Break-up is inevitable

[Brushy Bill]

Ingraham: Historian Craig Shirley writes our country is in a vicious toxic relationship with itself. Like any toxic relationship, the only inevitable eventuality is that it will mercifully end with breakup. I don’t see any sort of viable path forward at the rate we’re going. Author and historian Craig Shirley joins me now. Is there really no path in your mind to reconciliation?

Shirley: No, I don’t think so, Laura. Look, we had national glue in the past to hold us together as a nation. We had Manifest Destiny, the Great Depression, we had wars and other activities. Covid should have been the national glue holding us together but it wasn’t. In fact, it drove us further apart. You saw states arguing with states, and states arguing with the national government about how to proceed, how to distribute vaccines. No, I don’t see any choice going forward. It may be a natural thing. Like a Brexit only in the United States, where states, blue states and red states, separate and have some type of friendly trading relationship or friendly transportation relationship, but they are all self-governed. Which is really what the founders intended in the first place.

 

[Brushy Bill]

@MountaineerWV

 

[oceantide83]

 

[cam_blev]

just a couple years ago I was told this type of idea was treasonous

 

[atlkvb]

If we separate into self governing entities tied by mutual trade watch how fast most of the Leftists move out those tax and spend "blue states" and migrate into "red states"? Oh wait, that's happening right now and we're still a Union!

My bad.

 

[NYC_Eer]

Ingraham: Historian Craig Shirley writes our country is in a vicious toxic relationship with itself. Like any toxic relationship, the only inevitable eventuality is that it will mercifully end with breakup. I don’t see any sort of viable path forward at the rate we’re going. Author and historian Craig Shirley joins me now. Is there really no path in your mind to reconciliation?

Shirley: No, I don’t think so, Laura. Look, we had national glue in the past to hold us together as a nation. We had Manifest Destiny, the Great Depression, we had wars and other activities. Covid should have been the national glue holding us together but it wasn’t. In fact, it drove us further apart. You saw states arguing with states, and states arguing with the national government about how to proceed, how to distribute vaccines. No, I don’t see any choice going forward. It may be a natural thing. Like a Brexit only in the United States, where states, blue states and red states, separate and have some type of friendly trading relationship or friendly transportation relationship, but they are all self-governed. Which is really what the founders intended in the first place.

LOL. Laura Ingraham.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

LOL. Laura Ingraham.

You might want to do more than giggle. The fact this is being openly discussed on prime time political talk shows should give anyone pause about just where we’re at. We’re moving closer to it, not away from it.

You might want to start considering what role and actions you can personally take to aid in pulling the country back from the abyss.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

lmao

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

lmao

Your scoffing at the notion just adds credence considering your track record of wrongness

 

[WVUALLEN]

You might want to do more than giggle. The fact this is being openly discussed on prime time political talk shows should give anyone pause about just where we’re at. We’re moving closer to it, not away from it.

You might want to start considering what role and actions you can personally take to aid in pulling the country back from the abyss.

They're just glad Trump is gone and their eyes are shut against the freedoms that will soon be gone. Their mask are over their eyes as well as mouth and nose. They are sheep of the puppet man.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

They're just glad Trump is gone and their eyes are shut against the freedoms that will soon be gone. Their mask are over their eyes as well as mouth and nose. They are sheep of the puppet man.

Honestly, I see it as just continued erosion of commonality and demonization of the other side to help push through your respective agenda.

The powder keg will erupt, and whoever hold the Govt power at the time gets to reshape the future. In my opinion, the left really wants to shape and push the agendas which ultimately gives freedom loving Americans no choice but to take their country back. When they’re in the minority in Govt, we saw what lengths they’ll go. They held major American cities under siege for months. One of them still is.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Your scoffing at the notion just adds credence considering your track record of wrongness

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Not at all. I’m just looking at society’s increased discussion on the matter. This wasn’t a discussion topic 20 years ago. The notion was unthinkable outside of Sovereign Citizens. It’s much more widely discussed now.

With the way social media is influencing the National conversations, we’re growing further a part. We no longer have a similar idea of what America is and what it should be with a difference on how to get there. We now diametrically opposing ideas on what the country is and should become. Do you not agree?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Not at all. I’m just looking at society’s increased discussion on the matter. This wasn’t a discussion topic 20 years ago. The notion was unthinkable outside of Sovereign Citizens. It’s much more widely discussed now.

With the way social media is influencing the National conversations, we’re growing further a part. We no longer have a similar idea of what America is and what it should be with a difference on how to get there. We now diametrically opposing ideas on what the country is and should become. Do you not agree?

No. I don't agree at all. Maybe you're just stuck inside a victimized echo chamber? As a whole, I see most people get along and agree with each other on most things or at least respect each other. Extremely online people get caught up in their fantasies. I think every generation hits the WE ARE RUINED AS A COUNTRY phase of their lives. Just like the music was real back in my day phase. While social media has brought crazies in contact with other crazies more easily, I think it's the same amount of crazy and in no way threatening to break up America. I feel sad that you guys hate Americans so much, but it doesn't concern me in any true way.

