Baylor Axes Baseball coach after 21 seasons

[Mantis Toboggin M.D.]

Baylor announced that Steve Smith will not return as head coach next year.

 

[engie]

So tell me about your example coach and your example school -- 2004 to 2005. What happened? If only they had fired him there for one losing season...

lol at the bad trolling

 

[8dog]

Steve smith is sick. Hope the best for him.

As a dr i would have thought you would have known that.

 

[Dawg1976]

They must have not gotten the memo, you can't fire a coach after one bad season. Or maybe that's just a memo going around MSU.

 

[engie]

They must have not gotten the memo, you can't fire a coach after one bad season. Or maybe that's just a memo going around MSU.

They fired a coach for one bad season? Oh wait...

 

[Lee Corso]

And Steve coached here back in 1990. He's from Gulfport.

 

[grimedawg1]

I actually think Baylor has had 3 losing seasons in a row.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Did not realize it had been that bad,

But, it's all about the trends.

Where have you been?, where are you now?, where do WE see you going?

NEXT!

 

[QuaoarsKing]

This was his 3rd consecutive season below .500. So Baylor was even more lenient with him than we would be with Cohen.

Swing and a miss.

 

[HD6]

When trolling goes wrong.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

They must have not gotten the memo, you can't fire a coach after one bad season. Or maybe that's just a memo going around MSU.

Try three... But let's not bring facts into this.

View attachment 2006

Two losing seasons, followed by 23-32 in 2015. Hardly one bad season.

 

[Ace-Leroy]

So tell me about your example coach and your example school -- 2004 to 2005. What happened? If only they had fired him there for one losing season...

lol at the bad trolling

Didn't Smith go 13-12 in conference in 04? That is a lot different than 8-22.

 

[hatfieldms]

This thread really worked out well for you

*****

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

The dog ate his homework.

 

[engie]

Didn't Smith go 13-12 in conference in 04? That is a lot different than 8-22.

Smith didn't play in the SEC. And obviously couldn't win nonconference games. He was "clearly" done at that point by the metrics chosen for the thread. Yet he went to the CWS the very next season.

 

[Dawg1976]

Ok. So the moral to the story is...... Cohen will have to have 3 straight losing seasons before he is fired. Nice.

 

[engie]

Ok. So the moral to the story is...... Cohen will have to have 3 straight losing seasons before he is fired. Nice.

Would you consider logical analysis or reading comprehension to be your stronger trait?**

 

[DerHntr]

Baylor announced that Steve Smith will not return as head coach next year.

Edited out the rest of your post. Too hot in the kitchen?

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

Ok. So the moral to the story is...... Cohen will have to have 3 straight losing seasons before he is fired. Nice.

Who said that? I think everyone agrees that Cohen should be gone if we miss a regional next year.

 

[KurtRambis4]

That's a good point

oh well, other than it being completely wrong and dumb.

 

[Ace-Leroy]

Smith didn't play in the SEC. And obviously couldn't win nonconference games. He was "clearly" done at that point by the metrics chosen for the thread. Yet he went to the CWS the very next season.

He should have scheduled a bunch of patsy nonconference teams and played them all at home.

 

[engie]

He should have scheduled a bunch of patsy nonconference teams and played them all at home.

yeah. And gone to a CWS finals. Then he needed to be fired sooner!

 

[Ace-Leroy]

yeah. And gone to a CWS finals. Then he needed to be fired sooner!

I disagree with your comparison of Smith's 04 season with Cohen's season this year. They are far from the same. Smith's team that year finished 6th out of 10 teams in their conference ,had a winning record in the conference , made the conference tourney and won 2 games in it.

Cohen , this year , finished 14 out of 14, had not only a losing record but finished 14 games below .500 , and missed the conference tourney. And ended the season losing 18 of 21, the worst streak in MSU baseball history.

Smith's 04 season was nowhere near as bad as Cohen's was this year.

 

[engie]

I disagree with your comparison of Smith's 04 season with Cohen's season this year. They are far from the same. Smith's team that year finished 6th out of 10 teams in their conference ,had a winning record in the conference , made the conference tourney and won 2 games in it.

Cohen , this year , finished 14 out of 14, had not only a losing record but finished 14 games below .500 , and missed the conference tourney. And ended the season losing 18 of 21, the worst streak in MSU baseball history.

Smith's 04 season was nowhere near as bad as Cohen's was this year.

Sub .500 was the benchmark. I'm not at all surprised that you are now trying to move those goalposts.

