BAC'S FIRST NCAA TOURNAMENT BUBBLE ANALYSIS

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Okay everyone its that time of the year again. Bac's first look at the NCAA tournament bubble.

Here are the 32 projected automatic bid winners...


AMERICA EAST: Albany

AMERICAN: SMU

ATLANTIC 10: VCU

ACC: Virginia

ATLANTIC SUN: Florida Gulf Coast

BIG 12: Kansas

BIG EAST: Villanova

BIG SKY: Sacremento State

BIG SOUTH: High Point

BIG 10: Wisconsin

BIG WEST: UC Davis

COLONIAL: Northeastern

CUSA: Louisiana Tech

HORIZON: Valparaiso

IVY: Harvard

MAAC: Iona

MAC: Central Michigan

MEAC: North Carolina Central

MVC: Northern Iowa

MWC: San Diego State

NEC: St Francis NY

OHIO VALLEY: Murray State

PAC 12: Arizona

PATRIOT: Bucknell

SEC: Kentucky

SOUTHERN: Wofford

SOUTHLAND: Sam Houston State

SWAC: Alabama State

SUMMIT: South Dakota State

SUN BELT: Georgia Southern

WCC: Gonzaga



15 schools that I have identified as at large locks....



Duke, Notre Dame, Louisville, North Carolina, Iowa State, Baylor, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Maryland, Wichita State, Utah, Arkansas, Georgetown, Providence, Butler.



that takes care of 47 of the 68 bids. I will give a conference by conference breakdown on the bubble team....I have identified 33 schools competing for 21 at large bids.


ACC


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(48) NORTH CAROLINA STATE 16-11: Wolfpack midseason skid was halted by a huge road win at Louisville that put them back on the right side of the bubble. Resume has some nice things on it. The feather in their cap win over Duke, wins over bubbles Pitt and Boise State, plus a win over CUSA leader La Tech. They have just one loss outside the top 100. The SOS is a sparkling third in the country. 4-6 vs top 50 and 7-10 vs top 100 seem solid enough. NC State must avoid danger of the 3 road stretch at UNC, at BC and at Clemson before they take on Syracuse. Need a split of those 4 to stay safe.



OUT



(36) PITTSBURGH 17-10: Overall just a meh resume for Pitt this year. Yes they did beat Notre Dame and UNC but their best non conference wins were Kansas State and Florida Gulf Coast. Just 2-7 vs top 50 and 4-8 vs the top 100, the Panthers seem pretty bubblicious this year. Note the 4-8 road/neutral mark as well. They simply need to pick up some more quality wins. Unfortunately their last 4 games of BC/Wake/Miami/FSU do not offer much. The Miami game might be a bubble showdown but Pitt probably needs to do some damage in the ACC tourney beating one of the big guns.



(66) MIAMI 17-10: Hurricanes came oh so close to winning at Louisville which would have moved them into the field but for now remain out. The good news is that they get another shot at a big win when they host UNC followed by a bubble showdown at Pitt. They just need something else to go along with that huge overflowing win at Duke earlier in the year. Wins vs NC State and Ilinois were nice but 2-5 vs top 50 and just 6-6 vs top 100 with a SOS of 76 is pretty middling. Note more than a few bad losses...Eastern Kentucky, Wake, Ga Tech, FSU. There are enough reason to leave them out but opportunity still exists.





AAC



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(31) TEMPLE 19-9: Owls 7 game win streak and a chance to shore up their resume ended in a thud as they were stymied on the road vs league leading SMU and Tulsa. It did not knock them out yet but it did raise questions given there are some things lacking. Just 1-4 vs top 25, a woeful 2-7 vs top 50 and a so so 6-8 vs top 100. Also note its playing in a conference that simply isn't respected all that much. Rated 8th in the country, you wonder how many bids the AAC will get considering the snub SMU got last year. They probably get 3 but with Tulsa and Cincy in contention, the Owls better take care of weak sisters like Houston and ECU but beating a down UConn is very important as well. The early win at Kansas is their feather in their cap but can be overlooked if they don't finish strong.



(50) CINCINNATI 18-9: While Cincy's overall rpi and SOS is not as good as Temple's and they don't have a win as strong as the Owls they may actually have the edge over the Owls. Here is why. Both teams split the series with each other but here is the key. Cincy swept league leading SMU the only school to beat the Mustangs. The Bearcats also have a win over MWC leader San Diego State and at bubble NC State. 3-1 vs top 25.. a very good 5-4 vs top 50 and 6-6 vs top 100. Now they do have some bad losses...at East Carolina, Tulane and Nebraska so its going to be important to not trip up against the likes of UCF, Tulane and Memphis. They also travel to Tulsa and that game is a big bubble showdown that they would do themselves well to win.



