Cal's Secret Sauce

[Bluebl00d]

How do you think Cal gets one of the top if not the number one recruiting class every year?

Magic?

He gets recruits by promising them a lot of minutes even if they underperform.

That's the story and it matches up to why
A) OADs keep getting big minutes

B) Allen, etc. have not got the chance to play until MS State because Cal had promised the minutes elsewhere

C) he spins a yarn about how it's all about the kids doing well in the NBA and that's why they get the minutes when in fact it's the only way he can deliver on recruiting

D) there is mass exodus of upper classmen because they will not get any minutes which will have been committed to incoming OADs

E) he is transactional in nature and not self-sacrificing martyr Mr. Goody Two shoes hurting the program and his coaching career by throwing games for kids gone in a year

F) he is a good recruiter but not a magician. He has to give something up to consistently get the number one recruiting class every year. What did you think that something was?

Prescient observations, you say?
Aww shucks, says I.

 

[JimBR_rivals319758]

When he ran the platoon system it was used against him in recruiting.

 

[sambowieshin_rivals]

Last night was the unveiling of "The Tweak".

 

[ck-2]

He’s promising minutes.

 

[Oboro3_rivals101424]

Obviously you don't know much about recruiting...

 

[know1]

How do you think Cal gets one of the top if not the number one recruiting class every year?

Magic?

He gets recruits by promising them a lot of minutes even if they underperform.

That's the story and it matches up to why
A) OADs keep getting big minutes

B) Allen, etc. have not got the chance to play until MS State because Cal had promised the minutes elsewhere

C) he spins a yarn about how it's all about the kids doing well in the NBA and that's why they get the minutes when in fact it's the only way he can deliver on recruiting

D) there is mass exodus of upper classmen because they will not get any minutes which will have been committed to incoming OADs

E) he is transactional in nature and not self-sacrificing martyr Mr. Goody Two shoes hurting the program and his coaching career by throwing games for kids gone in a year

F) he is a good recruiter but not a magician. He has to give something up to consistently get the number one recruiting class every year. What did you think that something was?

Prescient observations, you say?
Aww shucks, says I.

This has been painfully obvious since the beginning and why many have felt he was building a house of cards.

 

[Oneandnotdone38]

That's all well and good. But great coaches change and adapt. Nobody at BBN gives a damn about his five stars anymore because they are often underwhelming. We want guys that make shots.

Cals system is now incredibly flawed. Because he fails to get the best players now. So it's pointless. Boston deserves about as many minutes as Cam Fletcher at this junction. **** these guys ratings. Play the best players you have. It's quite that simple.

Cals system is old and outdated now. Adjust or we'll run you out of here. ******* tired of these long athletic players that can't find the net. Imo if you can't shoot you shouldn't be a five star.

 

[katwest]

One thing I think Cal either don't know or hasn't figured out or ignores is that Kentucky kids play with more heart and they play harder. A lot of Kentucky boys could have come here but knew they wouldn't have gotten the chance. I'm not saying every kid that can play division one can play here and do well, ratings don't mean nothing if you can't put the ball in the basket.

 

[Bluebl00d]

That's all well and good. But great coaches change and adapt. Nobody at BBN gives a damn about his five stars anymore because they are often underwhelming. We want guys that make shots.

Cals system is now incredibly flawed. Because he fails to get the best players now. So it's pointless. Boston deserves about as many minutes as Cam Fletcher at this junction. **** these guys ratings. Play the best players you have. It's quite that simple.

Cals system is old and outdated now. Adjust or we'll run you out of here. ****ing tired of these long athletic players that can't find the net. Imo if you can't shoot you shouldn't be a five star.

Stands to reason that he is not a great coach. He got lucky in figuring out that the best of the OADs could deliver on a deep run in March. This was more than a decade ago when other coaches viewed OADs as a headache and not worth the trouble.

He had success early by landing top recruits as we all know. However, other coaches including coach K caught on to that and started recruiting the best OADs aggressively themselves. That's why Cal doesn't pull in the best OADs anymore thus making his system outdated and defunct now.

It doesn't appear that Cal realizes that so far.

