretty feisty defenses. Any guesses as to who else had off nights against those same two teams? Our boy Zeke.

At the end of the day, people can spend as much time as they want finding weaknesses, but the numbers are what they are. Jerry can pay him or he’s more than welcome to roll the dice with Cooper Rush. Best of luck with the latter option

 

[8dog]

He only threw twice on third down. He got sacked or scrambled for yards the other times

it wasnt a great day but that stat is pretty misleading.

 

[Yakcr1983]

I would like to see where he is in relation to the rest of the NFL qb's after Sundays game. I bet he's still not looking bad?

 

[msstate7]

I would like to see where he is in relation to the rest of the NFL qb's after Sundays game. I bet he's still not looking bad?

#5 in passer rating
#1 in qbr

 

[msstate7]

And yet... we wake up this morning and he still has the highest total QBR in the NFL along with the 4th highest passer rating.

I’m not going to pretend that he had a great game yesterday because he didn’t, but I bet it’d surprise some folks to find out that he ended the game with essentially the exact same passer rating as Rodgers. I’m also not sure as to why it’s shocking people that Dak didn’t have his best games against two pretty feisty defenses. Any guesses as to who else had off nights against those same two teams? Our boy Zeke.

At the end of the day, people can spend as much time as they want finding weaknesses, but the numbers are what they are. Jerry can pay him or he’s more than welcome to roll the dice with Cooper Rush. Best of luck with the latter option

Same rating as Rodgers yesterday isn't a good thing. Both were mid- to low-80s, which is pretty horrible these days. If you have an 85 passer rating for the whole year so far, that would land you 26th in the nfl. Fortunately for dak, he's way over that for the year, 106.0.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Voluntarily giving up the chance at 4 more points prior to 4th down is never going to be the percentage play in that scenario. You have to look at it as needing 10 points in 2 drives, never, "how can I get within 7 points with time for one extra play than I would otherwise have". Especially because getting the 7 points first opens up the playbook for you offensively much more on a potential 2nd drive because the defense has to play to keep you out of FG range...not just keeping you from scoring a TD.

Think of it this way - if you are the one behind and have the ball, would you rather be down by 3 with time for 4-5 plays needing just a FG, or would you rather be down 7 with time for 5-6 plays? I think we can safely say it is just one extra play, unless you are talking about kicking a FG on 1st or 2nd down...and that would be a really poor decision.

 

[Puppychow]

The pass hit him on his left shoulder with plenty of time to adjust. It wasn’t a five yard pass. He had time to square it up.. No way that’s considered behind him and difficult to catch. It was a great throw.

That’s a routine catch in Junior High.

 

[8dog]

But you are ignoring that his decision meant they HAD to have the onsides kick, an incredibly small chance of happening.

Kick a fg and you can onsides kick. If you dont get it you can still get the ball back. Garrett bet on scoring a TD AND a must-have onsides kick. An almost improbable outcome.

 

[Nunya.sixpack]

what exactly is it with msu fans and openly rooting for total and utter failure of dak?

 

[Shamoan]

if Troy Aikman says the receiver should catch that 100% of the time, its 100% on Cooper. He is overly critical with dak trying to show some fatherly impartiality, but that is 100% on cooper. the second one is not debatable because it was a great play on the ball by the db and a bad decision, but the third was a poor decision but the receiver was getting mugged...you cant rely on the ref to make a PI call these days, so that is on dak as well if for nothing more than a poor decision when he wasnt sure where the wr was going to break.

 

[patdog]

Don't bring facts into this conversation.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

His stock is falling rapidly.
Hopefully I can reverse jinx....

Dak has 50 games under his belt which is a large enough sample size to negotiate a deal. It doesn’t ebb and flow from week to week.

 

[blacklistedbully]

But you are ignoring that his decision meant they HAD to have the onsides kick, an incredibly small chance of happening.

Kick a fg and you can onsides kick. If you dont get it you can still get the ball back. Garrett bet on scoring a TD AND a must-have onsides kick. An almost improbable outcome.

Not ignoring that at all. They were going to need to onside in any case. Let's say they kick the FG on a 1st or 2nd down to save time. They aren't going to save enough time to kick away to GB anyway, but let's say they did, and somehow GB did not run out the clock. If GB did punt, Dallas would then have to drive the field and get a TD with virtually no time on the clock ad no time outs.

There is absolutely no mathematical equation you can come up with that makes kicking the FG before you get to 4th down on the first drive a good idea. The only time you kick a FG is when you get to 4th down...period.

 

[Seinfeld]

Oh, I agree. My point was more about the fact that the alleged stinker that Dak had against a solid NFL defense was just as good as the game that a media QB god had against another solid NFL defense

In other words, rather than immediately jumping to the conclusion that Dak is filled with flaws, is it possible that QBs simply tend to not play as well against a feisty defense?