OUT



(42) TULSA 19-6: Suddenly the brash AAC newcomers are tied for first with SMU at 12-2. Unfortunately despite the gaudy win total, you have to ask yourself, does 2 wins over Temple get you in the NCAA tournament? Because that's all that's here on the resume. With the unbalanced schedule, the Golden Hurricanes have had an advantage. Still they get opportunites the last two games hosting Cincy and travelling to SMU...they simply will need to win both. 0-3 vs top 25, 2-4 vs top 50 and 4-5 vs top 100 with a SOS of 122 does not cut it. Their best OOC win was Auburn and 10 of their 19 wins were against plus 200 rpi schools. Lots of red flags here.





ATLANTIC 10



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(35) DAYTON 20-6: The bubble is so soft this year that even with their unimpressive resume the Flyers are still on the last 2 in/last 2 out grouping. However with the A10 being down you wonder if it can get more than 2 bids this year. Overall rpi is great so is the gaudy win total, the 10-4 mark in league is good however they have benefitted from an unbalanced scheduled. Flyers still have not beaten anyone of note in league. They lost at bubbles Davidson and UMass, also have recent losses at GW and a bad Duquense. Their best conference win was Richmond. 8 of their 20 wins are plus rpi 200. What they do have going for them is two wins over likely NCAA at larges from the SEC...Texas A&M and Ole Miss. 2-2 vs top 50 and 4-5 vs top 100 is needing. That Duquense loss is particularly damaging but they can shore up their resumes with wins over URI and at VCU not an easy task but if they don't they will need a run to the A10 finals to feel good



OUT



(64) RHODE ISLAND 18-6: Suddenly Danny Hurley's team is peaking at the right time. The Rams have won 8 of their last 9 and have pulled into a tie for first with VCU at 11-3 in league. Rams simply need to keep winning. Their win over UMass was the only top 50 win they have and UMass is on the outside of the bubble right now. 1-4 vs top 50 and 4-4 vs top 100 does not get you in even if you are in first in this league. Their best OOC win was Nebraska. 11 of their 18 wins are to plu 200 rpi schools and that's reflected in the abysmal SOS of 199. Still they have opportunities to pick up two more quality wins with games against Davidson and Dayton looming but cannot afford anymore trip ups like St Joes. Fate will probably be decided by their A-10 tourney run.



(54) DAVIDSON 18-6: Another A10 school suffering from the dregs at the bottom of the conference bringing everyone down. 10 of their wins are to plus 200 rpi schools. The SOS is a bad 164. They have 0 top 25 wins. Now their numbers are slightly better than Rhody, 2-3 vs top 50 and 5-4 vs top 100. But their best non conference win was UNC Wilmington and conference wins over Dayton and UMass do not move the needle all that much. Bad losses to St Bonnies and St Joes hurt. With 3 games left against top 100 schools including one against VCU and one against URI, Davidson clearly has the most opportunity of any A10 bubble. Beat VCU and URI and they will put themselves on top of the A10 bubble mess. Still it looks like that mess will not be sorted out until the dust settles in the A10 tournament



(38) MASSACHUSETTS 16-11: Minutemen were riding a 6 game win streak with opportunities to solidify their resume but fell flat on their face in losses to URI and VCU. It was particularly crushing because their last 4 games do not particular provide a chance for more quality wins. Richmond and GW are borderline top 100 so it could add to the 6-8 mark vs rpi top 100 which is actually pretty solid but the 2-3 mark vs top 50 still is lacking. Wins over Iona and Dayton are not enough to get you in. Yes UMass scheduled strong this year and the SOS of 17 the best thing going on their resume but they simply lost too many of them. Losses to bubbles LSU and BYU and then bad losses to St Bonnies and St Joes. This is a good team and they are capable of making a A10 tourney run so not out of it at all.





BIG EAST



(Note the numbers/stats do not include last night's St John's win over Xavier)



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(24) XAVIER 18-10: Muskateers could have sealed an at large bid last night at St Johns but their rally fell short. That's okay with the weak bubble this year, they appear to still be in good shape. Nova coming up isn't a must win but they cannot afford to trip up at Creighton. Not sure 8-10 in the Big East will cut the mustard this year. Still lots of things to like. 4-3 vs top 25, 5-4 vs top 100 and an impressive 9-6 vs top 100. Tough to keep them out. Wins include a sweep of Georgetown, PC, Butler, at Cincy and some very nice wins over possible NCAA autobid schools Murray St, Florida Gulf Coast, and SF Austin. Yes we have those bad losses to Creighton, De Paul and Auburn but with the SOS of 24 and such strong rpi numbers that stuff is easily overlooked



(39) ST JOHN'S 17-9: Always good to see schools playing their way in to the tournament rather than leave it up in the air. With two wins in 10 days over Xavier, the Redmen have shored up their rpi numbers. 7 top 100 wins coming into that game..make that 8 now and now 4 top 50 wins. Non conference they only have a win over St Marys and Cuse so that side is a bit weak but those sweeps over PC and Xavier a big now. Still would like to see them beat Gtown at home to make it academic with games looming at Marquette and Nova. Big East is in line to get a whopping 6 schools this year.