Let me guess. John Savage's season last year was nowhere near as bad as Cohen's this year either. Another bad example? Or is that outside of your goalposts as well?

 

[Ace-Leroy]

Sub .500 was the benchmark. I'm not at all surprised that you are now trying to move those goalposts.

Let me guess. John Savage's season last year was nowhere near as bad as Cohen's this year either. Another bad example? Or is that outside of your goalposts as well?

I'm not moving anything. I didn't set the benchmark at .500.

You are the one who compared Smith's 04 season with Cohen's season this year. I am arguing that they are not even close to the same.

Cohen's season this year was considerably worse than Smith's 04 season. Do you disagree with that? I bet you can't or won't even answer that simple question because it does not fit your agenda. Prove me wrong. All you gotta do is answer yes or no , Was Cohen's season this year worse than Smith's 04 season or not? You gotta have an opinion on it?

 

[engie]

I'm not moving anything. I didn't set the benchmark at .500.

Yet you chose the thread where .500 was the clear(pre-edit, which you read) benchmark to make your argument. So, yes, you agreed to that benchmark when you attempted to call me out. Otherwise, you would have noted your disagreement at the time.

You are the one who compared Smith's 04 season with Cohen's season this year.

No. I'm the one that called the OP an idiot for basically saying you should fire a guy for one losing year. While citing his own example against him(note HIS example -- not the one I would have chosen on my own). Your attempted spin as if I'm the aggressor with this thought line is humorous. Not much more.

I am arguing that they are not even close to the same.

They were pretty damn close to the same by most logical benchmarks.

Cohen's season this year was considerably worse than Smith's 04 season. Do you disagree with that? I bet you can't or won't even answer that simple question because it does not fit your agenda. Prove me wrong. All you gotta do is answer yes or no , Was Cohen's season this year worse than Smith's 04 season or not? You gotta have an opinion on it?

How convenient that you want me to answer your question -- while at the very same time ducking my question about John Savage.

Regardless. Even if you want to argue all damn day that our "low" is lower -- Steve Smith, in spite of rebounding to make a CWS the very next year, never coached in an 17ing CWS finals. So, our highs are obviously higher. CWS FINALS. It's the ultimate trump card.

 

[Ace-Leroy]

They were pretty damn close to the same by most logical benchmarks.


How convenient that you want me to answer your question -- while at the very same time ducking my question about John Savage.

This is where We disagree. I don't think being 1 game over .500 is "pretty damn close to the same" as being 14 games below .500.

And I don't mind answering you. No , I do not think Savage's season last year was as bad as Cohen's was this year.

To be clear , are you going on record to say Smith's 04 season was as bad as Cohen's was this year? I just want to know where you stand? You think a game over .500 in conference is "damn close" to being 14 games under .500?

 

[Dawg1976]

Both. Let me ask you something. Since you are a big Cohen fan, what will you have to see next year or the year after for Cohen to be fired? On the flip side, I believe if Cohen has a winning season and doesn't finish last in the SEC, but just falls short of making a regional he will be safe for another year. I know a lot think he will have to make a regional at the minimum. I'm not so sure due to the number of his loyal fans.

 

[engie]

Both. Let me ask you something. Since you are a big Cohen fan, what will you have to see next year or the year after for Cohen to be fired? On the flip side, I believe if Cohen has a winning season and doesn't finish last in the SEC, but just falls short of making a regional he will be safe for another year. I know a lot think he will have to make a regional at the minimum. I'm not so sure due to the number of his loyal fans.

He has to make a regional to be safe. Has to host for me to be happy. Next year has been the next "arrival" year circled on the calendar for me for 2 years now. But then again, I was the idiot that thought we were a top 10 team leading into 2013 too...

 

[Ace-Leroy]

Both. Let me ask you something. Since you are a big Cohen fan, what will you have to see next year or the year after for Cohen to be fired? On the flip side, I believe if Cohen has a winning season and doesn't finish last in the SEC, but just falls short of making a regional he will be safe for another year. I know a lot think he will have to make a regional at the minimum. I'm not so sure due to the number of his loyal fans.

Should simply making a regional keep him safe? I would set the bar a little higher than that.

 

[I_Love_My_Mommy]

Both. Let me ask you something. Since you are a big Cohen fan, what will you have to see next year or the year after for Cohen to be fired? On the flip side, I believe if Cohen has a winning season and doesn't finish last in the SEC, but just falls short of making a regional he will be safe for another year. I know a lot think he will have to make a regional at the minimum. I'm not so sure due to the number of his loyal fans.

Oh he's definitely going to have to at least "make" a regional in my book.