Big 10 Refs

[richthedentist]

With Rutgers being in the thick of things this year I have watched a lot of big games not just Rutgers.
The disparity in not just Rutgers games but overall of home vs road teams of calls is astounding to me I don’t have the exact numbers but boy in many of the games the home teams seem to get the calls.
Also the number of missed calls such as travels etc is also amazing
Does anyone know if there is a commissioner for the refs how they are reviewed etc? Because if these refs are the best they can do! Wow

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

140 possessions in each game....I'll bet each game there are 30 or so real tough calls to be made.

Officials are fine. It all balances out.

Nothing to see here.

 

[RUChoppin]

My concern about the B1G officiating is how it prepares the conference teams for the NCAA tournament. All season, a lot of the star bigs in the conference have been given free rein to be very physical without the ball - especially when setting screens or battling under the basket. There's also been a ton of contact by all players while defending penetrating guards.

How do B1G teams fare in the tournament if they catch refs from other conferences who have a tighter whistle? Do guys like Garza and Wesson end up riding the pine for 2/3 of the game in foul trouble?

While it's "B1G Basketball" with regard to physicality of play on defense and a "no harm no foul" whistle, what happens outside the confines of the conference?

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

I have mentioned this in a couple of threads and it's clear to me that now RU (as a program) is now getting the 50/50 calls as a home team that we didn't get prior to this year.

And, people can ignore the obvious but the leagues as a whole, benefit by having as many teams win games they're "supposed to" win. The Mathis drive for a layup vs Wisconsin would have been a definite "And-1", if that was a home game, so were a couple of non-calls late, during RUs rally.

I can't claim to have watched as many Big 12 or SEC games as B1G, ACC, Big East, but there's a huge difference. And it would be foolish for league commissioners, to have their rotation of referees, make calls against Indiana vs Penn State at home yesterday, when getting as many teams into the NCAA tournament discussion matters to each league.

 

[littlenis5]

I’ll preface this by saying I don’t think the refs are responsible for our losses. BUT.

The lack of a consistent whistle is extremely frustrating. Montez will drive into traffic and draw clear contact and not get anything, and then a player from the other team will get grazed on the other end and is shooting free throws. The inconsistent enforcement of moving screens is abysmal, especially on off ball screens where other teams seem to be coached to hold players.

I know Pikiell hates giving away the free throws, but at some point he has to get a technical foul. The B1G refs respond to it and his players will too.

 

[RUfanSinceAnderson]

140 possessions in each game....I'll bet each game there are 30 or so real tough calls to be made.

Officials are fine. It all balances out.

Nothing to see here.

Post in game thread !

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Post in game thread !

This is a rational discussion and not a new thread from a whining fan of why we are bad in a particular game.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

My concern about the B1G officiating is how it prepares the conference teams for the NCAA tournament. All season, a lot of the star bigs in the conference have been given free rein to be very physical without the ball - especially when setting screens or battling under the basket. There's also been a ton of contact by all players while defending penetrating guards.

How do B1G teams fare in the tournament if they catch refs from other conferences who have a tighter whistle? Do guys like Garza and Wesson end up riding the pine for 2/3 of the game in foul trouble?

While it's "B1G Basketball" with regard to physicality of play on defense and a "no harm no foul" whistle, what happens outside the confines of the conference?

B1G is 22 out of 32 in FT rate so maybe there is some truth to this concern.

http://www.barttorvik.com/?sort=9&b...=1&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0&quad=5&rpi=#

 

[highsoxguy]

I've never, ever seen so many clear travel violations NOT called than this season...it's beyond absurd.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

yikes it goes to 30 out of 32 in conference only games

28.9% vs D1 33.2%

 

[Erial_Lion_rivals140457]

Keep in mind that these "Big 10" refs are also doing games in other conferences, and will be doing NCAA games. Bo did Purdue and MSU NCAA games last year, DJ worked a Purdue game, Scirotto did a Michigan game, Pfeifer did a Michigan game, etc.

The other thing to note is how many of these guys we see in the Big Ten are working in the second weekend of the NCAAs, or even at the Final Four. We might think that they are missing a lot of calls, but those assignors at the NCAA are evaluating them pretty highly vs. their peers.

 

[RUChoppin]

Keep in mind that these "Big 10" refs are also doing games in other conferences, and will be doing NCAA games. Bo did Purdue and MSU NCAA games last year, DJ worked a Purdue game, Scirotto did a Michigan game, Pfeifer did a Michigan game, etc.

The other thing to note is how many of these guys we see in the Big Ten are working in the second weekend of the NCAAs, or even at the Final Four. We might think that they are missing a lot of calls, but those assignors at the NCAA are evaluating them pretty highly vs. their peers.

But it doesn't take much. One ref can whistle Garza twice early in a game, and suddenly Iowa is in a first-weekend dogfight they weren't expecting. Same with Wesson, Tillman, Smith, Reuvers, or Stevens.... all key cogs in the offenses of our higher-seeded teams.

If the style of officiating in the first weekend of the tourney is markedly different than what B1G teams have grown accustomed to over the last 19+ games, that can put key players on the bench - or even just take them out of their usual game.

 

[RUChoppin]

Look at the 15 highest-scoring players in the B1G this year.... and 9/15 are bigs.

