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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Buckaineer" data-source="post: 131448728" data-attributes="member: 1428007">Well let's take a closer look at all this:1. Holgs went 0-3 to finish 2017.2. Holgs went 0-3 to Finish 2018.But Brown went 0-5 from 10/5-11/9 last year.3. He was 1-5 in B12 bowl games and 2-6 overall including getting blown out in his last 3 bowls.But Brown hasn't gotten WVU even close to sniffing a bowl.  Holgorsen's bowl record mirrored traditional results for WVU in bowl games.  Holgorsen faced bowl opponents several times with injured starting QBs, and/or players who left early for other opportunities.  Such as is last year when his Heisman contending QB did not play in the bowl.4. He never finished higher than third in B12 and finished in bottom half of b12 5 of 7 years.But Brown has only finished at #7 in the BIG 12.  Do you understand the level of play WVU faces in the BIG 12 to finish #3?  Every heard of Oklahoma?  OK State?  Texas?  Other schools like Baylor and TCU had some great years early on.  You act as though finishing higher should be easy for WVU.  Is it easy for a Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State to win the Big 10?  You have to have a sense of what WVU faced.  5. He could hire any D coordinator he wanted and chose Deforest. No wvu tie.Holgorsen promoted Deforest after the D coordinator at the time left abruptly too close to the season for WVU to get an established D coordinator.  When that didn't work out he was essentially forced to hire someone with WVU roots.  He wasn't free to hire whomever he wanted, the administration and boosters had to approve and fund it.6. He went 4-8 in 2013 - and got blown out by UM 37-0. That year was epically worse than NBs first year.That was a bad year no doubt.  But it wasn't worse than Brown's first year in which he had WVU horrible in about every football category, one year removed from WVU contending for a place in the BIG IIX championship game.  Brown lost so many games in a row it matched the most losses in a row in WVU history.  Brown was blown out 38-7 to 6-6 Missouri.  38-17 by a 4-8 Texas Tech.  52-14 by Oklahoma a year after WVU lost only 59-56 under Holgorsen7. In his first year inb12 he lost 5 straight and got blown out by cuse in bowl.WVU in its first year in the BIG 12 was not a team built to compete in that league.  The previous coach left a well documented depleted team.  It took years to build back up the roster.  The players and coaches had to learn new teams and coaches and also faced longer travel than ever before.  Its not remotely close to the team Brown inherited, a top 10 offense, a team that was ONE game away and 3 pts from playing for the BIG 12 championship and was very familiar with BIG 12 play/teams/coaches and travel.  Holgorsen had to go into a bowl against a top 15 Syracuse without his starting QB and multiple key offensive and defensive players.8. His double 0-3 finishes the last 2 years showed he was getting further from winning b12 than closer.No, it showed major injuries to key players, and players leaving early instead of playing bowls.  He won less that 7 games once.  Brown matched that in his first season at WVU, but he didn't inherit a scrub team.  The similar team Holgorsen inherited won a BIG EAST championship and a major bowl game.  Brown's product could barely manage 14 pts a game, while giving up much more.9. He had a contract here.  He got a job offer from Fertitta and CHOSE to leave his contract.Revisionist history.  Well documented Holgorsen wasn't offered anywhere near money or term that he desired.  Second time in a row that had happened and it was documented this hurt his attempts at recruiting drastically.  He  was constantly harassed and slandered and libeled by the know nothing hatemongers that wanted him gone from the day it was announced he was coming to WVU.He won the second most games for WVU in the HISTORY of the program, while facing more highly ranked teams than anyone in WVU history.  None of which the know nothings ever appreciated.</blockquote>

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