BIG 12



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(29) OKLAHOMA STATE: Cowboys appear close but they have dropped 3 straight to fall to 7-8 in the league. RPI stuff is excellent...SOS of 11 check...6-7 vs top 50 check, 8-7 vs top 100 check. Sweep of Baylor and Texas, a big win over Kansas, a nice OOC win over Tulsa. Only thing that could keep them out is if they continue the losing skid. They had a bad loss at TCU and get them again as well as a trip to WVU who the just lost to at home and a trip to Texas Tech. Need to just stop the bleeding and everything should be fine for them



(40) TEXAS 17-10: Longhorns are an interesting case study. In most year or at least before the 4 extra at large bids were added, Texas would be in some big trouble. A hideous 1-9 vs top 50 rpi schools, a pretty weak 4-10 vs the top 100. Their only wins of note were WVU and bubble Iowa. They are just 6-8 in the Big 12. Still with how weak the bubble is and the fact that the Big 12 is far and away the top conference this year it looks likes the Longhorns are not sweating just yet. The SOS is 18...clearly they played a lot of top schools, they have not lost to anyone outside the top 100 with their worst loss being Stanford at 51. Now the final 4 games though are not easy...at WVU and at Kansas, if they lose those they sit at 6-10 and will likely need to win the last two vs Baylor and Kansas State with the former offering a much needed top 50 win.





BIG 10



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(28) MICHIGAN STATE 19-8: Spartans don't seem to have the impressive resume that we are used to seeing from them but it looks like there is enough for them to be relative safe. Winners of 6 of their last 7 they have now moved to 2nd place in the Big 10 at 10-4. They have picked up 3 solid road wins to go along with their win over Ohio State to solidfy their resume. Still the best win is only Indiana, they have no non conference wins of note. Just 2-5 vs top 50 but a solid enough 6-6 vs top 100. Just one bad loss at Nebraska but they have been a strong road team going 8-5. Opportunities to pad their top 100 numbers coming up with games against Minnesota and Purdue and road trips to Wisconsin and Indiana. Would take a total implosion to derail their at large hopes.



(32) INDIANA 19-9: Might have the strongest resume of the Big 10 bubbles but we will still keep them here for now. Quality OOC wins over SMU, Butler, and Pitt. League wins over Maryland and Ohio State. 5-6 vs top 50 and 8-9 vs top 100. Even the two losses to Purdue and the loss to Eastern Washington do not look so bad. Hooisers would have to lose all 3 remaining games at Northwestern, Iowa, MSU plus lose their opening Big 10 tourney game to move them near the Mendoza line.



(41) OHIO STATE 19-8: Here is another school that is benefitting from the weak at large field. Buckeyes are just 2-4 vs top 50 and 6-6 vs top 100. Their SOS is a mediocre 91. Their best OOC win was High Point. 8 of their wins are to plus 200 rpi schools. They are a bad road team at 3-7. They do have wins over Maryland, Indiana and Illinois but nothing is particularly striking about their resume. Still there are no bad losses..worst was last weekend at Michigan. Just need to avoid major missteps in the last two weeks. Nebby, Purdue, Wisky and at PSU on the docket and a split should be good enough to lock them in



(55) IOWA 17-10: Hawkeyes recovered from a midseason slump with two straight over bottom feeders Nebby and RU but they will need to close strong down the stretch. The numbers seem okay 4-6 vs top 50 and 6-9 vs top 100. They swept Ohio State, beat Maryland and do have a really nice road win at UNC. Just one real bad loss at Northwestern. Games at Indy and home to Illinois provide chances to lock them but they cant slip up at Penn State or Northwestern either. Seem to be ahead of the game in the bubble pecking order than OSU, Purdue and Illinois



(59) PURDUE 18-9: Boilermakers are the surprise team of the Big 10 and find themselves sitting in a tie for second at 10-4. Ive seen a lot of other bracketologist puts them near the last 4 in/last 4 out line but that's nonsense. They have played too well once the Big 10 season begain, the selection committee figures to overlook their early losses to Gardner Webb and North Florida as well as another bad loss at Vandy. Thinking is if Purdue can pick up another quality win in their last 4. RU, at OSU, at MSU and Illinois left they lock in. The last game is particulary important for them. So while they haven't picked up a top 25 win yet, 4-3 vs top 50 and 8-5 vs top 100 are their strong points. Wins over bubble schools NCState and BYU loom large.



