Coaching Staff Ignorance

[BertleTheTurtle]

At some point, our coaching staff (specifically the guy making $4 million+) needs to start playing our best playmakers. I get it, our young freshman are raw and will make mistakes. But it’s apparent that our older guys at key positions are raw and still need development as well. Shumpert just isn’t an SEC caliber running back. He runs like a john deere tractor towing an 18 wheeler. Williams and Lee are young, but these kids know how to run the football and attack the hole. I’ve heard people say, “yeah, but maybe they aren’t as good as Shump in pass protection.” Big 17ing deal. They can’t possibly be as bad at pass protection as Shump is at actually running. I’ll take my chances. Donald Gray needs to be starting. Really don’t care whose position he takes, his hands are incredible and Ross/Brown are inconsistent at best. And for the love of sweet baby Jesus, get Rufus Warren out of the line-up. Let Jenkins take over and learn. “Yeah but Jenkins might get Dak hurt,”….right, cause Rufus hasn’t been the guy beat on every 17ing passing down. On the defensive side, McLaurin and Peters need to be on the field. I can’t figure out why Coman plays over them. Perhaps our coaching staff likes players who are 4 steps away from the play…..every play.

It became very apparent during the Ole Miss vs Alabama game that Freeze’s philosophy of allowing his young talented playmakers to get on the field as freshman, and grow up during the game, is paying dividends. Did their young guys make mistakes as young players? Absolutely. But they were able to learn and develop between the sidelines, under the bright lights. Sure, our guys are 3 years into the program and more developed when they step onto the field, but they are scared shitless when it comes to the big game environment.

Matt Wyatt alluded to this yesterday on the Sunday Morning Quarterback podcast. We have more talent sitting behind our starters than our actual starters. It’s true. If you’ve watched Relentless you’ve heard Mullen preach about needing guys who will go out and make the play. Well they are there Dan, just give them a chance to get in the game.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Where is this podcast?

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Message Board Ignorance

NM

 

[57stratdawg]

If we can't get guys like Aries Williams, DLee, and Gerri Green on the field after 2 years, something is wrong.

anyone else notice Fletcher Adams was playing in the 4th quarter against NWST? What's that all about.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Jesus.

There is nothing that gets our fanbase more fired up than an ole miss win.

 

[dawgstudent]

Link: http://www.supertalk.fm/sunday-morning-qb-➠-920/

 

[BiscuitEater]

Sincere Question ..

Did you go to the game on Sat?

Without looking at the stats or writing down numbers, think we played ..

Redshirt Freshmen .. Elijah Staley, Gerri Green, Nick Fitzgerald, Brandon Bryant, Chris Rayford, Cory Thomas, Grant Harris, Braxton Hoyett, Deion Calhoun, Ronald Cochran, Elgton Jenkins, Aeris Williams, Dontavian Lee, Josiah Phillips

True Freshmen .. Jamal Peters, Malik Dear, Mark McLaurin

Another sincere question .. "Where have you been for the last six years?" Dan Mullen has NOT changed his philosophy on 'who' he starts and 'who' he plays since he has been here and I DON'T think your post is going to change it.

 

[aTotal360]

I'll forward this to Mullins just in case. **

 

[DocHolliday.sixpack]

+1

Did you go to the game on Sat?

Without looking at the stats or writing down numbers, think we played ..

Redshirt Freshmen .. Elijah Staley, Gerri Green, Nick Fitzgerald, Brandon Bryant, Chris Rayford, Cory Thomas, Grant Harris, Braxton Hoyett, Deion Calhoun, Ronald Cochran, Elgton Jenkins, Aeris Williams, Dontavian Lee, Josiah Phillips

True Freshmen .. Jamal Peters, Malik Dear, Mark McLaurin

Another sincere question .. "Where have you been for the last six years?" Dan Mullen has NOT changed his philosophy on 'who' he starts and 'who' he plays since he has been here and I DON'T think your post is going to change it.

Also without looking at the numbers, something along the lines of 10 players with a reception. 3 QBS with a TD toss. The list goes on as you noted.

 

[AlCoDog]

Without a doubt.

 

[thf24]

I think this idea that Mullen plays veterans over more talented younger players simply because they're older is largely a myth. There are a ton of examples of younger guys playing over older guys when they're legitimately better, and there's usually at least one good reason when they don't.

 

[fishwater99]

Did you go to the game on Sat?

Without looking at the stats or writing down numbers, think we played ..

Redshirt Freshmen .. Elijah Staley, Gerri Green, Nick Fitzgerald, Brandon Bryant, Chris Rayford, Cory Thomas, Grant Harris, Braxton Hoyett, Deion Calhoun, Ronald Cochran, Elgton Jenkins, Aeris Williams, Dontavian Lee, Josiah Phillips

True Freshmen .. Jamal Peters, Malik Dear, Mark McLaurin

Another sincere question .. "Where have you been for the last six years?" Dan Mullen has NOT changed his philosophy on 'who' he starts and 'who' he plays since he has been here and I DON'T think your post is going to change it.

