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Falcon1981

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When do you think we will know who is or is not playing in the bowl?
I was hoping to have a meeting with about 75 people in Orlando that week, purchase tickets and set up a tailgate for everyone.
It is about a 20K investment, but will not spend that kind of money if we a playing without the players that make us competitive.
 
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Falcon1981 said:
When do you think we will know who is or is not playing in the bowl?
I was hoping to have a meeting with about 75 people in Orlando that week, purchase tickets and set up a tailgate for everyone.
It is about a 20K investment, but will not spend that kind of money if we a playing without the players that make us competitive.
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Don't be surprised if they don't know who's playing and who isn't. We'll know in time but an official release may not come.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee

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All the hype and potential in August just to play Syracuse in a meaningless bowl. We've come full circle. I will say this team is better than the 2012 version. Still a disappointment and shame.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
All the hype and potential in August just to play Syracuse in a meaningless bowl. We've come full circle. I will say this team is better than the 2012 version. Still a disappointment and shame.
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I just don’t get how it’s so meaningless to everyone, I mean we’ve got a chance to finish top 15, something that just doesn’t happen a lot around here.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
All the hype and potential in August just to play Syracuse in a meaningless bowl. We've come full circle. I will say this team is better than the 2012 version. Still a disappointment and shame.
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BTW all bowls are really meaningless except for the two playoff bowls and of course the championship.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee

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sword12 said:
BTW all bowls are really meaningless except for the two playoff bowls and of course the championship.
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Not true. Wouldn't you trade places with Texas for a chance to play a top 10 school and really have a meaningful win? Wouldn't you consider the season a better success playing and potentially beating the SEC runner up? No way you can tell me you put that on equal footing with Syracuse, a team that lost to a 7-5 Pitt.
 
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MntnEERinSC

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True, but it seems like fool's gold to me. I don't find it hard to think WVU is a top 15 team by beating an also ran ACC school.
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So beating a top 20 team will mean nothing at all? Are we really that spoiled? I would hope if his game really means nothing, that most of you will not complain if we get beat, because it shouldn’t matter if we win or lose.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee

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MntnEERinSC said:
So beating a top 20 team will mean nothing at all? Are we really that spoiled? I would hope if his game really means nothing, that most of you will not complain if we get beat, because it shouldn’t matter if we win or lose.
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That's also not always true. The game in question to a lesser degree than the following example, but let's say WVU were to play a bowl game vs Marshall. It's a meaningless game because there is not much to play for. Nothing big if you win, but rather ugly if you lose. So I suppose what I'm trying to say is it's a meaningless win. Downside far outweighs the upside.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
That's also not always true. The game in question to a lesser degree than the following example, but let's say WVU were to play a bowl game vs Marshall. It's a meaningless game because there is not much to play for. Nothing big if you win, but rather ugly if you lose. So I suppose what I'm trying to say is it's a meaningless win. Downside far outweighs the upside.
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So you’re just reserving your right to ***** and moan no matter what? Correct?
 
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MntnEERinSC said:
So you’re just reserving your right to ***** and moan no matter what? Correct?
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I'm just saying that if WVU wins convincingly it'll be a good accomplishment. However if this kind of bowl game is what WVU can expect in its "great" years, I'm not impressed. So many on here are quick to poo poo teams like Pitt or ND for thumping their chests after beating Syracuse and act all shocked when other WVU fans don't hold a double standard that its suddenly a great accomplishment if MY team does it.
 
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MntnEERinSC

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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
I'm just saying that if WVU wins convincingly it'll be a good accomplishment. However if this kind of bowl game is what WVU can expect in its "great" years, I'm not impressed. So many on here are quick to poo poo teams like Pitt or ND for thumping their chests after beating Syracuse and act all shocked when other WVU fans don't hold a double standard that its suddenly a great accomplishment if MY team does it.
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I don’t consider it a great accomplishment, but I’m not gonna **** all over a win over a top 20 team. I’m just wish that all the people saying the bowl doesn’t matter, would just disappear until spring ball.
 
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Some WV fans are creating this narrative to throw shade at Syracuse...

The thing is...if Syracuse was not important you wouldn't attempt to create a narrative to make it seem like playing them is not important.

Sounds familiar to A&M fans in the 2016 Texas Bowl.
Claiming how unattractive playing K State was. Mainly to attack the Big XII so therefore their former abusers.

Don't think it goes as far as that for WV....

Who cares who the opponent is.
It is not about Syracuse or even the bowl game.
It is what is best of WV.
 
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TownesVanZandt_rivals

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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
I'm just saying that if WVU wins convincingly it'll be a good accomplishment. However if this kind of bowl game is what WVU can expect in its "great" years, I'm not impressed. So many on here are quick to poo poo teams like Pitt or ND for thumping their chests after beating Syracuse and act all shocked when other WVU fans don't hold a double standard that its suddenly a great accomplishment if MY team does it.
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Who said this has to be a "great year" for WV?

It is a process.
Last time at this point WV took a L to a decent Miami team.

Things will move slower for WV in the Big XII.
You can expect to go from 6-6 to 11-1 without bringing in nothing but dogs.

The rise of Baylor was because of recruiting.
The rise of TCU was because of recruiting and because Gary Patterson and his staff have great eyes for defensive talent.

WV was a good to great team....
But at the end of the day their strength was the strength of the conference.
Meaning a great QB with skill players.

Outside of David Long WV had few standouts on D.
Bigelow was good. Same as Robinson the S if I remember his name correctly.