(58) ILLINOIS 17-10: At the bottom of the Big 10 bubble pecking order, the Illini are quite bubblicious sitting on the last 4 in line as of now. The numbers here are just so so. 3-5 vs top 50 and 5-8 vs top 100. They are not a good road team at 5-8. The win over Baylor is really good. In league wins over Maryland and Purude and at Michigan State but they need some more umph. Problem is the upcoming schedule. The home games of Nebby (who they lost to once) and Northwestern do not provide a chance to build the resume and the road games at Iowa and Purdue are going to be tough to pull off. Need to win one of those preferably both or they will need to do damage in the Big 10 tourney..ie getting to the semis.





MWC



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(27) COLORADO STATE 22-5: The Mountain West has slipped tremendously this year as it has dropped all the way down to the 12th rated conference. Going to be tough to get more than 2 from this league but the Rams have the inside track right now but simply need to keep winning. The Rams did beat league leader San Diego State so they get respect there. A split with fellow bubble Boise State but particularly interesting is they got swept by another bubble Wyoming. But yet only 5 losses..only one bad loss to New Mexico. The 2-2 vs top 50 and 5-4 vs top 100 are middling. Their best OOC wins were Georgia State and UTEP. Is that enough? The sheer win total is gaudy but 11 of those game to plus 200 rpi schools They finish with a bunch of bottom feeders...San Jose St, Nevada and Utah State, absolutely no trip ups allowed and they would do themselves well to get to the MWC finals to feel safe.



OUT



(43) BOISE STATE: 18-7: The hot team of the moment having won 10 of 11 but that one bad loss to Fresno could loom large. The profile is similar to CSU perhaps a tad behind overall in SOS and overall number. Both beat San Diego State. Boise has a bigger OOC win with St Marys. However they have 3 bad losses...Fresno, Loyola and Utah St. 2-3 vs top 50 and 5-4 vs top 100. Big key here is the opportunity to get another win at San Diego State, now that would give them the edge on the Rams but they also need to hold serve against the conference bottom feeders. It figures to come down to which team can take the other down in the MWC semis



(77) WYOMING 19-6: I suppose we can put the Cowboys on this list but they are a longshot. They are 3-0 against CSU and Boise. However with 12 of their 19 wins coming against plus rpi 200 schools its hard to recommend them. 3-3 vs top 50, 4-4 vs top 100. Their best OOC was Colorado and only have 6 wins vs top 100 rpi schools. The bad losses to Air Force and Utah State probably seal their fate. If they can sweep their last 4 and then upset San Diego State somewhere in the MWC tourney then maybe they become bubblicious.





PAC 12



(45) OREGON 19-8: As usual the Pac 12 is muddled with bubble teams and the conference on the whole is down yet again. The Ducks would seem to lead the pack of bubbles but still are lacking big wins. The 8-7 mark vs top 100 is the strong point here but they are just 2-5 vs top 100. Did beat 2nd place Utah, fellow bubbles Oregon State and UCLA. Note the win over Illinois. They only have one bad loss to Washington State and that road/neutral mark of 3-6 is kind of sketchy. The last 3 will not be easy...all on the road...Cal, Stanford, Oregon State. Would be nice for them to pick up 2 to lock in, one leaves them probably in but drop all 3 and they are in some trouble. Still whatever happens the Pac 12 tourney is opportunity for they and all the other Pac 12 bubbles to play their way in.



(51) STANFORD 17-9: Cardinal are on the last 4 in line. Beating Wofford and Texas should not be enough to get you in but with the weak bubble someone has to get in. The selling point here is the 9-5 mark vs top 100 schools so while at 1-5 vs top 50 they have no big wins, those 9 wins are far and away better than most bubble schools. Still they should not feel safe. Work to be done in the last 4...the Oregon schools at home and the Arizona schools on the road. This stretch will either lock them in or leave them dangling. Note that they were swept by UCLA and lost to BYU. 3 bad losses to De Paul, WSU and Colorado too.



(47) UCLA 16-12: The SOS of 13 is why I have the Bruins in for now. Not really heavy on quality wins...2-7 vs top 50 and a mediocre 6-11 vs top 100. Did beat Utah, swept Stanford and split with the Oregon schools. Best OOC was just Long Beach State though. One bad loss to Colorado. The road mark is a hideous 3-11. No chance for quality wins in the last 3...Washington schools plus USC but if they can win those games all of which are at home to get to 11-7 in league and make a nice run to maybe the semis in the pac 12 tourney this is a team that will get in.



