Athlete taking cash?

[hOUston...]

Houston Chronicle reporting a big time UT recruit taking money. The student is going to receive 4 years of education and room/board. I cannot believe something like this could happen. (even at UT)

http://www.chron.com/sports/longhor...ecruit-Mo-Bamba-11256980.php?ipid=hpsportsctp

 

[OklaBama]

The only way to know for sure if a recruit will or won't take under the table financial gifts........is to offer them to him. If this report is true, it doesn't surprise me at all. Most kids are smarter than to take money, but there's some that are pretty stupid and will. What percent? Who knows.

 

[PryorFan]

UT is denying the report. Saying not true?

 

[iasooner1]

Of course they would...

Sounds like a nothingburger; I hate that oft-used expression

 

[kcstorm06_rivals]

Shorthorns are always waving that bag of cash in front of them. That's how they turn it into ziplocks of pot and tattoos. Cheaters that they are.

 

[CTOkie]

Houston Chronicle reporting a big time UT recruit taking money. The student is going to receive 4 years of education and room/board. I cannot believe something like this could happen. (even at UT)

http://www.chron.com/sports/longhor...ecruit-Mo-Bamba-11256980.php?ipid=hpsportsctp

Nothing will come of this. UT and Hillary are immune.

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

Count me as one that doesn't blame players for taking money when it's offered to them. The players aren't stupid. They see all the millions on coaching salaries and building more and more extravagant facilities off the money generated by the athletes performances.

 

[opk]

Nothing will come of this. UT and Hilary are immune.

Who/what is "Hilary"?

 

[CTOkie]

Who/what is "Hilary"?

Take a wild guess....and pardon my not hitting the "L" key a second time.

 

[opk]

If you intended to type "Hillary"............ what the **** does she have to do with this discussion?

 

[CTOkie]

I don't like Hillary Clinton and she seems to always get away with corruption and lies much like UT gets preferential treatment from the NCAA.
Lighten up.

 

[opk]

Oh, you mean like "Tricky Dick" Nixon. I don't like him either.

I'll lighten up when we stay on subject instead of injecting irrelevant political jabs into these discussions.

Have a nice day.

 

[CTOkie]

Oh, you mean like "Tricky Dick" Nixon. I don't like him either.

I'll lighten up when we stay on subject instead of injecting irrelevant political jabs into these discussions.

Have a nice day.

I'm so relieved.

 

[roygbell]

CT, don't let them get to you. I voted for Nixon before Watergate. I wouldn't have voted for him after Watergate.

However, we know millions on the other side like to vote for those who should have been in Ft Leavenworth for life instead of running for President.

 

[iasooner1]

Let 'em feel the bern... Their queen screwed the bern out of a chance to lose.
Mericans don't want blatant socialism, like they teach on the 40 among most universities

 

[CTOkie]

CT, don't let them get to you. I voted for Nixon before Watergate. I wouldn't have voted for him after Watergate.

However, we know millions on the other side like to vote for those who should have been in Ft Leavenworth for life instead of running for President.

No problem. I voted for Nixon too thinking he would end the war soon after being elected. I would not have voted for him either after Watergate.
I voted for Bush 43 twice, which I regret as well after he got us into the mess in the Midfle East and increased the size of government.....not my kind of conservative as it turned out.
I refrained from voting last November as I despised Hillary and was too uncertain of Trump and his impulsive ways.
Bottom line: as flawed as both parties are now, I will never buy into the liberal BS and the nanny state doctrine, political correctness and inciting class warfare and victimhood.

 

[Rcksvette]

Count me as one that doesn't blame players for taking money when it's offered to them. The players aren't stupid. They see all the millions on coaching salaries and building more and more extravagant facilities off the money generated by the athletes performances.

I don't blame them either but not as college players. Accept what your given, room and board and an education that you can WORK with to EARN a big salary and build a more then extravagant house of your own instead being envy of those that have already been there and done that.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

If you intended to type "Hillary"............ what the **** does she have to do with this discussion?

It was pretty well explained in his post. The link between her and OU football is pretty easy. UT is OU's rival, UT is linked to Hillary via comparison to the word, Immune.

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

I don't blame them either but not as college players. Accept what your given, room and board and an education that you can WORK with to EARN a big salary and build a more then extravagant house of your own instead being envy of those that have already been there and done that.

So everyone else in this country is able to accept money and gifts for the job and work they do and it's okay. But as college athletes they simply have to suck it up and forfeit their rights that everyone else in this country enjoys? I'm not saying it's okay to break the current rules at all. I'm just saying the current rules are a joke. College football is an industry that generates hundreds of millions every year. And it's prolly into the billions nowadays. But the players should just accept they are given an education and room and board? It's about time the outdated code of amateurism in college sports just gets discarded.

 

[iasooner1]

But is it only CFB billy ? And if so, only 10-20 are in the black every year; perhaps a few more but not by much.

