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This is going to get a lot worse I'm afraid. Possible loss of a top prospect in Maitan. It is so strange because you heard absolutely nothing about investigation or how poorly Coppy was thought of. I guess a silver lining is that the next GM is walking into a great situation regardless of what happens with KM.
 
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I'm not sure what you are referring to. He did well as far as stocking the cupboard. It's a miracle the big club hasn't been worse. His problem was apparently being too big of a dick/aggressive and got turned in.
 
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msstate7;1390324 said:
#1 farm system in mlb... I’d say it was effective. Hopefully we don’t lose maitan or more
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And, the Braves finished .. ONLY 25 back!
 
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msstate7 said:
#1 farm system in mlb...
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Too bad the only thing anyone cares about is how the big team is doing. The farm system has supposedly been good for years. But the big team always sucks. For what it's worth, the AAA team was 71-71. The AA team was DFL at 58-80. And the A-Advanced team was DFL at 48-81. I think I'm starting to see a pattern here.
 
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The farm system has only been good for a couple years (since the major trades after 2014). Last year multiple levels of MiLB were in playoffs, since you used that as example. However, records of minor league clubs are no indication of a strong farm system.

When you have to do a complete rebuild, yes your team is going to suck. See the Cubs when Theo arrived and the very recent past of the Astros. It's just how it goes.

Whatever is said of the guy, he has done a good job setting things up.
 
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The fact is, no one really knows yet how good the farm system is. It's too early. While records aren't the only indication of how good a farm system is, they are a factor. I remember when that great Mets group came through Jackson back when I was a kid. They absolutely destroyed the Texas League those years.
 
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I'll agree with you there. The way it's set up is high risk/high reward. In order for this to work, a few of these young arms have to hit and pitching is volatile. If it does pan out, you save a lot of money that can be spent on bats. If Acuna and Maitan are as good as they appear to be, then it could be set up for another long run, provided Allard, Soroka, Anderson, Touki somewhat realize potential. It'll be a good case study for years either way.
 
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Dr. Funke said:
I'll agree with you there. The way it's set up is high risk/high reward. In order for this to work, a few of these young arms have to hit and pitching is volatile. If it does pan out, you save a lot of money that can be spent on bats. If Acuna and Maitan are as good as they appear to be, then it could be set up for another long run, provided Allard, Soroka, Anderson, Touki somewhat realize potential. It'll be a good case study for years either way.
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Or Wilson, weigel, Wright, gohara, and wentz. Don’t forget pache, waters, Jackson, and even riley as position guys. The fact is the braves are gonna be really good... only a matter of how soon now
 
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A big part of the reason why the records were pretty bad in the MiLB was because of super-aggressive promotions throughout the system. Last year, for example, Rome was a beast. If they had moved all the prospects up to Advanced A, that team may have rolled through the Florida State League.

Instead, 60% of the '16 Rome rotation (Allard, Fried, and Soroka) skipped Advanced A altogether. The best position player, Acuna, was only there for a couple of months. Gohara and Touki were only there for a few months. Fried and Gohara ended up in Atlanta and Acuna finished at AAA. 60% of the starting rotation for AA Mississippi was 5 years younger than the league average age. Acuna was 7 years younger than the league average age for AAA. The 1 team they didn't aggressively promote from, Rome, finished 9 games above .500.

Minor league records have no bearing on the quality of a farm system when you're promoting players as fast and as often as the Braves did this year.
 
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Bringing up players too aggressively is stupid and hurts their development. You can ruin a prospect like that.
 
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SanfordRJones said:
A big part of the reason why the records were pretty bad in the MiLB was because of super-aggressive promotions throughout the system. Last year, for example, Rome was a beast. If they had moved all the prospects up to Advanced A, that team may have rolled through the Florida State League.

Instead, 60% of the '16 Rome rotation (Allard, Fried, and Soroka) skipped Advanced A altogether. The best position player, Acuna, was only there for a couple of months. Gohara and Touki were only there for a few months. Fried and Gohara ended up in Atlanta and Acuna finished at AAA. 60% of the starting rotation for AA Mississippi was 5 years younger than the league average age. Acuna was 7 years younger than the league average age for AAA. The 1 team they didn't aggressively promote from, Rome, finished 9 games above .500.

Minor league records have no bearing on the quality of a farm system when you're promoting players as fast and as often as the Braves did this year.
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Speaking of young guys... I don’t think Ozzie Albies has ever faced a pitcher younger than him and he’s the braves’ starting 2b. Pretty cool
 
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In a vacuum, I sort of agree. I wouldn't say it's stupid moreso than it's very risky.

It doesn't look like Acuna, Allard, Soroka, Fried, Gohara, Touissant, Riley, or Jackson had their development hurt by their aggressive promotions. Acuna's numbers improved at each stop, and he will probably be the opening day right fielder in Atlanta next year. Allard and Soroka were solid all year and dominated at times. Allard's last start was a 1-hit complete game (7 innings) shutout and one of the more dominant pitching performances I've seen live. Touissant was very solid after his promotion. Riley was the best hitter at Mississippi after his promotion, and Jackson was probably the 2nd best. Fried and Gohara both passed the eye test with Atlanta. My 1 concern with all these guys going forward is Jackson's receiving, but it's honestly probably easier for him to improve that skill catching more advanced AA pitchers than in A ball catching guys who are supposed to have less command.

I might be cherry picking examples where it worked out this year, but I went to about 20 M-Braves games, and I can't think of a single player who was aggressively promoted into or out of Mississippi that didn't perform well after their promotion.
 
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