OUT



(95) OREGON STATE 16-10: That hideous loss last week to USC really stings and they had an earlier bad loss to Quinnipiac The Beavers are on this list simply because they beat Arizona. Other than that just a win over UCLA and a non conference win over Portland which is nothing to write home about. Still the last 3 gives them a shot at 3 top 100 rpi wins that can bolster their resume. Road games at Stanford and Cal and home to Oregon. Win all 3 and they become legit. Road has been tough where they are just 3-6. SOS of 125 is not good. 2-5 vs top 50 and 4-7 vs top 100 does not get it done for a Power 5 school right now





SEC



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(33) MISSISSIPPI 19-8: Ole Miss looks in great shape right now. Non conference wins vs Oregon and Cincinnati. League wins at Arky and over Texas A&M. 4-4 vs top 50 and 705 vs top 100 are impressive. 10-3 on the road looks outstanding. SOS is solid at 50. I think the bad losses to TCU, W Kentucky, and Charleston Southern are negated by the positives. Still its not an easy stretch in last 4....Georgia, at LSU, at Bama, and Vandy. Just want to avoid a total meltdown



(53) LSU 19-8: The SOS of 100 may be worse than any other SEC bubble but what stands out here is the 9-5 mark vs top 100 rpi which is better than anyone else here. LSU is 4-4 vs top 50 which include wins at WVU, UMass, they also won at Ole Miss and beat Georgia in their only meeting. The thing holding them back is the 3 bad losses to Auburn, Missouri and Mississippi State. Still their two point loss to Kentucky should help them. If they can take down Ole Miss again or win at Arky they can lock things up. Getting swept by Texas A&M is interesting but the eye test says they may be a better tournament team



(34) GEORGIA 17-9: Bulldogs are in right now by the skin of their teeth. They have no top 25 wins, are just 2-3 vs top 50, the 6-5 mark vs top 100 helps them but they should not feel too safe right now. They still have to play at Ole Miss and get Kentucky at home. Winning the latter of course would lock them but short of that they might need that former or leave it up to the always topsy turvy SEC tournament. Just wins over Ole Miss and at Texas A&M to point to and will they get credit for a win over currently imploding SHU out of conference. Getting swept by So Carolina and losing to Auburn hurts



OUT



(37) TEXAS A&M 19-7: The Aggies are the hottest team in the SEC outside of Kentucky winning 10 of their last 12 and sitting in 2nd place in the league so why do they sit on the last 4 out line. Well that's because they do not have one damn top 50 win....0-2 vs top 25 and 0-5 vs top 50. Their best wins were the sweep of LSU who sits outside the top 50. If LSU can move inside the top 50, it will help the Aggies. I feel the LSU profile is overall slightly better despite the head to head losses so for now the Aggies sit here. Their best OOC in was a mediocre Arizona State. The SOS is 90. They have not loss to a team outside the top 100 that's a plus. Now next up is a game at Arkansas it would give them the kind of win they desperately need to move them into the field. They, LSU and Georgia are all most bubblicious right now.





WCC



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(56) ST MARY'S 19-7: Despite Gonzaga's success this year, the WCC is not even in the top 10 rpi conferences. Its going to be tough to get a 2nd team given that the two bubbles are short on wins. St Marys split with BYU this year but lost to Gonzaga twice. Also note the losses to fellow bubbles St Johns and Boise State. Their best OOC win was Colonial leader Northeastern. They have a slight edge on BYU in SOS but its the rest of the bubble field they just fall short in comparison to. 0-4 vs top 50 and 2-5 vs top 100 just does not get it done. Must win their last two and get to the WCC finals beating BYU and then hope that they can play Gonzaga close and get some respect.



(60) BYU 19-8: Cougars do have the better wins compared to St Marys....UMass and Stanford. Nice to have them but ultimately the numbers at 1-3 vs top 50 and 3-5 vs top 100 are not there. Being swept by Pepperdine kills them as does the loss to San Diego. The big thing here is they still have a game at Gonzaga to play in addition to Portland. Its very simple...beat Gonzaga and then your chances go up tenfold. Lose and they suffer the same fate as St Mary's.


LAST 4 IN: DAYTON, STANFORD, GEORGIA, LSU
LAST 4 OUT: TEXAS A&M, MIAMI, PITTSBURGH, BOISE STATE



The bubble is extremely weak this year. I know I have been saying this for the past few years. Ever since they added 4 more at large schools to the field its become less interesting and compelling. It really looks like conference realignment has put a kibosh somewhat on midmajor bubble schools. Seems like they are pretty scarce at this point. The pecking order will be released on my next full update on Monday/Tuesday of next week.
 

G- RUnit

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Excellent job per usual. Just as good as the professionals if not better. Kudos!