We never were in jeopardy to lose the game vs NW.
I think he is saying where were these players in the first 2 weeks, like in the LSU game where they were needed.
Will we see the younger, but better players, on the field vs Auburn and other competitive foes or will they only play in mop-up duty?

 

[missouridawg]

At some point, our coaching staff (specifically the guy making $4 million+) needs to start playing our best playmakers. I get it, our young freshman are raw and will make mistakes. But it’s apparent that our older guys at key positions are raw and still need development as well. Shumpert just isn’t an SEC caliber running back. He runs like a john deere tractor towing an 18 wheeler. Williams and Lee are young, but these kids know how to run the football and attack the hole. I’ve heard people say, “yeah, but maybe they aren’t as good as Shump in pass protection.” Big 17ing deal. They can’t possibly be as bad at pass protection as Shump is at actually running. I’ll take my chances. Donald Gray needs to be starting. Really don’t care whose position he takes, his hands are incredible and Ross/Brown are inconsistent at best. And for the love of sweet baby Jesus, get Rufus Warren out of the line-up. Let Jenkins take over and learn. “Yeah but Jenkins might get Dak hurt,”….right, cause Rufus hasn’t been the guy beat on every 17ing passing down. On the defensive side, McLaurin and Peters need to be on the field. I can’t figure out why Coman plays over them. Perhaps our coaching staff likes players who are 4 steps away from the play…..every play.

It became very apparent during the Ole Miss vs Alabama game that Freeze’s philosophy of allowing his young talented playmakers to get on the field as freshman, and grow up during the game, is paying dividends. Did their young guys make mistakes as young players? Absolutely. But they were able to learn and develop between the sidelines, under the bright lights. Sure, our guys are 3 years into the program and more developed when they step onto the field, but they are scared shitless when it comes to the big game environment.

Matt Wyatt alluded to this yesterday on the Sunday Morning Quarterback podcast. We have more talent sitting behind our starters than our actual starters. It’s true. If you’ve watched Relentless you’ve heard Mullen preach about needing guys who will go out and make the play. Well they are there Dan, just give them a chance to get in the game.

I'll be interested to see what you think of Hugh Freeze's talent development strategy after this season. They will lose 3 NFL players off of that defense (plus a few other 4 year players) and haven't done much in the way of building depth. I expect them to drop off a bit next year on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

Yes I went to the game on Saturday. I've been to every home game the last 10 years. Want my section and seat numbers? Who gives a flying 17 about which of these players played against NWSU? We needed them against LSU, and we will need them against our other SEC foes. It doesn't take a football genius to look and see Shump get carries in the first quarter and look terrible and then see Williams and Lee get reps in the first quarter and look much better. The post wasn't about guys playing in this game, it was about them playing in games that actually matter.

I didn't realize that the only requirement for message board posting was to change the opinion of the coaching staff with said post. So no, I don't believe Mullen will change his philosophy because of my irate message board post. If you think our best players are being utilized at each and every position then perhaps you and Mullen are cut from the same cloth.

 

[HD6]

Adams didn't play.

 

[ShrubDog]

I have not seen the tape but what about Leo Lewis? Whats going on with him...

 

[dawggrad08]

We never were in jeopardy to lose the game vs NW.
I think he is saying where were these players in the first 2 weeks, like in the LSU game where they were needed.
Will we see the younger, but better players, on the field vs Auburn and other competitive foes or will they only play in mop-up duty?

+1

THIS

Green, Thomas, Harris, Hoyett, Williams, Lewis, Lee, Peters, McLaurin, Dear, J. Jackson,....should have ALL seen significant snaps in both the previous games.

And don't tell me he doesn't play upperclassmen favorites while T. Dale is getting snaps at DT over Hoyett and Thomas. The fact that Jenkins or Rankin, isn't the full time starter over Warren right now is laughable....because even if Warren knows what to do...he clearly can't do it very well.

Player development happens when you PLAY....not watch. Seeing stuff on film is nowhere close to seeing it happen in game speed. I understand what coach is TRYING to do, in limiting mistakes...I for one, can live with a young, physically capable, guy making a mistake, but trotting a player out there who is limited athletically...and watching him get beat like a drum...i can't get on board with.

 

[dawggrad08]

I'll be interested to see what you think of Hugh Freeze's talent development strategy after this season. They will lose 3 NFL players off of that defense (plus a few other 4 year players) and haven't done much in the way of building depth. I expect them to drop off a bit next year on the defensive side of the ball.

But if they win the West (BIG IF)...who will care what they do next year? The difference between the two coaches is clear...one coaches conservative/not to lose...the other goes out guns blazing...ill leave you to figure out which one is which.

