I'm sure behind the scenes we have a few coaches who can get after some kids, but overall I feel we are staff full of "it's okay buddy" TO was mild mannered but had assistants that would sh*t down your neck if they felt it needed to happen. I feel this is part of the problem with the same penalties, bad clutch plays, excuses, and close losses at some point...
Coaches Too Soft?
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Apparently, OP has never met a gen Z'er....AND there's a thing called the transfer portal now. It's a way finer line than when TO & his muscle were roaming.
Exactly, it's a totally different game now, the coaches have to be recruiting their own players everyday too now.
I like our team...there's alot of good players
heck even cam made up for his return problems during the early season, with 2 picks of minn and some great coverage.
folks just need to give frost time to fix his 2 mistakes...depth at qb and kicker.
the oline is young, I think they will come around.
heck even cam made up for his return problems during the early season, with 2 picks of minn and some great coverage.
folks just need to give frost time to fix his 2 mistakes...depth at qb and kicker.
the oline is young, I think they will come around.
I don't think it's that much different now. You think Saban is coddling his players? Doubt it, yet his players still show up to play for him and respect him. Saban isn't really a players coach, but in the long run he's doing what's best for them. Players coaches think they're helping their players by coddling them, but it often ends up doing just the opposite.
Saban puts players in the league. That is one of their #1 goals and they know he has a history of getting them there. He has, what 73 on rosters now? I wonder how you know he isn't a players coach. It think he obviously is, he doesn't loose people he wants to keep and his players play hard for him.
Are you at practice? You must be hanging around listening to player - coach conversations. Oh, that's right, you don't know. Hmmm And you are pretty sure this is how Tom did it, allow his assistants to be the bad guy?
OL is a huge problem for me: penalties, bad snaps, poor protection, and not creating running lanes. Not sticking up for AM, but he is running for his life half the time
for adrian I would say that's true, he definitely needs a pocket with no disruptions because he has a problem with accuracy/throwing on the right foot and making reads...he definitely is not joe montana
and to be fair earlier this year sometimes he hit receivers in their chest with a soft balls, and they dropped the ball.
so the whole team just needs to keep improving.
hopefully the fans won't be too soft.
vince lombardi said (parafrasing of course) that some guys you had jump down their throats like a madman and others you had to wisper softly to like a child. good coaches had to figure out the difference. not recruiting a backup qb in 4 years is something entirerly different isnt it? like both frost and am but how many more accidents need to happen before we take the keys away
“No fear of failure.”
By the way, it is okay for kids to be scared sh!tless of making mistakes at the start of the week in practice but by the end of the week/game time they know they can do no wrong.
Reminds me of a scene from the great movie Whiplash…
Paraphrased: Do you ever worry that you ran off the next Charlie Parker.
No man…if the kid could have been run off by that, he never would have been the next Charlie Parker.
By the way, it is okay for kids to be scared sh!tless of making mistakes at the start of the week in practice but by the end of the week/game time they know they can do no wrong.
Reminds me of a scene from the great movie Whiplash…
Paraphrased: Do you ever worry that you ran off the next Charlie Parker.
No man…if the kid could have been run off by that, he never would have been the next Charlie Parker.
From talking to former players who played for Tom.
When 2 nasties really got into it, Tom would turn around, survey what was going on elsewhere, then after about 30 seconds, turn around and yell, "Hey, what are you guys doing over there?"
He knew that type of aggressiveness in a controlled setting was good. We all know it didn't take much prompting from Christian Peter, Dominic, Richie, Clinton Childs and a few others of "that type."
I spoke with players as well. That was t what the OP said, it was about coaches getting on players, not players getting on players.
Our team sucks something fierce and the transfer portal is available and a reasonable option for anyone on the team with any amount of talent.
People put up with Saban's **** because he's basically proven himself to be the GOAT. Wouldn't work for Frost.
Notice that no one ever mentions that hard edge approach of a Narduzzi or a Chryst or any other mid level coach when they wanna tell these little "get tough" tidbits. Becuase its really only working for a hand few of well known, well proven names.
Since 9/11, our society has undergone a cultural shift which attempts to embrace the "every man an operator" paradigm of America's special operations forces that have led the fight against terrorists the world over.
So we've had current and former operators being asked to speak to business moguls, coaches, little old ladies leading book groups, and weekend warrior prepper types on Youtube about everything from how to conquer fear to how load out a go bag from 3 hours to 3 days. Special operations is a cottage industry in America's business and media climate.
The fundamental tenant of something like the Navy SEALs is that fear paralyzes and so one must not really fear failure. On a football team, a given task (snapping the football, blocking a given dude, accepting a handoff) should not induce fear because fear will interrupt the action of it being done repeatedly and well under stress. The primary source of fear on a football team would be the anxiety/motivation is the competition with peers to maintain ones spot in the pecking order, not to necessarily fear running 100 laps or listening to an old man yell because you jumped offsides.
Personally I find it hilarious that many on this board embraced the fact that NU over the years has take part in this operator industry and exposed the men to these military teaching. They mostly assume it must be fire and brimstone. But then we turn around and have threads like these where we say the philosophy is soft, without realizing where it comes from. (It was also a catch phrase in Jerry Rice's book, so there is that too).
so we get spencer rattler, have polar bear and daniel's clean the locker room floor with him to adjust his attitude, and bam, joe montana.
TO was mild mannered, but he definitely was not a players coach. Many starters over the years were afraid to approach him and if he called out your name - it made many freeze wondering what he was going to say. He was like a godfather, players dealt with the assistants. He was feared, but respected.
People act like Tom Osborne was some soft-spoken old lady from a Bible study group. He was a very driven person, and very driven people expect their subordinates to behave a certain way or else. Assistant coaches and players knew exactly what to expect out of Osborne and it wasn't aw shucks good golly. Okay, the language was, but the message wasn't.
Probably not...back in the day it was like "no water and salt tablets" and then we found out that 10/10 doctors recommend water.
Coach Osborne had a temper at practice but it just wasn't seen very often and when he did, it wasn't a pretty sight and it got everyone's attention at practice. No I didn't play for DONU, but my 1st cousins did and when me and the cousin who was my age pretty much were a regular down there visiting his brother and I saw Osborne go off 1 time in practice. I'm just glad I wasn't one of them who was the recipient of it. Me and my cousin saw numerous practices before he started playing down there.
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I think the issue is the head man is waiting for the players to figure out how to set the culture and I think he is living in his past where he was **** on by the fan base. He needs to become the CEO and show the leadership for the players to replicate. Right now it's a lot of words and not much for action. If he is playing favorites etc, I guarantee the players see and feel it. If he cans some position coaches and moves things around then I will have some faith for 1 more year. He might be too stubborn to do it though.
Even worse, if we fire him, I could see him becoming a very successful coach some where else and then we will be bitching about it when the next coach fails after year 3 again.