Now for the criticism. Every year the talking heads give their knee jerk mantra, "The Bubble is so weak" and every year they are proven so wrong. Remember the talk that VCU did not belong? Remember how last year the championship game featured a seven seed, UConn, v Kentucky, an eight seed? Remember how bubble teams and 11 seeds, Tennessee and Dayton, advanced last year? Remember how the Mountain West was a media darling and the A10 was a weak bubble? Just the opposite occurred! The lesson is don't fall for the weak bubble nonsense.

Three alleged weak bubble teams this year that have won despite significant injuries, Texas A&M, Temple and Davidson, deserve far more credit than they are receiving. BYU at 21-8 is weak? 5 of their losses are Gonzaga, Utah, San Diego State, St. Mary's and Purdue! Poor St.Marys, guessing many teams would not want to play them.

Would like to see a real difference between Indiana, Purdue, Iowa and Illinois. Xavier and St. John's as bubble teams can do a heck of a lot of damage.

Pitt has beat ND. NC State has beat NC and Louisville, Miami has beat Duke! All quintessential bubble teams! Hard to categorize that group as weak.

Try to make sense of the AAC again with Temple, Memphis, Tulsa, and Cincy? Same with A10 and Davidson, UMass and Rhode....

Good stuff and not really a weak bubble but ever increasing parity!
 

bac2therac

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thank you


and it wouldn't be another March Madness season without the weak bubble banter back and forth with you

but man this year is really weak
 

G- RUnit

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Ditto! Thoroughly enjoy! Look forward to your updates.

The other interesting thing will be seeding. What will the committe do with injuries/losses to key players on teams like UVA, Louisville, Butler, VCU, etc.... Makes a huge difference to other teams in the Bracket.

Not to mention Wisconsin and Kansas losing... UK, Gonzaga, Az and Nova as #1 seeds should UVA stumble?

Fun stuff that college footbal season, as great as it is, lacks.
 

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Always enjoy reading your NCAA predictions and updates Bac.

I do think that Texas only has about a 20-30% chance to make the big dance this year.

Best of Luck,
Groz
 

BigEastPhil

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I plan on attending the Big East Tourney this year...should be a lot of fun....and I'll be quite interested in the size of the crowds that attend - though it appears per Ticketmaster etc that not too many seats are available.

BET should be competitive as there are approx. 6 NCAA teams: Nova; Gtown; Johnnies; Providence; Xavier and Butler.

Also planning on attending the A-10 semis as A-10 Tourney is wide open and though VCU is the favorite to win it - there are several teams that can give them a run for their money - but it's critical that these teams end up in the top 4 - so they only have to win 3 games to win the tourney.

BTW, for those NIT fans - there is a NIT Bracketology Field......
 

bac2therac

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Originally posted by Groz:

Always enjoy reading your NCAA predictions and updates Bac.

I do think that Texas only has about a 20-30% chance to make the big dance this year.

Best of Luck,
Groz
Thanks Groz.... I do not like Texas at all but because they added 4 schools and with the Big 12 so highly rated this year as of now they are probably in BUT they just lost again the other night....down to 6-9 in league so that's a huge negative. Their SOS is strong and their worst loss was to Stanford rpi 54...so cannot knock them there. No bad loss and 11 losses within the top 54 but the problem is not many wins...they are now 1-8 vs top 25 and 1-10 vs top 50...that 1-10 is insanely poor.....4-11 vs top 100 isn't all that better. All they have done is beat WVU and Iowa...they won at UConn but that's really considered a quality win this year

Next up for them is a trip to Kansas which looks like yet another loss guarantee a sub 500 Big 12 mark. They finish with Baylor and Kansas State. Certainly beating Baylor will give them a much needed top 25 win. But if they don't I really think they will need to make a run to the Big 12 finals to be sure. I think in the end they play their way out of the tournament
 

bac2therac

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So recapping some action from the past two days....


WVU beat Texas...another blow to the spiraling Longhorns at large chances

NC State got a huge road win at UNC which puts them very very close to lock status now

Pitt got by BC to hold their position on the last 4 out line and Miami slipped past FSU

LSU took care of business at Auburn

Texas A&M fell to Arkansas missing out on another opportunity to pick up a quality win and they remain out IMO right now

Boise State held serve against New Mexico

In a huge bubble matchup, Davidson won at Rhode Island...if they can get that win over VCU they might push themselves onto the right side of the bubble. Tough loss for URI who might need to make a run to the A10 finals now for a shot

UMass upset by St Joes, a crushing defeat for the Minutemen who have lost 3 straight, another who needs a A10 finals run

Richmond's win over VCU puts them from NIT bubble to NCAA bubble. That gives them two wins over VCU and they also beat Davidson. They are still a longshot because they have no OOC wins and a few bad losses but 3-5 vs top 50, 6-9 vs top 100 and sos of 28 at least keeps them in the game. They need to keep winning and reach the A10 finals.

