Coach 2 could face 80 years
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It is really going to depend on two things: (1) if the government's legal theory holds up, which is questionable; and (2) if Gatto cooperates and testifies against Pitino. If the latter happens, it may not matter how weak the legal theory is, because Pitino could be forced to plead. He would likely only get probation and a huge fine, but it would be the greatest fall in history for a college basketball coach, if it isn't already.
He won't serve 8 minutes or for the uk fan in me 15 seconds
He's already centuries old dude! More like 2,497.
Even if he did time it would be a white collar federal pen. Play some basketball or tennis, find Jesus, and minster to your fellow prisoners- get early release. But would still be an amazing fall.
Actually no, pitino was born in 1431 in Transylvania. If convicted this year, and served the full 80 years he would be 666 years old upon completion.
Quite fitting for slick rick
You don't know he won't do time. Feds know locking him up even for six months would make a lot of other HCs out there reassess their priorities.
Its not questionable at all, despite what Jones said. Its as solid as cases get.
Wait till they add all the tax and failure to file cash transaction forms. That will hit everyone. Then more people will talk. And it keeps going.
The only ones with a chance will be those where its word versus word. The rest will have wiretaps, surveilance, cw recordings, and financial records. For them, beating this case isnt even a chance. Thats why most will talk.
Now its likely they may not see alot of jail time due to their criminal history scores being low, cooperation, etc. But theyll be convicted.
I am not basing it off of Matt Jones. I am a white-collar defense attorney at one of the top firms in the country. I literally do this for a living. The fiduciary theory is questionable and ripe for challenge before SCOTUS. And the related honest services theory of prosecution has been gutted in recent years.
I am not understanding the words coming outs yer mouth.,, damn it Shawn, I'm a doctor not an attorney.
Fiduciary theory... is there ANY question on this?
I get honest services as debatable. Yeah..
Please put on your blue-tinted glasses as if the FBI/NCAA has hired you.. then type. Thanks!
Don't you think it's more likely that Pitino testifies against Adidas? The government is always more interested in busting a large organization that it feels is corrupt than prosecution of individuals. They're gonna have to give him immunity to get him to testify.
Ha, I can certainly argue either side. In the end, it likely won't matter because the threat of prosecution will be sufficient to flip who they want to flip and plead out who they want to plead out, likely without much if any prison time. What happens with Gatto and in turn Pitino will be the most fascinating to watch.
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Question is, will he ever see a HC seat again? I seriously doubt he gets jail time
Always possible, but I think you are underestimating Pitino's ego. He won't admit to anything unless he has no other choice. We could have a prisoner's dilemma between Gatto and Pitino.
If he really is subject to 80 years in prison, he'll fold like a card table.
Ive practiced federal criminal defense at the highest level for years as well. I can tell by your thought process, youve never tried a case, and are probably an associate whos still wrapped up in theoretical applications of law.
In the real world, in the courtroom: If they file the motion for acquittal, theyll lose. Maybe scotus overturns it, maybe not. Either way thats years later.
That doesnt even consider the superseding indictment that has some low hanging fruit: tax evasion/fraud, failure to file irs form 8300 for certain cash transactions, and/or structuring; just off the top of my head. Theyre likely threatening this for those that dont talk. Thats why many will. Then the process starts anew.
See these arent really white collar criminals. These are, mostly, normal people that happened to commit financial crimes. The investigation methods, and likely prosecutorial methods, are much closer to that of a drug trafficking conspiracy.
It is amazing how fast people feel compelled to attack others to make themselves feel important. I am not an associate. I have tried two honest services cases in the past 4 years alone. I won a Rule 29 in a case involving honest services among other charges. We will see how this plays out.
[laughing] He'll sing like a canary. Already has. Lol. Poor Steve Pence is probably cashing his retainer fees and beating his head against the wall every time "Coach #2" is interviewed.
It took me like 7 years to finish a bachelors at a weak *** city college, and a community college degree
I used to be an astronaut and now I'm just a blue collar brain surgeon.
This is the very kind of person the FBI likes to make an example of... You can't buy the government off... NCAA, yes, Dickey V and ESPN could get him out, but not the FBI...
This is actually sad to me. Hate to see this really. With all the bitterness he had and the chip he carried with him it should've never sunk to that his.
Who knows what else they will find on the computer that was taken from his office?
Ha! All you hi-fallutin brainiacs and your advanced edumacation.
I got a cousin who didn't even finish 7th grade, and he can perform complex chemistry with household items in his garage on Floyd Street.
Top that!
I got a cousin who didn't even finish 7th grade, and he can perform complex chemistry with household items in his garage on Floyd Street.
Top that!
I can do magic. I hear RP can do magic as well. Lets see what he plans on pulling out of his *** to save himself this time. Most likely it will be Jurich or Zipp. Oh Wait! Since both of these guys are ******** they cannot be pulled out of the aforementioned ***.
To an extent, yes. The term really was meant to describe the defendant (ie an investment broker slowly siphoning his clients money, etc) moreso than the crime.
But over time, that sort of morphed
The question is what do either of them know that the FBI doesn't already know,it would seem to me that Gatto is likely to know more stuff that would interest the FBI.Unless these particular FBI guys are UK fans they probably aren't as interested in bringing down Pitino,UL or college basketball in general,now a corrupt business is another matter.
Congrats. Im glad youre doing well. Im not attacking you. Im just pointing out to you that your approach to the case is more academic than reality.
I agreed with your overall premise. It just wont work that way in real life. These folks arent ones that would handle jail well. To have them wait in jail for tears pinning hopes on a scotus reversal just isnt much of a sales pitch. Especially when they can talk, and be out for sure in about the same amount of time.