 

[JConXtsy_rivals]

But is it only CFB billy ? And if so, only 10-20 are in the black every year; perhaps a few more but not by much.

Yeah if we want to talk about how the "real world" works, the engineers, scientists and inventors that make everything we consume and use to enhance productivity in our world are paid paltry salaries compared to the products they generate. Meanwhile, the businessmen and salesmen that peddle the products are living on yachts and dining on caviar. I believe the adage is, "the closer you are to where money changes hands, the more money you'll have."

College football isn't really different than the real world.

 

[Medic007]

But is it only CFB billy ? And if so, only 10-20 are in the black every year; perhaps a few more but not by much.

Definitely great points G Man. Who will pay them? How much? Could it really just be football? What about basketball, baseball, softball, gymnastics, wrestling, track, soccer, etc? OU is a money making machine, but those "profits" are used to pay for the availability of other sports, go towards improvements in facilities, and contributions to education.

If colleges starting paying players more than the current full scholarship, stipend, and all of the perks that go with it, the only thing we'll likely see is the demise of football programs that can't afford it, the demise of collegiate sports that depend on football revenue to operate, and yet another increase in the gap of haves and havenots.

I'd rather see football go to a one year and done like college basketball before even thinking of going down the slick slope of paying players. The reality is that paying players isn't going to stop the illicit benefits players seek out and donors provide. It will make it a lot easier to pull it off though.

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

But is it only CFB billy ? And if so, only 10-20 are in the black every year; perhaps a few more but not by much.

Not all programs make a ton of money. But I'm not saying put it on the university or athletic departments to shell out money or payments to these kids. That's isn't feasible even for the powerhouse programs. But you can darn sure allow kids to seek out their value on the free market with endorsement deals and such. Let the free market determine their value and you dodge the Title IX barrier.

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

I'd rather see football go to a one year and done like college basketball before even thinking of going down the slick slope of paying players. The reality is that paying players isn't going to stop the illicit benefits players seek out and donors provide. It will make it a lot easier to pull it off though.

That would be nice if the NFL would get on board. But I don't think it will ever happen. Ever. Why would the NFL change the current system where they essentially have a cost free "farm system" for their NFL talent?

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

Yeah if we want to talk about how the "real world" works, the engineers, scientists and inventors that make everything we consume and use to enhance productivity in our world are paid paltry salaries compared to the products they generate. Meanwhile, the businessmen and salesmen that peddle the products are living on yachts and dining on caviar. I believe the adage is, "the closer you are to where money changes hands, the more money you'll have."

College football isn't really different than the real world.

They aren't even close to being the same. In the real world, if a person thinks they are worth more than the salary they are being paid they can look for employment elsewhere or go out and start their own business if they choose.

 

[Medic007]

They aren't even close to being the same. In the real world, if a person thinks they are worth more than the salary they are being paid they can look for employment elsewhere or go out and start their own business if they choose.

Well, how about comparing it to medical school then? If you want to be a doctor, you've got to go to medical school to get a medical license to then train in a residency for at about 4 years to get board certified. Even if you choose to forego residency, you still have to do an intern year to get an unrestricted medical license. You should see what interns and residents make. A paramedic fresh out of school makes more than a 4th year ER resident. And you can't start a medical practice or do any work as a physician without a medical license.

The big difference is that a student athlete doesn't leave college with more than half a million in student loan debt and the government taking every opportunity to pay you much less than your services are worth when you're trying to pay that back.

 

[veritas59]

Yeah if we want to talk about how the "real world" works, the engineers, scientists and inventors that make everything we consume and use to enhance productivity in our world are paid paltry salaries compared to the products they generate. Meanwhile, the businessmen and salesmen that peddle the products are living on yachts and dining on caviar. I believe the adage is, "the closer you are to where money changes hands, the more money you'll have."

College football isn't really different than the real world.

effing A right.

 

[JConXtsy_rivals]

They aren't even close to being the same. In the real world, if a person thinks they are worth more than the salary they are being paid they can look for employment elsewhere or go out and start their own business if they choose.

It is the same. The market has been set and the price point made for the quality of entertainment required.

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

Well, how about comparing it to medical school then? If you want to be a doctor, you've got to go to medical school to get a medical license to then train in a residency for at about 4 years to get board certified. Even if you choose to forego residency, you still have to do an intern year to get an unrestricted medical license. You should see what interns and residents make. A paramedic fresh out of school makes more than a 4th year ER resident. And you can't start a medical practice or do any work as a physician without a medical license.

The big difference is that a student athlete doesn't leave college with more than half a million in student loan debt and the government taking every opportunity to pay you much less than your services are worth when you're trying to pay that back.

Well this is certainly a better example than previously posted. My brother-in-law is going through his med school and residency stuff and it's ridiculous that he can't even have a job to make money while going through the phase he is in right now.