Dayton remained ahead of the A10 bubbles by beating George Mason

Cincinnati took down UCF while Tulsa thwarted Tulane

Colorado St beat up on San Jose State

Wyoming upset at home by Fresno State and that looks like all she wrote for the Cowboys barring a MWC tourney championship

In two big bubble showdowns....Iowa won at home over Illinois giving them their 7th top 100 victory (7-9) getting closer. Meanwhile Illinois is in a dangerous spot at just 5-10 vs top 100 rpi and only one chance left at Purdue to gain a quality win..must also beat Northwestern and Nebby.

UCLA clouted WSU while Oregon strengthened their case by taking down Cal even though Cal fell out of the rpi top 100

Georgia won at Ole Miss..huge win for the Bulldogs that gave them their 3 top 50 and their 8th top 100 win, really solidifies their resume. Ole Miss still looking good despite the loss but it was a lost opportunity to really lock in.



LAST 4 IN: DAYTON, STANFORD, LSU, TEXAS
LAST 4 OUT: TEXAS A&M, DAVIDSON, MIAMI, PITTSBURGH
 

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I enjoyed it. Can't say I disagree with anything here except the "weak bubble" talk.

It just seems that if the bubble is weak every year, what is this relative to? Can only be compared to other years, so how can it be weak every year?

You seem to identify the issue at the end of the initial post - - there are more teams making it. So of course the bubble is going to feel weaker than it did when there were 64 teams.

If anything, this year the fact that there are some teams dominating conference play in the major leagues (Kentucky, Virginia, Villanova, Arizona, Wisconsin) could lead to a weaker middle or "bubble" but we can't say the same thing every year. For there to be a "weak" bubble one year, there, by definition, must be a strong bubble some other year.
 

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Originally posted by StevieB160:
I enjoyed it. Can't say I disagree with anything here except the "weak bubble" talk.

It just seems that if the bubble is weak every year, what is this relative to? Can only be compared to other years, so how can it be weak every year?

You seem to identify the issue at the end of the initial post - - there are more teams making it. So of course the bubble is going to feel weaker than it did when there were 64 teams.

If anything, this year the fact that there are some teams dominating conference play in the major leagues (Kentucky, Virginia, Villanova, Arizona, Wisconsin) could lead to a weaker middle or "bubble" but we can't say the same thing every year. For there to be a "weak" bubble one year, there, by definition, must be a strong bubble some other year.
Wichita State and VCU at one point were allegedly "weak" bubble teams and un-deserving. Just last year 11 seed Tennessee and Dayton made nice runs as weak Bubble teams! BAC does a great job but the ubiquitous weak bubble talk is just a silly mantra that none of the bracketologists ever even attempt to explain. Texas may be one of the top 30 teams in the country and they may not get in? Pitt just beat ND & Cuse and is on the outside looking in? Those are not weak bubble teams. Davidson is pretty darn good. Would never call them a weak bubble team.



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Originally posted by StevieB160:
I enjoyed it. Can't say I disagree with anything here except the "weak bubble" talk.

It just seems that if the bubble is weak every year, what is this relative to? Can only be compared to other years, so how can it be weak every year?

You seem to identify the issue at the end of the initial post - - there are more teams making it. So of course the bubble is going to feel weaker than it did when there were 64 teams.

If anything, this year the fact that there are some teams dominating conference play in the major leagues (Kentucky, Virginia, Villanova, Arizona, Wisconsin) could lead to a weaker middle or "bubble" but we can't say the same thing every year. For there to be a "weak" bubble one year, there, by definition, must be a strong bubble some other year.
I think what I am basically saying is that ever since the addition of 4 schools IMO the 4 schools added probably don't deserve it...has it been 3-4 years of this don't remember exactly but its making that last 4 in/last 4 out line look weak to me as the last 4 out really do not seem to have an argument.

Going back over a decade since I started this, I always start it two weeks before conference tourney week begins, this is the lowest amount of schools that I have identified as bubbles....only 33 and a few of those have played themselves out with losses this week. Most years its 40-45. And usually I am very conservative with putting teams in. I put in schools like Providence and Butler already in because I just cant see how they free fall that much because the teams on the outside looking in have nothing of substance on their resumes.
 

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Originally posted by G- RUnit:




Originally posted by StevieB160:
I enjoyed it. Can't say I disagree with anything here except the "weak bubble" talk.

It just seems that if the bubble is weak every year, what is this relative to? Can only be compared to other years, so how can it be weak every year?