 

[30CAT]

I feel sad that you guys hate Americans so much

The only America-hating people out there, who can hurt our country, are the ones you voted for.

 

[cam_blev]

Not at all. I’m just looking at society’s increased discussion on the matter. This wasn’t a discussion topic 20 years ago. The notion was unthinkable outside of Sovereign Citizens. It’s much more widely discussed now.

With the way social media is influencing the National conversations, we’re growing further a part. We no longer have a similar idea of what America is and what it should be with a difference on how to get there. We now diametrically opposing ideas on what the country is and should become. Do you not agree?

If you find it interesting that people are starting to talk more about this, wait until people start talking more about Austrian Economics.
Succession, Bitcoin, Austrian Economics, personal property rights and civil liberties, these are all the same conversations. These are the ideas of hardcore libertarians and anarco-capitalists. It's not surprising the more controlling and authoritarian the government becomes that you see an equal opposite reaction in the other direction.

https://mises.org/

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

No. I don't agree at all. Maybe you're just stuck inside a victimized echo chamber? As a whole, I see most people get along and agree with each other on most things or at least respect each other. Extremely online people get caught up in their fantasies. I think every generation hits the WE ARE RUINED AS A COUNTRY phase of their lives. Just like the music was real back in my day phase. While social media has brought crazies in contact with other crazies more easily, I think it's the same amount of crazy and in no way threatening to break up America. I feel sad that you guys hate Americans so much, but it doesn't concern me in any true way.

I guess we just see things differently based on the National conscience. I don’t consider myself a victim, that seems to be a much more prevalent idea on the liberal left.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

If you find it interesting that people are starting to talk more about this, wait until people start talking more about Austrian Economics.
Succession, Bitcoin, Austrian Economics, personal property rights and civil liberties, these are all the same conversations. These are the ideas of hardcore libertarians and anarco-capitalists. It's not surprising the more controlling and authoritarian the government becomes that you see an equal opposite reaction in the other direction.

https://mises.org/

With the exception of BitCoin, not much has changed since Ron Paul became popular in 08 and 2012 and the Mises discussion began.. Except you have a counter to that crazy old man in Bernie Sanders and his crazy ideas.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I guess we just see things differently based on the National conscience. I don’t consider myself a victim, that seems to be a much more prevalent idea on the liberal left.

Right....yet you keep pushing or seeing a national break up. Ok. I agree, we see things differently. Good luck!

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Right....yet you keep pushing or seeing a national break up. Ok. I agree, we see things differently. Good luck!

I’m certainly not pushing, but I’m not sure how you can’t see that we’re closer now than at any point in modern history. It still may be a long way off, but feel free to list some examples of how we’re working towards the middle and not the outside edges.

 

[atlkvb]

No. I don't agree at all. Maybe you're just stuck inside a victimized echo chamber? As a whole, I see most people get along and agree with each other on most things or at least respect each other. Extremely online people get caught up in their fantasies. I think every generation hits the WE ARE RUINED AS A COUNTRY phase of their lives. Just like the music was real back in my day phase. While social media has brought crazies in contact with other crazies more easily, I think it's the same amount of crazy and in no way threatening to break up America. I feel sad that you guys hate Americans so much, but it doesn't concern me in any true way.

Then why were YOU so silent as you watched the previous administration undermine our Constitutional freedoms trying to overthrow a duly elected President? You kept your mouth closed as you saw blatant disregard for our most basic Constitutional rights. It was all OK to you because you didn't like the outcome. You're still silent as social media bans speech they don't like, the Government allows illegal citizens into the country in violation of our establish law, Corporations cancel economic commitments in order to virtue signal alleged voter suppression and we restrict American's freedom of choice over hyped up fear of a very controllable infectious disease.

You will reap what you sew. I hope your Freedom to be an imbecile is never taken away, but it just may be if you don't conform.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I’m certainly not pushing, but I’m not sure how you can’t see that we’re closer now than at any point in modern history. It still may be a long way off, but feel free to list some examples of how we’re working towards the middle and not the outside edges.

Sure. Go outside. Travel around and talk to people. Partisan crazies dominate the internet and the news, but not real life.

I get a kick out of your only pointing it out and not pushing it defense. Reminds me of the people that start out, hope I'm wrong, but...
:joy: :joy: :joy:

 

[atlkvb]

Sure. Go outside. Travel around and talk to people. Partisan crazies dominate the internet and the news, but not real life.

I get a kick out of your only pointing it out and not pushing it defense. Reminds me of the people that start out, hope I'm wrong, but...
:joy: :joy: :joy:

Hey Coop...was it illegal or legal for the Obama DOJ to spy on the Trump campaign and lie to the FISA courts in order to justify doing it?

Now you of course won't answer because you know the correct answer is it was ILLEGAL.