Maybe a lot of this is just the price you pay when you’re the face of a franchise like Dallas, but I find it interesting that I haven’t read a word anywhere about the two subpar games that Zeke has had during the same timeframe. He was downright awful against NO, but those are just cases where “his line has to block better” according to the experts. I’ll never understand why Dak doesn’t get that same benefit of the doubt

 

[8dog]

They would have had about 1:15 to score a TD had they not gotten the onsides. Plus if you recover the onsides after the fg you have 2:35 to score and a time out and two minute warning

But again i point out that they ended up kicking a fg anyway. So in what is admittedly an insignificant sample size, i am correct in that they sjoild have kicked it with 2:40 left

none of the probabilities are great but banking on a td AND onsides is the worst

 

[Cooterpoot]

if Troy Aikman says the receiver should catch that 100% of the time, its 100% on Cooper. He is overly critical with dak trying to show some fatherly impartiality, but that is 100% on cooper. the second one is not debatable because it was a great play on the ball by the db and a bad decision, but the third was a poor decision but the receiver was getting mugged...you cant rely on the ref to make a PI call these days, so that is on dak as well if for nothing more than a poor decision when he wasnt sure where the wr was going to break.

That last pick he threw where the WR was supposed to be. The DB, with PI, turned the WR the other way. That’s on the officials and the WR.

 

[blacklistedbully]

They would have had about 1:15 to score a TD had they not gotten the onsides. Plus if you recover the onsides after the fg you have 2:35 to score and a time out and two minute warning

But again i point out that they ended up kicking a fg anyway. So in what is admittedly an insignificant sample size, i am correct in that they sjoild have kicked it with 2:40 left

none of the probabilities are great but banking on a td AND onsides is the worst

You are 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt incorrect. This is not a simple matter of opinion. When you are still on that first drive, down 10, you simply do not end a drive prematurely by kicking the FG on anything less than 4th down. You take your shots, knowing you have a shot at the TD you must have.

First, you don't know ahead of time if on that first drive going from 1st down at the GB 25 is going to take 6 seconds, 15 seconds, 30 seconds, etc., to get the TD. What you do know is kicking the FG early is then going to leave you in the position of having to get the TD the next time. It means you're gonna have to get that extra 40+ yards on the drive where the defense knows you have to get the TD. That makes it easier for the defense and harder on your offense.

You have a kicker who has a career long of 62 yards, so that means you can reasonably give it a shot from the GB 44. So, if you get the TD first, you then only need to get to the GB 44 to have a decent chance to tie. GB knows this, too, so their defense has more pressure. They don't want to lose the game on a big pass play, but they also can't be too conservative or they'll make giving up the FG too easy.

Dallas had the ball with a 1st down on the GB 15 with 2:06 left. Since you don't get to use hindsight in an analysis on what was the right decision at the time, you reasonably assume you have a pretty decent chance to get that TD with very close to 2:00 minutes left and 1 timeout in your back pocket. Your thinking is, if you get the TD you can either:

A) Kickoff deep to GB, putting them at their 25 with about 2 minutes left. GB is most likely to run the ball to run clock and make Dallas use that last time out. If Dallas stuffs the run on first down, GB snaps on 2nd down with about 1:15 left. GB snaps on 3rd down with about 30 seconds left. Dallas calls timeout. Assuming Dallas defense has held GB to 4th down, GB punts to Dallas from inside their 45. Now you have a shot at a long punt return to get you in FG position, or even for a win. But lets say GB is smart and punts it so they are more likely to have a net 40 or so yard gain on a fair catch. That puts Dallas around their 15 or 20 with 30 seconds left, needing to get just 35-to-40 yards to be in position for a FG attempt to tie.

B) Onside kick. If GB recovers (extremely likely), they have it at the Dallas 35, already in their kicker's range. If Dallas stuffs GB on first 3 plays, GB probably gets 3 points for a 6 point lead, but Dallas still gets the ball back with about 30 seconds left, needing a TD. Chances are slim, but it is still a game.

Now let's look at your scenario. Kick the FG as soon as you are in range, which in this case would have been with 2:45 left. You are down 7. Now you can either:

A) Kickoff deep to GB. With 2:45 left it is hard for Dallas defense to stack the box to stuff the run because there's a much better chance GB will still pass. But even if GB does elect to just run the clock and as before Dallas stuffs it, GB snaps on first down and gets it to about 2:40 or so. Dallas calls last time out. GB snaps 2nd down at 2:40 and takes the clock down to the 2-minute warning. Snap on 3rd down takes it down to about 1:15 by the time they punt on 4th. Compared to option A above, you have 45 additional seconds, but must have the TD, so now you have to go 80-85 yards to tie... and it must be a TD. That's an additional 40-45 yards Dallas would have to get with those extra 45 seconds, and with no timeouts. GB is not going to give up a big pass play, and is going to try to make sideline catches much more difficult. They are not going to care if you run it, so will be able to rush 3 if they want and drop into coverage, knowing Dallas has to pass.

B) Onside kick with GB almost assuredly recovering. Again, already inside the Dallas 35. If they don't get a single yard, they have a kicker who set the NFL record for longest field goal. With 1:15 left GB kicks a FG to go back up 10. Game effectively over.

Truly, I don't understand why you are struggling with this. If a coach did what you suggested, I believe they'd be ridiculed for it the rest of their careers.