23.7 - Luka Garza, Iowa (C)
19.7 - Daniel Oturu, Minnesota (C)
18.3 - Cassius Winston, Michigan State (G)
18.0 - Lamar Stevens, Penn State (F)
16.4 - Anthony Cowan, Maryland (G)
16.2 - Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois (G)
15.4 - Marcus Carr, Minnesota (G)
15.1 - Jalen Smith, Maryland (F)
14.9 - Joe Wieskamp, Iowa (G)
14.1 - Myreon Jones, Penn State (G)
14.1 - Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana (F)
14.0 - Kaleb Wesson, Ohio State (F)
13.7 - Nate Reuvers, Wisconsin (F)
13.6 - Xavier Tillman, Michigan State (F)
13.6 - Kofi Cockburn, Illinois (F)

Look at the SEC and 13/15 are guards. In the B12, 11/15 are guards. Big East, 10/15 are guards. ACC and Pac-12 8/15 are guards.

B1G is the only power conference where the majority of the top scorers are bigs. A tight whistle underneath, and offenses are going to have to shift to more guard-focused approaches that they may not have really been pursuing for much of the year.

 

[wheezer]

My concern about the B1G officiating is how it prepares the conference teams for the NCAA tournament. All season, a lot of the star bigs in the conference have been given free rein to be very physical without the ball - especially when setting screens or battling under the basket. There's also been a ton of contact by all players while defending penetrating guards.

How do B1G teams fare in the tournament if they catch refs from other conferences who have a tighter whistle? Do guys like Garza and Wesson end up riding the pine for 2/3 of the game in foul trouble?

While it's "B1G Basketball" with regard to physicality of play on defense and a "no harm no foul" whistle, what happens outside the confines of the conference?

a player and a team should adjust to the tightness or looseness of the calls.... if Garza gets an early whistle on something he was doing game after game, he should adjust..... unfortunately it often takes the second whistle for it to sink in

some eastern teams will be shipped out west, and vice versa, and there is a chance teams get officials they have either not had before, or limited exposure....

everybody is subject to that unknown, and every team does try to play physical....or that would not have gotten very far.

 

[RUChoppin]

a player and a team should adjust to the tightness or looseness of the calls.... if Garza gets an early whistle on something he was doing game after game, he should adjust..... unfortunately it often takes the second whistle for it to sink in

some eastern teams will be shipped out west, and vice versa, and there is a chance teams get officials they have either not had before, or limited exposure....

everybody is subject to that unknown, and every team does try to play physical....or that would not have gotten very far.

I don't disagree... but if your success has been predicated on a certain style of play, changing the way you play can lead to lower production. That goes on the player level as well as the team level. Iowa's strategy has largely been "give the ball to Garza and let him bully people inside".... if he can't do that, they have to change their approach to something they may not be as comfortable with, and either rely on Garza to succeed with a different style of ball or rely on others to step up and fill the scoring gap.

The B1G relies on bigs more than other conferences... if their bigs can't operate the way they have been since the start of 2020, they may find themselves at a disadvantage against a team that is more guard-oriented.

 

[wheezer]

I don't disagree... but if your success has been predicated on a certain style of play, changing the way you play can lead to lower production. That goes on the player level as well as the team level. Iowa's strategy has largely been "give the ball to Garza and let him bully people inside".... if he can't do that, they have to change their approach to something they may not be as comfortable with, and either rely on Garza to succeed with a different style of ball or rely on others to step up and fill the scoring gap.

The B1G relies on bigs more than other conferences... if their bigs can't operate the way they have been since the start of 2020, they may find themselves at a disadvantage against a team that is more guard-oriented.

I think we agree here....Garza gets an early whistle, then another....the "bully people inside" is a no go....... I would think that Iowa has had games where this might have happened, don't follow the details of their games...... so naturally they would have to adapt or he would be out of the game early

 

[richthedentist]

I've never, ever seen so many clear travel violations NOT called than this season...it's beyond absurd.

That is what amazes me there were 7 blatant travels by Illinois in the game at the RAC before they called one; Cockburn every tiem he gets the ball does a two step but not just that game its amazing Simpson takes 4 steps in the game at the RAC not 3 steps but 4 steps and nothing is called

 

[Mr_Twister]

All of this would hold more water if Coach Pikiell’s and the staff’s sideline antics aligned with what’s being written here. I don’t think that’s the case. What is our tally of bench technicals this season? Jim Calhoun, Pikiell’s mentor, was not shy about working and whining to refs.

 

[rutobs]

I’ll preface this by saying I don’t think the refs are responsible for our losses. BUT.

The lack of a consistent whistle is extremely frustrating. Montez will drive into traffic and draw clear contact and not get anything, and then a player from the other team will get grazed on the other end and is shooting free throws. The inconsistent enforcement of moving screens is abysmal, especially on off ball screens where other teams seem to be coached to hold players.

I know Pikiell hates giving away the free throws, but at some point he has to get a technical foul. The B1G refs respond to it and his players will too.

I hate these conversations regarding refereeing and their impact on games, but I have to agree that the Wisconsin game stands out a bit. I thought Pike had a very good game plan in the first half taking the ball to the hoop, and man, there calls that could have or should have been made here. That really hurt us not getting some obvious calls when they were hitting their 3's; that changed the game.

Now, to be fair, Wisconsin played some very good defense, and we caused some of our own turnovers in that first half, but if a few calls are made, that first half score could have had us down only by 5 or 6. Really hurt us there.

Just have to go find a win in the next 3 games