If you're still OK with that, then shut up about the Republic being divided because you Sir are part of the problem.

 

[atlkvb]

Maybe you're just stuck inside a victimized echo chamber? As a whole, I see most people get along and agree with each other on most things or at least respect each other.

How do you read the general back-n-fourth on this very forum and make this statement with a straight face?

Oh I almost forgot....you're a congenital liar so it comes as naturally to you as breathing does to most folks. [eyeroll]

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Sure. Go outside. Travel around and talk to people. Partisan crazies dominate the internet and the news, but not real life.

I get a kick out of your only pointing it out and not pushing it defense. Reminds me of the people that start out, hope I'm wrong, but...
:joy: :joy: :joy:

I do talk to people. Then, I look at what they’re electing and the agenda of those policies.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

gatewaypundit

1h·
"She Looks Like Madonna's Grandmother" - Jill Biden Roasted For Sporting Pair of Trashy Fishnet Stockings with Short Leather Skirt

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/looks-like-madon

 

[cam_blev]

Sure. Go outside. Travel around and talk to people. Partisan crazies dominate the internet and the news, but not real life.

I get a kick out of your only pointing it out and not pushing it defense. Reminds me of the people that start out, hope I'm wrong, but...
:joy: :joy: :joy:

Travel around with or without a mask on? I bet they will treat you differently if you aren't following orders from our rulers. And god forbid if it gets to the point they ask to see your vaccine passport before attending an event.

 

[NYC_Eer]

You might want to do more than giggle. The fact this is being openly discussed on prime time political talk shows should give anyone pause about just where we’re at. We’re moving closer to it, not away from it.

You might want to start considering what role and actions you can personally take to aid in pulling the country back from the abyss.

What role are you playing? I really see you moving toward the middle.

 

[roadtrasheer]

gatewaypundit

1h·
"She Looks Like Madonna's Grandmother" - Jill Biden Roasted For Sporting Pair of Trashy Fishnet Stockings with Short Leather Skirt

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/looks-like-madon

Wood......
Thinking maybe momma Biden a little slutty. Nothing wrong with that ..

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

What role are you playing? I really see you moving toward the middle.

I’m not moving to the middle. There is nothing I even want to compromise with the left on right now. Their agenda is that bad to me. I just want them to lose and lose badly.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Travel around with or without a mask on? I bet they will treat you differently if you aren't following orders from our rulers. And god forbid if it gets to the point they ask to see your vaccine passport before attending an event.

:joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I do talk to people. Then, I look at what they’re electing and the agenda of those policies.

And then race to the interwebs and "see" a split coming! :joy::joy: Best of luck to you in the coming wars!!

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

And then race to the interwebs and "see" a split coming! :joy::joy: Best of luck to you in the coming wars!!

Thanks!

 

[cam_blev]

:joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:

Seems like pretty decisive points to me, you don't have any thoughts on that? Or does that only only happen on the internet?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Seems like pretty decisive points to me, you don't have any thoughts on that? Or does that only only happen on the internet?

Being butthurt about the mask is mostly on the Internet. Occasional dust ups IRL, but it does not control near the oxygen and tears that consume you on here. At least, from my perspective. I hope your nightmare will soon be over and on to your next grievance.

 

[NYC_Eer]

I’m not moving to the middle. There is nothing I even want to compromise with the left on right now. Their agenda is that bad to me. I just want them to lose and lose badly.

So, then what exactly is your role to pull the country from the abyss? If you don't believe you have one other than believe what you already believe, its more than a little hypocritical to ask others to do something differently.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

So, then what exactly is your role to pull the country from the abyss? If you don't believe you have one other than believe what you already believe, its more than a little hypocritical to ask others to do something differently.

To sound the alarm on the interwebs.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

So, then what exactly is your role to pull the country from the abyss? If you don't believe you have one other than believe what you already believe, its more than a little hypocritical to ask others to do something differently.

I’m literally just pointing out the reality of where we are as a nation. I’m not rooting for it, I’m not condemning it. I’m ambivalent towards it. The point I’m making is simply we’re that far a part, these days. If you care, do something, if you don’t, don’t be ignorant to what inaction is. Recognize and analyze the policy, not the behavior. All of you guys are the getting pissed on and accepting the rain narrative.

 

[atlkvb]

I’m literally just pointing out the reality of where we are as a nation. I’m not rooting for it, I’m not condemning it. I’m ambivalent towards it. The point I’m making is simply we’re that far a part, these days. If you care, do something, if you don’t, don’t be ignorant to what inaction is. Recognize and analyze the policy, not the behavior. All of you guys are the getting pissed on and accepting the rain narrative.

The Left wants to see America end as we know it. If they have to destroy it first to make that happen, they're OK with it. Me too actually. Because once it is destroyed by their reckless policies, we get to start all over again and they thankfully will have no more say on what the replacment will be. We will have their record of failure to point out as something to avoid.

 

[WVU82_rivals]