Can someone help me understand the angst

[DvlDog4WVU]

I don't understand why there is so much concern with the Convention being contested. People keep taking about so and so having a majority. The majority is 1237 or more. If you don't reach that number, that means a majority actually oppose you. It's pretty simple.

Also keep hearing about the rules of who is eligible. That doesn't get voted on for another month to month and half. There are no specific rules for the convention this year....yet.

Damn, I wish people would educate themselves a little on the process and understand things.

 

[WVUBRU]

Another example of the ignorance of the citizens and proof was yesterday with the troll Eers and dumbass dave. The parties are private organizations and the process they go about nominating their candidate is not dictated by the constitution. It has been less than 100 years since the parties have even involved the public using the current system we have into picking a candidate. The parties set the rules and the candidates have to play within. To say one party is more "rigged" than the other is pure stupidity. No wonder those two idiots don't understand.

 

[mule_eer]

I don't understand why there is so much concern with the Convention being contested. People keep taking about so and so having a majority. The majority is 1237 or more. If you don't reach that number, that means a majority actually oppose you. It's pretty simple.

Also keep hearing about the rules of who is eligible. That doesn't get voted on for another month to month and half. There are no specific rules for the convention this year....yet.

Damn, I wish people would educate themselves a little on the process and understand things.

Cruz is pushing that eligibility issue when he says Kasich needs to go. If no one is at 1237 going into the convention, the 8 win rule will be eliminated, not reduced.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Cruz is pushing that eligibility issue when he says Kasich needs to go. If no one is at 1237 going into the convention, the 8 win rule will be eliminated, not reduced.

There is no 8 win rule. Rule 40 was part of 2012's convention. The rules don't carry over. The new committee will determine the rules when they meet just prior to the convention. They can choose to carry that over but there is no guarantee they will.

Like you said, I would bet the requirement to be you must have won a state. Eliminates Romney and any of the delegates that jumped out of the race. Keeps Kasich in the fight. If it goes contested, Trump will not win though.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I don't understand why there is so much concern with the Convention being contested. People keep taking about so and so having a majority. The majority is 1237 or more. If you don't reach that number, that means a majority actually oppose you. It's pretty simple.

Also keep hearing about the rules of who is eligible. That doesn't get voted on for another month to month and half. There are no specific rules for the convention this year....yet.

Damn, I wish people would educate themselves a little on the process and understand things.

ma·jor·i·ty
[məˈjôrədē, məˈjärədē]
NOUN
the greater number
synonyms: "in the majority of cases all will go smoothly" · larger part/number · greater part/number

The majority is the person with the most votes, regardless if they made it to 1237. By GOP rules, the nominee is required to make it to 1237. GOP Convention rules are already established.

When (and if) Trump doesn't become the nominee with the most delegates (and most votes from the PEOPLE/VOTERS), it would be like the Democrats going to convention and saying we are going to nominate Bernie, even though Hillary has more delegates, simply because he has momentum. You've just squashed the voice of the people, regardless of how crazy they may be.

Very ironic post.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

ma·jor·i·ty
[məˈjôrədē, məˈjärədē]
NOUN
the greater number
synonyms: "in the majority of cases all will go smoothly" · larger part/number · greater part/number

The majority is the person with the most votes, regardless if they made it to 1237. By GOP rules, the nominee is required to make it to 1237. GOP Convention rules are already established.

When (and if) Trump doesn't become the nominee with the most delegates (and most votes from the PEOPLE/VOTERS), it would be like the Democrats going to convention and saying we are going to nominate Bernie, even though Hillary has more delegates, simply because he has momentum. You've just squashed the voice of the people, regardless of how crazy they may be.

Very ironic post.

You understand 1237 equals a majority right? That's greater than 50%. If you fail to reach that, it means you didn't win the majority, the "not you" candidates held the majority. It's not difficult to understand.

Your analogy is false. It has nothing to do with momentum. It has everything to do with basic math. Round 2 of the convention will tell you a lot.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

You understand 1237 equals a majority right? That's greater than 50%. If you fail to reach that, it means you didn't win the majority, the "not you" candidates held the majority. It's not difficult to understand.

Your analogy is false. It has nothing to do with momentum. It has everything to do with basic math. Round 2 of the convention will tell you a lot.

Momentum was just an example. Insert any reasoning you want, good god.[eyeroll]
Here are the current GOP delegate counts. Yes, Trump has the majority (greater number as defined by Webster) of the delegates to date.
Trump = 743
Cruz = 545
Rubio = 171
Kasich = 143

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Momentum was just an example. Insert any reasoning you want, good god.[eyeroll]
Here are the current GOP delegate counts. Yes, Trump has the majority (greater number as defined by Webster) of the delegates to date.
Trump = 743
Cruz = 545
Rubio = 171
Kasich = 143

Looks like he doesn't.

Trump= 743
The Field= 849

He has the majority of delegates of those currently in the race. He does not represent a majority of voters. That is the point. It's not difficult to understand.