 

[DerekMcPwn]

How do you think Cal gets one of the top if not the number one recruiting class every year?

Magic?

He gets recruits by promising them a lot of minutes even if they underperform.

That's the story and it matches up to why
A) OADs keep getting big minutes

B) Allen, etc. have not got the chance to play until MS State because Cal had promised the minutes elsewhere

C) he spins a yarn about how it's all about the kids doing well in the NBA and that's why they get the minutes when in fact it's the only way he can deliver on recruiting

D) there is mass exodus of upper classmen because they will not get any minutes which will have been committed to incoming OADs

E) he is transactional in nature and not self-sacrificing martyr Mr. Goody Two shoes hurting the program and his coaching career by throwing games for kids gone in a year

F) he is a good recruiter but not a magician. He has to give something up to consistently get the number one recruiting class every year. What did you think that something was?

Prescient observations, you say?
Aww shucks, says I.

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Joined yesterday
Sh***ing on our head coach?

Yep, all checks out. Certified Super Real Kentucky Fan.

 

[BlueInBrooklyn]

This is literally the opposite of what every single recruit and their parents say.

 

[fs-ripcord65]

Stands to reason that he is not a great coach. . . .

THIS !
Setting aside recruiting ... no better than an average coach, at best. It's laughable that he's in the Hall of Fame !

 

[tmuck]

13 posts
Joined yesterday
Sh***ing on our head coach?

Yep, all checks out. Certified Super Real Kentucky Fan.

Yep!

I reported him. We'll see what happens.

 

[keefsopeng]

This is literally the opposite of what every single recruit and their parents say.

Of course but it is that what you believe? Have you used your eyes the last 12 years? Does it sound good to say that we were promised a starting spot, 30+ minutes, and a spot in the lottery? No, it doesn't it makes you appear entitled, weak, and arrogant. Now how does I've never been promised anything other than if I work my *** off and become one of the 5 best players on the team I'll get minutes and make the NBA sound? Hell of a lot better right? Have to keep up appearances and mold the narratives to fit and make the best possible stories. It's like some of you have never been around any kind of powerful people or situations in your life.

 

[Bluebl00d]

Of course but it is that what you believe? Have you used your eyes the last 12 years? Does it sound good to say that we were promised a starting spot, 30+ minutes, and a spot in the lottery? No, it doesn't it makes you appear entitled, weak, and arrogant. Now how does I've never been promised anything other than if I work my *** off and become one of the 5 best players on the team I'll get minutes and make the NBA sound? Hell of a lot better right? Have to keep up appearances and mold the narratives to fit and make the best possible stories. It's like some of you have never been around any kind of powerful people or situations in your life.

Excellent insight! Marketing is important in all facets of life.

 

[BlueInBrooklyn]

Of course but it is that what you believe? Have you used your eyes the last 12 years? Does it sound good to say that we were promised a starting spot, 30+ minutes, and a spot in the lottery? No, it doesn't it makes you appear entitled, weak, and arrogant. Now how does I've never been promised anything other than if I work my *** off and become one of the 5 best players on the team I'll get minutes and make the NBA sound? Hell of a lot better right? Have to keep up appearances and mold the narratives to fit and make the best possible stories. It's like some of you have never been around any kind of powerful people or situations in your life.

So every single recruit, high school coach, AAU coach, recruit's family, and the staff are lying in order to keep up appearances. But you know the truth. Because that's what you "believe." Got it. That definitely makes more sense.

 

[Lovebaskelball]

13 posts
Joined yesterday
Sh***ing on our head coach?

Yep, all checks out. Certified Super Real Kentucky Fan.

Yep!

I reported him. We'll see what happens.

Yep, ya'll show them trolls.

 

[Bluebl00d]

So every single recruit, high school coach, AAU coach, recruit's family, and the staff are lying in order to keep up appearances. But you know the truth. Because that's what you "believe." Got it. That definitely makes more sense.

Getting a bit melodramatic, are we not? I don't see every "single" one of them making a claim one way or another.

Besides, how else do you explain the 35+ minutes every single game for non-performing OADs? Don't see any other program doing that.