The main difference I see between the two, is sure a student athlete may not leave with a ton of student debt. But they also aren't leaving with the same level of education as someone who went through medical school. For a med student, their primary reason for being at that university is to not only get an education, but to also develop experience they are going to use towards their chosen career path.

Student athletes, especially football players, are on scholarship to play football. Their class and education paths are chosen to make sure they stay eligible to play football. Now if a kid is intelligent enough to handle medical school while also playing football at a program like Oklahoma, then show me some examples of those kids. But for the vast majority of these kids, their education comes secondary to their primary purpose of being there. And that primary purpose is staying eligible to play football.

 

[JConXtsy_rivals]

Now if a kid is intelligent enough to handle medical school while also playing football at a program like Oklahoma, then show me some examples of those kids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_Rolle

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_Rolle

That's great for him. Any more? Thinking one example speaks for the countless numbers of kids in college football doesn't do anything for me. There are gifted kids that can do it. But how many physically gifted kids that can play football were also gifted with the intelligence to do what Myron did?

 

[JConXtsy_rivals]

Div1 players from power conferences that have time-demanding degrees and/or identified as Rhodes Scholars are pretty easy to list, however it doesn't reflect in the conversation on whether or not college players are being compensated appropriately based on tuition waiving and free room/board.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

1. Young people are the athletes w/ the skill sets, the goods that make the schools winners. They are the individuals that are punished for taking any form of compensation to play a sport on the collegiate level.

2. Older adults are the individuals that offer, extend and/or pay the athletes in an effort to make money and/or to push an agenda. They are never punished.

Penalties have been put in place because the Universities can not control themselves so they've created a faux police force in an attempt to govern themselves or their supporters. They blame the kids, not the adults. They lay down the guilt trip, then penalize the young people. Many of which are major league poor, come from broken homes, with drug lords running their hoods.

For a college coach can make millions and his players are told, "Go to class for free". It rings hollow. The athlete gets a roof over his/her head at night. That roof is paid for in the millions of $$$ gathered, collected, wrote off for tax donations by adults, & then eventually paid to contractors.

College Sports is a billion $$ business that pays nothing to the kids. Don't tell me they get a free ride etc. It aint free if you working 40 hrs a week for it.

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

Div1 players from power conferences that have time-demanding degrees and/or identified as Rhodes Scholars are pretty easy to list, however it doesn't reflect in the conversation on whether or not college players are being compensated appropriately based on tuition waiving and free room/board.

I completely agree. The conversation got steered that way from an earlier post.

 

[JConXtsy_rivals]

College Sports is a billion $$ business that pays nothing to the kids. Don't tell me they get a free ride etc. It aint free if you working 40 hrs a week for it.

The problem therein lies upon where you decide to draw the line. That's where the conflict is.

Do we want earning policies to be as complicated as some of the CBAs in pro sports? Tiered earnings based on school class, performance, and high school star-rankings? Now we need agents and lawyers tied in to the students' hips. Then what leg do the transfer rules ride upon?

I think a majority of fans don't dislike the idea of a college athlete having some sort of compensation for their efforts. I think the argument is to what degree, and therefore it's easier to say nope to it all. The system works somewhat as it is. Until student athletes figure out a way to circumvent the system, they're going to keep gladly coming to school to play for a small chance they might make money on the back end of the deal.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

I say pay them for what they deliver.

 

[JConXtsy_rivals]

I say pay them for what they deliver.

Which is what?
Even though NFL athletes make what some of us would consider to be outrageous salaries, you could also argue that they're not paid for what they deliver. The front office takes more than their fair share. This is just how life is in any business - CEOs with golden parachutes and all.

 

[iasooner1]

As Doc said toward the end of Tombstone: "my hypocrisy goes only so far"...

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

I say pay them for what they deliver.

I agree to a point. I don't think it should be up to the universities and athletic programs to pay athletes a salary or stipend. But I absolutely think college athletes should be free to seek out endorsement deals to profit from their own likenesses. Right now, outside of free tuition and free room and board, athletes aren't able to seek any other form of earnings in regards to their college athletic careers. Which in the case of college football, these athletes are providing the entertainment to fuel an industry worth billions upon billions.

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

Which is what?
Even though NFL athletes make what some of us would consider to be outrageous salaries, you could also argue that they're not paid for what they deliver. The front office takes more than their fair share. This is just how life is in any business - CEOs with golden parachutes and all.

That's true. But not all NFL salaries are the same. The stars make the real money, while the vast majority of the NFL player base is grinding from year to year to keep jobs to support their families. Sure the vast majority make great money, but it's not life-changing money like the best paid stars make.
In college, all athletes are on the same level, regardless of whether they are a bench warmer for OU football, or Baker Mayfield. That's actually just a form of socialism now that I think of it. And we all know that not all players are worth the same to the program. A Baker Mayfield or Caleb Kelly is far more valuable to the program than a walk-on who never sees the field on Saturdays.