 

[HD6]

He's redshirting.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

I love what Peters and McLaurin will bring to our defense eventually. But they are not ready to play significant minutes in the SEC at safety. Out of position several times, missed calls, blown coverage (the one Smokey was waving his hands at the safety McLaurin), Peters got on the wrong side of a block. And this was against Northwestern State. What do you think two offensive guys like Malhzan and Sumlin would do to these players. Their offensive disguises are pretty complex at times. Physically they are great but when you are that out of position or missing calls as much as they are, big liability. Maybe they can go a series or two with the right packages. Peters looks good reacting to the ball at the line of scrimmage but he is a safety and needs to be learning all of the position.

 

[57stratdawg]

Must have been a mistaken identity by the radio crew then, because they discussed him for several sentences.

 

[Confucius Say]

I love what Peters and McLaurin will bring to our defense eventually. But they are not ready to play significant minutes in the SEC at safety. Out of position several times, missed calls, blown coverage (the one Smokey was waving his hands at the safety McLaurin), Peters got on the wrong side of a block. And this was against Northwestern State. What do you think two offensive guys like Malhzan and Sumlin would do to these players. Their offensive disguises are pretty complex at times. Physically they are great but when you are that out of position or missing calls as much as they are, big liability. Maybe they can go a series or two with the right packages. Peters looks good reacting to the ball at the line of scrimmage but he is a safety and needs to be learning all of the position.

What coverage had peters busted? If he is busting coverages, then I agree, he shouldn't play much at all. But I have not seen that.
He got on the wrong side of a block? Meaning he got blocked? So what. I'll take one example of that over Evans and market every day.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

I said McLaurin busted coverage. The post mentioned both I believe. Peters was out of position once or twice in coverage but nothing really busted in those insistances. And I do see those as being different. The other guys do depend on you to be were you are suppose to be though. And getting on the wrong side of the block was because he was out of position to begin with, again. If he does what he was suppose to do then he is in position to make a play. He does that against Auburn or A & M and it's a big gain. And this was just during the short play against Northwestern State. You take that out to 40 plays in the SEC, that's a problem you can't really live with. I will say that some of this is expected for a true freshman safety. I can see him earning more and more time during the year. But he is not ready yet. It's like Kelly at Tenn last year. It took a little while and for the first 3 games he was limited but as the season went along he got more time and even a couple of starts. That's the trajectory of most highly rated safety's who are good enough to play as a freshman. It's usually around mid season that the lights really start coming on.

 

[fishwater99]

I think this idea that Mullen plays veterans over more talented younger players simply because they're older is largely a myth. There are a ton of examples of younger guys playing over older guys when they're legitimately better, and there's usually at least one good reason when they don't.

Really??
Just look at the RB position. He has always gone with the older player.
Also, he went with TR over Dak and didn't start Chris Jones last year..

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Really??
Just look at the RB position. He has always gone with the older player.
Also, he went with TR over Dak and didn't start Chris Jones last year..

I think it's more of the situations that people try to use as a blanket. Our first TD of the year was a true freshman TE. So he doesn't always go with an older player. It has lined up that way a good bit. Dixon first year was going to be the starter no matter, Ballard after that do you question that? No. Our second leading RB rusher that year was Perkins. A true freshman who played over older RB's. Ballard and Perkins again. Then was Perkins Junior year in which he also runs for over 1,000 yards. Robinson and Griffin were behind him and rightfully so. It's the Perkins senior year that is the only time people can honestly try to make this theory stick. But for 4 prior years it's a myth. And JRob hurt his chances a getting more touches. Nobody but him was the problem. He had to grow up because talent or not the coach has to do what is right for the program he is building. Perkins went out his senior year hurt a good bit and gave what he could. Robinson could have helped but Robinson could not get it together. He flopped at the end of last year and that was on him as well. Just a talking point used in the fire Mullen hire Hud year that keeps getting drug back up. He played a ton of freshman that year including Ross and Bear but held onto playing an injuried Perk? Bull. That's was on the player.

 

[kired]

I don't think he favors veteran players - I think Mullen favors players that do it "his way". There are plenty of upperclassmen that have been passed up by younger guys.

We're in the best span of football MSU has experienced in most of our lifetimes. I may not agree with everything Mullen does - but it's hard to argue with the results.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

I don't think he favors veteran players - I think Mullen favors players that do it "his way". There are plenty of upperclassmen that have been passed up by younger guys.

We're in the best span of football MSU has experienced in most of our lifetimes. I may not agree with everything Mullen does - but it's hard to argue with the results.

I can see that. And for every example that the "he only plays upper classman over more talented younger guys" you have as many examples of us playing younger guys over upperclassman. And don't give me starters because all summer people have complained that the media were unfairly looking at our experience by only starters lost. Not the amount of plays our returning guys had that were as much if not more in some cases as the starter. At WR, we are going to roll 6-8 guys out there every game and we had 2 true freshman playing a good bit 2 years ago. Justin Johnson catches our first TD of the year over multiple older TE. Cox and Boyd starts on DL as freshman. And another position you are going to roll a lot of players throughout the game. CJ played more plays than any other DT last year and played a ton as a freshman.