 

[Atrain7732]

Troll checklist:

Joined less than a week ago—check

All his posts bashing coaches and or players—check

Grade A doucher—check

That’s all.

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

Cal has always said that he never promises minutes or starting jobs to any recruit. Recruits/former players have echoed that same sentiment on multiple occasions.

I do think Cal has favored the OAD type players over the years when it comes to PT. Plenty of evidence of that. But it’s not because he promised that to them during recruiting. I think it’s because he wants to feed his ego...prove that his one&done philosophy is best. Plus, he has to make room for that next crop of 5 stars.

 

[wildcatdon]

He always says they have to earn it. And because no one sees practices, he can say Boston or Hagans or Clark were playing better than anyone else do they earned a starting role and all the time they can get. Cal is a fraud.

 

[Bluebl00d]

Yep!

I reported him. We'll see what happens.

What's the status on that? Any news?

 

[Atrain7732]

What's the status on that? Any news?

Well you are still squirming around here acting like you are a UK fan, so I suppose they haven’t given you the axe yet. It’s coming tho bud hang tight. Keep talking weak smack tho most of us think it’s more funny in a sad lonely kinda way than annoying.

 

[bkingUK]

It’s been pretty widely publicized that Calipari doesn’t promise minutes in recruiting pitches, throwing everything OP posted into doubt. Could he be promising minutes despite that? Maybe. But doubtful and no evidence provided.

 

[cats#1again]

Of course but it is that what you believe? Have you used your eyes the last 12 years? Does it sound good to say that we were promised a starting spot, 30+ minutes, and a spot in the lottery? No, it doesn't it makes you appear entitled, weak, and arrogant. Now how does I've never been promised anything other than if I work my *** off and become one of the 5 best players on the team I'll get minutes and make the NBA sound? Hell of a lot better right? Have to keep up appearances and mold the narratives to fit and make the best possible stories. It's like some of you have never been around any kind of powerful people or situations in your life.

The reason those kids play more is because they're superior athletes. It's easier to teach defense to a kid that can move faster, jump higher.
Even if you don't want to admit it Allen looked very hesitant and unsure of himself every time he had gotten in a game. Just like in local highschool basketball, you can't hide lack of confidence .
Allen was pretty highly rated out of highschool, it's not like he's a walk on.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

How do you think Cal gets one of the top if not the number one recruiting class every year?

Magic?

He gets recruits by promising them a lot of minutes even if they underperform.

That's the story and it matches up to why
A) OADs keep getting big minutes

B) Allen, etc. have not got the chance to play until MS State because Cal had promised the minutes elsewhere

C) he spins a yarn about how it's all about the kids doing well in the NBA and that's why they get the minutes when in fact it's the only way he can deliver on recruiting

D) there is mass exodus of upper classmen because they will not get any minutes which will have been committed to incoming OADs

E) he is transactional in nature and not self-sacrificing martyr Mr. Goody Two shoes hurting the program and his coaching career by throwing games for kids gone in a year

F) he is a good recruiter but not a magician. He has to give something up to consistently get the number one recruiting class every year. What did you think that something was?

Prescient observations, you say?
Aww shucks, says I.

Every recruit has said Cal promises them nothing. Are all of them lying?

 

[Looksbetterinblue]

Getting a bit melodramatic, are we not? I don't see every "single" one of them making a claim one way or another.

Besides, how else do you explain the 35+ minutes every single game for non-performing OADs? Don't see any other program doing that.

So if every recruit doesn’t develop like AD and takes some time, then it’s because Cal promised minutes. That’s pretty dumb dude. Cal is successful because he plays the best players and develops the best talent for later. It isn’t perfect and we may lose a few early- like in a pandemic year with limited practice and no pre-season, but no one is better at developing young players and getting the most out of them. No strategy is perfect, but his success speaks for itself.
BTW- Cal developed Allen too in case you missed it and helped put him in the right position to succeed. we aren’t even sure what Allen will be with more minutes, but he’s earning them- just like Cal promises ALL players.

 

[Bluebl00d]

Troll checklist:

Joined less than a week ago—check

All his posts bashing coaches and or players—check

Grade A doucher—check

That’s all.

