Back to my post from yesterday...

[bear fan]

Where your from, did they teach you how percentages work? Dub-Mass.

Please point out in my post that you replied to where I said anything about percentages. And nice work with the name calling.

 

[121Josey]

Please point out in my post that you replied to where I said anything about percentages. And nice work with the name calling.

You didn't. That's the point. If the shoe fits...

because AL and SC have a significantly higher population than MS.

 

[bear fan]

it means we must sign MORE of the majority

More of the majority? Gonna need a translation here.

 

[Hammer Down]

You are dense, and see only what you want to see. I guess you skipped over the fact that SC is right next door to Georgia, and South Carolina and Clemson can almost compete on a level playing field for recruits there. So, in their case, they do not have to sign the majority of the SC players every year.

Tougher road to hoe in MS. Neither MSU or Ole Miss competes that well for out-of-state recruits.

As far as ceiling, you are correct. We have to accept a lower ceiling because that is all there is. Last time I checked, Mullen went 10-2 and Freeze went 9-3 last year, with their respective strategies. And that is with literally the best class you will ever sign. Oh, I forgot, you think 2013 is normal and will happen every year. My bad.

 

[Hammer Down]

You get the picture, even if you will not admit it.

 

[bear fan]

I don't know about all that

You don't know about all what? '09 - '15 TSUN, USM, AL, AU, So Car, Clem range from 31% to 43% in terms of % of in-state signees. Then you have MSU at 63%. I'll let you decide who the outlier is.

 

[Hammer Down]

Do you realize that the little success you have had was mainly due to that 2011 class where Ole Miss nearly swept Mississippi, and the 2013 class that was the true outlier?

 

[patdog]

Nice job. You managed to start the worst thread of the day two days in a row with exactly the same post.

 

[bear fan]

You hand picked the numbers you wanted to show as outliers. I see no numbers on Texas, Florida, Georgia, Tenn, etc., etc.

Whatever. I picked the states in the south closest in population to MS with two in-state power 5 public schools.

 

[DerHntr]

Nice job. You managed to start the worst thread of the day two days in a row with exactly the same post.

Exactly. Great job DS. This thread and the last have the douche or turd sandwich feel to them.

 

[Confucius Say]

Not seeing that connection. The numbers show TSUN, USM, AL, AU, So Car, and Clem are doing it one way, and MSU is doing it a different way. Nothing more, nothing less.

and his point, and the connection, is that of those 5 power teams you named that are all doing it the same way, tsun has had by far the least amount of success during the referenced time frame, and less success than state. Now, we can discuss whether the reason for the lack of success relative to the other 4 schools is actually a result of the more broad based recruiting strategy, but that's a different argument. His point, and the connection, is clear.

 

[dawgstudent]

I aim to please.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

DON'T BLINK!

 

[CochiseCowbell]

I find message board slap fights quite amusing.

 

[RebelBruiser]

You are dense, and see only what you want to see. I guess you skipped over the fact that SC is right next door to Georgia, and South Carolina and Clemson can almost compete on a level playing field for recruits there. So, in their case, they do not have to sign the majority of the SC players every year.

Tougher road to hoe in MS. Neither MSU or Ole Miss competes that well for out-of-state recruits.

As far as ceiling, you are correct. We have to accept a lower ceiling because that is all there is. Last time I checked, Mullen went 10-2 and Freeze went 9-3 last year, with their respective strategies. And that is with literally the best class you will ever sign. Oh, I forgot, you think 2013 is normal and will happen every year. My bad.

Well, I guess we will have to wait and see, because Freeze just signed his 3rd full recruiting class and is working on his 4th. Hard to say what dividends his recruiting will pay long term and whether we'll be able to sustain a high level of competition in Years 4, 5, 6, 7, etc. with his recruiting strategy and output. What we've seen to date has still largely been working with recruits signed by the previous staff, with his recruits making up the bulk of the youth.

Now, to that 2011 class you referenced of ours that dominated our 2014 team (as you put it), we had 12 of our 28 signees from Mississippi (43%) that year, but yes, that class's top talent was largely from Mississippi (Moncrief, Prewitt, Golson, CJ Johnson). Singleton and Brassell obviously didn't cut the mustard.

Ideally, as a program in Mississippi, if you're going to take it to that next level consistently, you have to do well with in-state recruiting (winning 60% of the battles between the two schools over an extended period would qualify as doing well in my opinion), and you have to go out of state for a good bit of the rest to be able to get other top talent.

That's assuming you want to try to break through that ceiling. If you're content to rest at that ceiling where maybe once every 4-5 years you have a shot at a better than average season when you have a bunch of veterans, then yes you can go wholesale Mississippi. Neither of us is going to regularly be able to compete near the level of Bama, LSU, Auburn, etc. consistently if we go heavily Mississippi in recruiting. I think we can all agree on that. The question is whether or not you think it's worth the effort to even consider trying to compete at that level more than every 5 years at best.

 

[DerHntr]

Christ Almighty RebelBruiser. You say some dumb **** but this takes the cake. GTFO with that stupidity. Not worth the effort to even consider trying? The two staffs have different philosophies and you say crap like this to somehow prove your staff's philosophy is the way to go. Get back to me when Freeze does compete at that level multiple times in 5 years.

You can't seriously think that Dan is saying to his staff, "I'm not worried about competing for championships but once every five years or so, and my recruiting philosophy will only allow it that often anyway."

Unreal stupidity...
Bruiser-- "The question is whether or not you think it's worth the effort to even consider trying to compete at that level more than every 5 years at best."

 

[RebelBruiser]

Christ Almighty RebelBruiser. You say some dumb **** but this takes the cake. GTFO with that stupidity. Not worth the effort to even consider trying? The two staffs have different philosophies and you say crap like this to somehow prove your staff's philosophy is the way to go. Get back to me when Freeze does compete at that level multiple times in 5 years.

You can't seriously think that Dan is saying to his staff, "I'm not worried about competing for championships but once every five years or so, and my recruiting philosophy will only allow it that often anyway."

Unreal stupidity...
Bruiser-- "The question is whether or not you think it's worth the effort to even consider trying to compete at that level more than every 5 years at best."

I'm sure Dan wouldn't say that, but that's the reality of the strategy. I guarantee someone will smack me down in this thread for even daring to think it possible for one of the Mississippi schools to compete at that level more often than every 5 years or so. In fact, I think it already has happened.

We finished Top 20 this past year. We're pre-season Top 20 this year. We will see if we deliver on that. The real test will be 2016. If our 2016 team manages to win 8 games, it'll be a sign that Freeze is recruiting at a much higher level that may give us a shot to be at that upper level with some sort of regularity. We lose a ton of veterans off the 2015 squad, and if we can reload similar to what LSU did this past year, winning 8 games in a tough division after losing a bunch of players to the NFL, then that'll mean we are bringing in a higher caliber of player across the board.