You seem to identify the issue at the end of the initial post - - there are more teams making it. So of course the bubble is going to feel weaker than it did when there were 64 teams.

If anything, this year the fact that there are some teams dominating conference play in the major leagues (Kentucky, Virginia, Villanova, Arizona, Wisconsin) could lead to a weaker middle or "bubble" but we can't say the same thing every year. For there to be a "weak" bubble one year, there, by definition, must be a strong bubble some other year.
Wichita State and VCU at one point were allegedly "weak" bubble teams and un-deserving. Just last year 11 seed Tennessee and Dayton made nice runs as weak Bubble teams! BAC does a great job but the ubiquitous weak bubble talk is just a silly mantra that none of the bracketologists ever even attempt to explain. Texas may be one of the top 30 teams in the country and they may not get in? Pitt just beat ND & Cuse and is on the outside looking in? Those are not weak bubble teams. Davidson is pretty darn good. Would never call them a weak bubble team.





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Texas only has one top 50 win and only 4 top 100....most years that has you on the next 4 out line. Pitt beat UNC and ND but that's it, nothing OOC and Cuse win doesn't count like it used to. Just 2-7 vs top 50 and 4-8 vs top 100 shudder. Davidson may be playing their way in but beyond beating VCU twice what else have they done.
 

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Any bubble with Texas, Davidson, UCLA, BYU, Pittsburgh, Miami, St. Marys, Texas A&M, Temple, Tulsa, TCU, Georgia, Oregon, a red hot Boise State.... Have a very hard time with any commentators calling it "weak."
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I don't think last years Tennessee team was being called weak at any point.

They were a bigger favorite as the 11 over the 6 seed than some 4 seeds are over the 13!
 

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If the argument is that going from 64 to 68 was a crummy idea, I'm with you there. Whether the bubble is strong or weak, I'd like 4 fewer teams again.
 

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Based on the bubble teams above, 2 bubble teams I would not want to face are Texas or Miami.
 

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Originally posted by StevieB160:
I don't think last years Tennessee team was being called weak at any point.

They were a bigger favorite as the 11 over the 6 seed than some 4 seeds are over the 13!
That's the point! Tennessee was anything but weak! In an alleged weak bubble, Tennessee, the quintessential bubble team, made it to the elite eight. They played Iowa so were not prohibitiive favorites. Throw in Dayton advancing and St. Joe's giving UConn the scare of the tourney....the bubble was quite strong!
 

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Not much action from last night....

Stanford held their place as next to last in with their win over Oregon State which basically knocks the Beavers out unless they can win out and make it to the Pac 12 finals

Temple and Purdue took care of business

St Marys and BYU kept their dim hopes alive with wins
 

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Because I love debating NCAA Basketball and Atlantic 10 Basketball. Richmond is nowhere near the bubble's bubble. Bad losses to Wake Forest at home (Wake Forest is the rich man's Georgia Tech in the ACC this year) as well as losing to George Mason. Not to mention 6 losses in the out of conference. They've won 2 road games in conference (the aforementioned VCU which that's a rivalry game and St. Bonnie). They still have 2 more road games of which none of them are of consequence. If they make it, it's because they run the table in Brooklyn.

Also BigEastPhil, I would love to face Texas. That's a team that can't figure itself out. Tough conference but a swan dive to say the least.

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And thats why they are not on the initial list BUT if they win out and make the A10 finals they would be seriously bubblicious
 

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As suspected the "weak bubble" has arisen and proven that it is anything but:

1. BYU beating Gonzaga on the road is as good a road win as any team in the country. They should be in and certainly pass the eye test.

2. Texas, with a nice win over one of the hottest and best teams in the nation, Baylor, just made the bubble that much stronger.

3. What to do with the AAC? UConn, not even mentioned anywhere, yet will be a favorite to win a Conference Tourney hosted at Hartford after a win over SMU. Should UConn win, SMU is in in but doesn't that make the weak bubble that much stronger with now Cincy, Temple and Tulsa?

4, Boise State with an impressive win over San Diego State on the road puts them squarely on the bubble.

5. How many games do NC State and Oklahoma State get to lose before they are thrown back into the, "weak bubble?" Pitt, Miami Both In? Both out? Purdue Illini? The southerin schools? ODU and La Tech?

6. Davidson keeps on winning and should they beat VCU this week and finish off Duquense... Richmond getting hot, Dayton, GW, UMass and Rhode all interchange-able. Good luck distinguishing. What if Rhode wins the tourney?

7. UCLA beats USC they finish with 19 wins. Is the NCAA really going to keep UCLA out of the tourney? Oregon has turned it on. Stanford is slumping. How many PAC 12 teams get in?

Lots of good teams left fighting and hardly weak bubble at all. Very interesting stuff.