Rather be a doucher than a douchebag - check.

Boy, the Cal pumpers are out in full force in this thread. Wonder which one is Meg - I hear she has the magic hands...

 

[armchairpg]

Cal has always said that he never promises minutes or starting jobs to any recruit. Recruits/former players have echoed that same sentiment on multiple occasions.

I do think Cal has favored the OAD type players over the years when it comes to PT. Plenty of evidence of that. But it’s not because he promised that to them during recruiting. I think it’s because he wants to feed his ego...prove that his one&done philosophy is best. Plus, he has to make room for that next crop of 5 stars.

usually player with a high ceiling + experience > player with average ceiling + experience

 

[Atrain7732]

Rather be a doucher than a douchebag - check.

Boy, the Cal pumpers are out in full force in this thread. Wonder which one is Meg - I hear she has the magic hands...

Yeah no one believes your crap.

Don’t have to be a Cal pumper to see you are an idiot and a troll.

 

[Dead Cat Bounce]

One consideration here that gets too little consideration: if the one-and-done era has proven anything, it's that college basketball is corrupt AF. Paying players or paying for players, providing sex workers, hiring relatives, housing families, creating fraudulent academic programs: that's how recruiting gets done and players get "degrees." Kansas, Louisville, Arizona, LSU, Carolina, and Duke have all been drug through the mud. IF* Cal can get similar results by appealing to players' dreams and promising to land them major NBA deals, I have absolutely no problem with that, even if it means guaranteeing minutes, even if it means some players get an brutally short leash, and even if in rare years, the results are badly uneven.

*I don't mean to be naive here, but it is remarkable that Cal's program among few others has been scandal free over the course of his tenure.

 

[Bluebl00d]

It’s been pretty widely publicized that Calipari doesn’t promise minutes in recruiting pitches, throwing everything OP posted into doubt. Could he be promising minutes despite that? Maybe. But doubtful and no evidence provided.

Check out the video of Cal in the locker room after the MS State game as Cal nervously tells players about cutting their minutes next time so Allen gets more.

He is shaky because he's reneging on an earlier commitment of promised minutes.

Why else would he even mention cutting PT right out the gate?
Because he's stressing over it.

 

[Bluebl00d]

One consideration here that gets too little consideration: if the one-and-done era has proven anything, it's that college basketball is corrupt AF. Paying players or paying for players, providing sex workers, hiring relatives, housing families, creating fraudulent academic programs: that's how recruiting gets done and players get "degrees." Kansas, Louisville, Arizona, LSU, Carolina, and Duke have all been drug through the mud. IF* Cal can get similar results by appealing to players' dreams and promising to land them major NBA deals, I have absolutely no problem with that, even if it means guaranteeing minutes, even if it means some players get an brutally short leash, and even if in rare years, the results are badly uneven.

*I don't mean to be naive here, but it is remarkable that Cal's program among few others has been scandal free over the course of his tenure.

That does put things in perspective. A lot of other coaches play fast and loose with the rules but a lot of them don't. Having said that, I know I've pulled a fast one here and there so I get it - as long as it doesn't hurt someone what difference does it make?

I hope Cal and the boys win some games and even win all the way in April. I'd just like to see him play guys who deserve to play because they are capable of delivering. When you see it from their perspective, don't you think it breaks their heart to sit on the bench when they should be the ones playing?

Saying they are on a short leash isn't good enough. It's easy to rationalize a lot of stuff away when it's inconvenient.

 

[cats#1again]

Check out the video of Cal in the locker room after the MS State game as Cal nervously tells players about cutting their minutes next time so Allen gets more.

He is shaky because he's reneging on an earlier commitment of promised minutes.

Why else would he even mention cutting PT right out the gate?
Because he's stressing over it.

This is tough to say because I don't get to say it so freely to most, but you my friend are a sure fire moron.
Thank you for that opportunity

 

[cats#1again]

If cal was "shaky" saying this is probably because we are 10 games in a season that we have stunk and he's telling other kids that want to play, " hey, y'all might not get as many mins as you've gotten". Nobody wants to hear bad news