CBS article re: Simmons

[coach66]

If he was a 2 star it would probably have never gotten the press coverage it got

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[johnson86-1]

I'm with patdog on this.

If it was a marginal player, we wouldn't have had to take a PR hit because it wouldn't be a big deal. We'd enroll him (as we should; we really shouldn't be in the business of keeping otherwise qualified applicants out of college because of a single misdemeanor and no other aggravating issues, and bad pr is not an aggravating circumstance that would justify denying him admission), we'd 'suspend' him for several games of a season he'd likely end up redshirting anyway, and it would be a non-story after an initial blurb. If he ended up being good and stayed out of trouble, it would hook for some stories about how he turned his life around after the incident.

 

[coach66]

We had a girl in the 8th grade at my school that could whip every boy in our

grade and did it on a regular basis. She could take a punch too. I'm telling you she would have been a cage fighting terror.

 

[johnson86-1]

Here's my question - why wouldn't Simmons be enrolled as a regular student? Are you not allowed to enroll if you have a pending trial? I have no clue.

I haven't looked at the stats, but I would bet a good sum of money that if we even tried to pull background checks on every student and refuse admission to any student that has a misdemeanor other than an MIP on their record, we'd get hammered legally and PR wise as a result of the disparate impact.

 

[dawgstudent]

I think within the state of MS - it would have gotten press - especially if it was MS high school player.

 

[121Josey]

I think within the state of MS - it would have gotten press - especially if it was MS high school player.

So you're saying as long as he didn't sign with the Bears?**

 

[AlCoDog]

Whatever happened to Toby Manning? Didn't he beat up his girlfriend and wave to the news cameras as he was put in the cop car saying, " hotty toddy?" He enrolled and played as a freshman unless I'm mis-remembering. If so, my "mistake."

 

[121Josey]

If he was a 2* recruit, we would have dropped him. I don't have a huge problem with taking him, pending what sort of punishment we give (I would redshirt him and if he stays out of trouble, he plays the first game of 2017). But let's not kid ourselves that if he was a marginal player we would have taken the PR hit.

That's like saying the Bears don't cheat to get 2* recruits. 2* recruits are a dime-a-dozen (no pun intended). Mississippi is full of them. It's not full of Simmons. Sure State would look around, but I don't buy that they would just drop him cold turkey. And you are talking about a school that reports 4* players for recruiting violations.

Why should his punishment be more than community service (and/or counseling)? Anything other than that is a PR move. RS should strictly be based on how prepared he is to take the field in Sept.

 

[coach66]

You've obviously never gotten your *** whipped by a girl*

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[dawgstudent]

Does my sister count? I was 5. She was 7

 

[Miketice]

Transfered tp JSU. Not sure after that.

Whatever happened to Toby Manning? Didn't he beat up his girlfriend and wave to the news cameras as he was put in the cop car saying, " hotty toddy?" He enrolled and played as a freshman unless I'm mis-remembering. If so, my "mistake."

About half that class transferred from ole miss

 

[coach66]

Does not count, domestic violence*, my sister kicked my *** for many years

I finally started getting the best of her when she would pin me down and i would start humming the Superman theme, she knew the gig was up.

 

[Digging dog]

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If he was a 2* player the video would probably be of the girl kicking his ***.

 

[johnson86-1]

I think within the state of MS - it would have gotten press - especially if it was MS high school player.

I agree it would have gotten press, just like Tobias Manning's did, and since there was video, it probably would have gotten some national attention. But I don't think the national media would come back to it by the time it was resolved, and the local media wouldn't come back to it long.

And I'm really not even sure how much real press it's getting now outside of hardcore football fans and MSU and UM fans. It's being covered, but surely Stringfellow's incident was covered also and does anybody remember anything about that? And UM's recruit that sexually assaulted other team mates by digitally penetrating a younger player's anus and then sticking the finger in the guys mouth? Surely if anything was going to get some real publicity it would be that, and I honestly don't think I'd even know about it if I weren't a MSU fan. Being on video makes Simmon's situation different, but even so, people of the non-message board variety just don't care and pay attention like fans that participate in message boards. In three months, I'm not sure anybody outside of a tiny, tiny minority of hard core fans will even remember this, unless it is kept in the news by him making another mistake or unless he is blowing up on the field as a true freshman.

 

[TaleofTwoDogs]

Like everything else in today's society the lines are quickly fading between men and women. There are exceptions to every rule as Digging dog points out there are many women out there that can kick your *** and twice on Sundays. What if you are a soldier on the battlefield in hand-to-hand combat with a female enemy. Do you say "sorry, madam, I can't fight you". With Simmons, because it was a misdemeanor it should not prevent him from enrolling at State and football participation should not be impacted unless the language of his football scholarship specifically mentions a misdemeanor as a circumstance that will terminate the contract.