And let's cease with the charade. We all understand why you have a problem with this right now. Trump represents a guaranteed win for the D candidate and that's all you care about.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Trump represents a guaranteed win for the D candidate and that's all you care about.

Cruz does too. [laughing]

 

[mneilmont]

Momentum was just an example. Insert any reasoning you want, good god.[eyeroll]
Here are the current GOP delegate counts. Yes, Trump has the majority (greater number as defined by Webster) of the delegates to date.
Trump = 743
Cruz = 545
Rubio = 171
Kasich = 143

Is there confusion between plurality and majority? Majority definition goes on to be defined as any number greater than half. Trump is current plurality leader because he has a greater individual number than all other candidates individually. He is not the majority leader defined by half of total +1 or half plus any number.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Cruz does too. [laughing]

Right, which is why you are in direct opposition of an outlet where a non-crazy can get elected on the Republican side. Yet instead of approaching it like a man and calling it for what it is, you come with the passive aggressive like the liberal ***** you are. Unfortunately for you, you're a moron and anything you say or do is beyond transparent.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Right, which is why you are in direct opposition of an outlet where a non-crazy can get elected on the Republican side. Yet instead of approaching it like a man and calling it for what it is, you come with the passive aggressive like the liberal ***** you are. Unfortunately for you, you're a moron and anything you say or do is beyond transparent.

Ooh, name calling. How intelligent and mature of you. [laughing]

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Ooh, name calling. How intelligent and mature of you. [laughing]

Step 1. Passive aggressive
Step 2. Victim status
Step 3. Racist accusations
Step 4. Comparisons to Hitler

Did I miss anything?

 

[mule_eer]

There is no 8 win rule. Rule 40 was part of 2012's convention. The rules don't carry over. The new committee will determine the rules when they meet just prior to the convention. They can choose to carry that over but there is no guarantee they will.

Like you said, I would bet the requirement to be you must have won a state. Eliminates Romney and any of the delegates that jumped out of the race. Keeps Kasich in the fight. If it goes contested, Trump will not win though.

My understanding, and it may be wrong, is that the rules generally carry over form one convention to the next, although they do have to have a vote on them. They changed the win count from 5 to 8 in 2012, and it had been at 5 for several conventions prior to 2012. Interestingly enough, the change from 5 to 8 was to make sure that Ron Paul couldn't make the ballot in 2012.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

My understanding, and it may be wrong, is that the rules generally carry over form one convention to the next, although they do have to have a vote on them. They changed the win count from 5 to 8 in 2012, and it had been at 5 for several conventions prior to 2012. Interestingly enough, the change from 5 to 8 was to make sure that Ron Paul couldn't make the ballot in 2012.

Watch it go to 1 or removed all together for this convention.

And to the point you made, correct, they generally carry over. With that said, the GOP generally has a field comprised of normal candidates, not the looney tunes. The future of the GOP is at stake, not to mention the SCOTUS appointees. Too much to risk at the mercy of Hillary or Trump and appeasing the moron electorate.

 

[Mog]

In general I think people just assume that the candidate who gets the most votes will be the one that wins. When they find out it's more complicated than that, they get pissed.

That effect is compounded because Trump is the one most likely to be hurt in that scenario, and it just adds more fuel to the fire of "the people in charge are screwing the little guy over" that his supporters generally subscribe to.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

In general I think people just assume that the candidate who gets the most votes will be the one that wins. When they find out it's more complicated than that, they get pissed.

That effect is compounded because Trump is the one most likely to be hurt in that scenario, and it just adds more fuel to the fire of "the people in charge are screwing the little guy over" that his supporters generally subscribe to.

Right, we call those people morons.

 

[dave]

Right, we call those people morons.

referring back to the thread from yesterday. I think the problem with primaries, whether it is colorado not allowing people to vote or super delegates whose votes are worth more than other votes is that parties devaluing the votes of their members.

I don't think it is unfair. I just don't know if it is a good idea.

I also think open primaries are ridiculous. I guess in a state where there are a lot of independent or undeclared voters it has some value but allowing people regardless of registration to vote in your party seems counterproductive.

 

[EERs 3:16]

Another example of the ignorance of the citizens and proof was yesterday with the troll Eers and dumbass dave. The parties are private organizations and the process they go about nominating their candidate is not dictated by the constitution. It has been less than 100 years since the parties have even involved the public using the current system we have into picking a candidate. The parties set the rules and the candidates have to play within. To say one party is more "rigged" than the other is pure stupidity. No wonder those two idiots don't understand.

Say Bru - still sticking by this? Tell me again how the DNC's system wasn't rigged.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Harumph harumph, grumble grumble, lying scum, refuse to answer question, personal insult

Took care of it for you Eers

 

[WVUBRU]

Two idiots that can't read once again. My post has nothing to do with it being rigged.

 

[Walter Brennaneer]

Took care of it for you Eers

Bru has never used personal insults....NEVER! [jumpingsmile]

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Bru has never used personal insults....NEVER! [jumpingsmile]

Re-read this thread and tell us who is doing the name calling.

Thanks for playing. [laughing]