I think truthfully WV can build a better product the next "great year" they have.
As the years go by the 6-6's become 8-4's and the 9-3's become 11-1's.
 
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sword12

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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
Not true. Wouldn't you trade places with Texas for a chance to play a top 10 school and really have a meaningful win? Wouldn't you consider the season a better success playing and potentially beating the SEC runner up? No way you can tell me you put that on equal footing with Syracuse, a team that lost to a 7-5 Pitt.
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okay lets just use the word "irrelevant " except for playoff bowls. Bell , let me put this to you WVU ranked # 16 and lost to a 6-6 OSU. BTW the ACC "also ran" you refer to is ranked # 20. Now that seems like a pretty even match up. As you know beating OSU would have brought us to the next level of bowls that are more " meaningful" that everyone wants.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee

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sword12 said:
okay lets just use the word "irrelevant " except for playoff bowls. Bell , let me put this to you WVU ranked # 16 and lost to a 6-6 OSU. BTW the ACC "also ran" you refer to is ranked # 20. Now that seems like a pretty even match up. As you know beating OSU would have brought us to the next level of bowls that are more " meaningful" that everyone wants.
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I'm not saying it's not a close match-up. Im saying it shouldn't be with a coach in his 8th season and the best team he has assembled during that time. The Big XII title game even had an easier path this year with most of teams outside the top 4 having a down year this year compared to WVU's time in the Big XII. Yet WVU lost two games that "great" teams don't and all it had to do was avoid one of those blunders. I know I can't predict the future, but I'm looking at next year being a step back from this season's result. Based on the previous 8 seasons, that means that I don't see much reason to expect this coach's subsequent 10th season to be better than this year. 10 seasons and the "great" teams of that tenure place 3rd or 4th in the Big XII and get to play similarly placed ACC teams in late December bowls. Sorry if I think WVU is capable of at least 1-2 Big XII title worthy team per decade.
 
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sword12

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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
I'm not saying it's not a close match-up. Im saying it shouldn't be with a coach in his 8th season and the best team he has assembled during that time. The Big XII title game even had an easier path this year with most of teams outside the top 4 having a down year this year compared to WVU's time in the Big XII. Yet WVU lost two games that "great" teams don't and all it had to do was avoid one of those blunders. I know I can't predict the future, but I'm looking at next year being a step back from this season's result. Based on the previous 8 seasons, that means that I don't see much reason to expect this coach's subsequent 10th season to be better than this year. 10 seasons and the "great" teams of that tenure place 3rd or 4th in the Big XII and get to play similarly placed ACC teams in late December bowls. Sorry if I think WVU is capable of at least 1-2 Big XII title worthy team per decade.
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okay Bell , I get it. My problem is , historically WVU has averaged 7 wins and lost 5 since Don Nehlen era. Being a realist don't see anything to change that but hopefully one day we recruit some average players who develop into super men and win those titles,
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee

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sword12 said:
okay Bell , I get it. My problem is , historically WVU has averaged 7 wins and lost 5 since Don Nehlen era. Being a realist don't see anything to change that but hopefully one day we recruit some average players who develop into super men and win those titles,
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I understand that WVU hasn't been a regular contender. Those 7 wins were mostly when there were 11 games. Since going to 12, its been mostly an extra cupcake game. I just don't see our current coaching staff digging up talent and developing it into a great team. I see cobbled together team of JUCO and other FBS transfers along with some recruits that actually pan out which will play just well enough to keep between .500-.750 winning percentage, but never truly being good enough to compete for the conference title.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
All the hype and potential in August just to play Syracuse in a meaningless bowl. We've come full circle. I will say this team is better than the 2012 version. Still a disappointment and shame.
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Why is the Alamo Bowl any better than the Camping Bowl? WV will take more fans to Orlando than San Antonio and ISU will take more fans to San Antonio than they would Orlando. WV gets to play old rival Cuse and ISU gets to play their favorite opposing coach, "The Pirate"... Seems like both bowls got who they wanted.
 
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MntnEERinSC said:
I just don’t get how it’s so meaningless to everyone, I mean we’ve got a chance to finish top 15, something that just doesn’t happen a lot around here.
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Totally get this, but goal was higher. Minimum to me for this team with out injuries would have been Sugar. At least travel to Otlrlando is reasonable.
 
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To be honest, I will be more interested in watching this year's **** bowl if Grier doesn't play. At least then we get a small preview of next year - be it good or bad.
 
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IowaCityCy said:
Why is the Alamo Bowl any better than the Camping Bowl? WV will take more fans to Orlando than San Antonio and ISU will take more fans to San Antonio than they would Orlando. WV gets to play old rival Cuse and ISU gets to play their favorite opposing coach, "The Pirate"... Seems like both bowls got who they wanted.
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It's not. The moment we lost to Oklahoma was the moment we lost a bowl worthy of a supposed "great" team. WVU played below its ability this year. The 10-2 team played above its expectations ... except in the bowl game. Hence I'm disappointed that in a down year for the Big XII, WVU's best team since joining the conference finished 4th and goes to a December bowl. It's more disheartening in that I don't see potential to field a better team in the next 2 seasons.
 
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The biggest fallacy is that the Big XII is down.

The top 4 in 2016
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
WV
Kansas St

The Top 4 in 2018
Oklahoma was obviously better

Texas was better because Oklahoma St in 17 was better than 16 and in 17 Texas took them to OT

WV was better because all of you think 2018 was your best team in the Big XII

Think KState/Iowa St is a push.
 
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