Arch Manning

[patdog]

I could definitely see that happening. Not the Kiffin part though, I doubt he'll still be in Oxford then.

 

[Go Budaw]

David’s son is the HC at Oxford High School. With his age, it wouldn’t shock me to see him retire in the next year or two and retire to Oxford where he still owns a home, and watch his son coach. Then Kiffin could throw him a few hundred thousand a year to be an “offensive Analyst” and help develop Arch. That’s a scenario that I could see playing out. There’s definitely concern in OM circles about LSU. But, crap the kid is a sophomore, so much can change between now and then. And Kiffin likes to go against the grain so much he’s liable to decide not to recruit him hard and go after someone else (which would be career suicide because you all know how much we love to fellatiate a Manning!).

The problem with that scenario is that analysts aren’t allowed to do any on-field coaching, so there would be no real benefit to having him in that position besides minor amounts of film review and stuff like that. Would be a gross misuse of one of the top developmental QB minds in college football to have him as anything less than a position coach. There is a chance he could hit a bad stretch at Duke and get fired, but I think its highly unlikely that they’ll be so bad that they would pull the trigger knowing that they have the top connection to a rising (probable) 5* QB with the highest degree of pedigree imaginable.

 

[DirtyDog]

I prefer Arch Stanton.

Kudos to you Angel Eyes

 

[Maroon Eagle]

I always thought that firing Cutcliffe was a terrible mistake by Ole Miss. The guy can coach.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

As of right now, Duke is probably more talented than OM, and it’s been that way for a few years due to the probation and attrition. And they don’t play in the SEC West either, so even with less talent the ceiling for wins and losses is about the same. Also don’t underestimate the value of a Duke degree.

Cut not being there forever is a legit argument though, he’d be 71 by the time Arch graduates. That’s getting up there, but not totally unthinkable that he’d still be there. My guess is that the rapport between Cut and the Mannings is strong enough that they’d get an honest assessment on how long he plans to coach before he committed or signed there. If he wasn’t 100%, they’d likely look elsewhere.

Ole Miss is just in there for obvious reasons. Not because they are better than Duke. But either way, there is no way Duke is more talented than Ole Miss, that's asinine. Not to mention a Manning commitment at Ole Miss would be followed by other talent most likely, just like in 1999. Not so much at Duke.

The only time I can remember a quarterback this high profile going to a school like Duke was when Luck when to Stanford, so I guess it could be done, but highly unlikely. Maybe Jay Cutler to Vandy, but I don't think he was this highly recruited.

 

[Go Budaw]

Ole Miss is just in there for obvious reasons. Not because they are better than Duke. But either way, there is no way Duke is more talented than Ole Miss, that's asinine. Not to mention a Manning commitment at Ole Miss would be followed by other talent most likely, just like in 1999. Not so much at Duke.

The only time I can remember a quarterback this high profile going to a school like Duke was when Luck when to Stanford, so I guess it could be done, but highly unlikely. Maybe Jay Cutler to Vandy, but I don't think he was this highly recruited.

I certainly think Duke and OM will both be in the running. As to the talent level, long term there will be more at OM obviously, which is probably more relevant than what the current talent levels are anyway. But that really doesn’t matter, as Cut has already proven he can produce the #6 overall pick, even with Duke talent. The bigger overall point is neither school is ever winning their conference or competing for the CFP, so the bigger priority should be development for the NFL. The gaps between each school’s talent vs. the annual competition is about the same.

 

[Go Budaw]

I always thought that firing Cutcliffe was a terrible mistake by Ole Miss. The guy can coach.

No question, the boosters have taken completely over, and they’ve sold out for recruiting instead of actual W’s and L’s. They haven’t been a stable program at all since Cut was running things.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

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[Go Budaw]

I could definitely see that happening. Not the Kiffin part though, I doubt he'll still be in Oxford then.

Another wrinkle to this is Uncle Peyton’s association and continued longstanding close ties with Tennessee....the school that Kiffin left high and dry. I’d imagine that might not sit terribly well with the Mannings regarding their desire for Kiffin to coach Arch. Obviously that’s a non-factor if Kiffin is gone by the end of 2022, but in such a scenario OM would be right back off the tracks in terms of program stability yet again, which would also not play in their favor.

 

[oxfordrebel22]

The problem with that scenario is that analysts aren’t allowed to do any on-field coaching, so there would be no real benefit to having him in that position besides minor amounts of film review and stuff like that. Would be a gross misuse of one of the top developmental QB minds in college football to have him as anything less than a position coach. There is a chance he could hit a bad stretch at Duke and get fired, but I think its highly unlikely that they’ll be so bad that they would pull the trigger knowing that they have the top connection to a rising (probable) 5* QB with the highest degree of pedigree imaginable.

I mean I’m sure they’d give him a position coaching spot if he wanted, but I doubt he would. He’d just be there to help with his mechanics and the intricacies of the QB position. Cutcliffe is getting on up there in years and his health hasn’t been great, so it wouldn’t shock me to see him retire and move close to his grandchildren and maybe help Chris with the high school program. Him being there would be something obviously important to the Manning’s, because they believe in him so much.

I’m not predicting it, but I imagine there will be an all out war over his signature, and that could be a deciding factor. I do know Cooper is the biggest Ole Miss fan of the whole family, but the family is also smart and they’ll evaluate this with Arch’s best interest in mind. If Kiffin has us trending in the right direction and offense looking good, Ole Miss will be the favorite. If he doesn’t, and we are as unstable as we’ve been for last 5 years or so? Then who knows where he could wind up?

 

[Todd4State]

Orgeron needs to show that he can maintain their offense first.

I could really see Clemson getting him

LSU will be able to attract talent- especially WR talent. And that's probably enough to attract him especially after what Joe Burrow did.

I certainly think Duke and OM will both be in the running. As to the talent level, long term there will be more at OM obviously, which is probably more relevant than what the current talent levels are anyway. But that really doesn’t matter, as Cut has already proven he can produce the #6 overall pick, even with Duke talent. The bigger overall point is neither school is ever winning their conference or competing for the CFP, so the bigger priority should be development for the NFL. The gaps between each school’s talent vs. the annual competition is about the same.

Duke will probably get a courtesy look at the very least. I agree. But I highly doubt he ends up there because he will have other options and he will either be good enough to go somewhere else or if he just peaks too soon worst case scenario he would be able to just go to Ole Miss.

Hate or not...there’s just no chance. Recruiting a Manning is such a different ballgame than Joe Blow from the Delta who’s a 5* super athlete RB or whatever. That family will see straight through all the “showing the love” BS that is a part of the normal recruiting process. They will place a premium on development, where probably no one can touch Cutcliffe in their eyes (has three Top 6 NFL draft pick QB’s on his resume with two of those being Mannings, who else can say that). Kiffin, if he’s still there, will probably have a nice sales pitch, but will not have nearly the track record of many folks recruiting him. Family loyalty history with OM will play a factor too, but it will likely be a distant 2nd to the development aspect. It’s certainly going to be interesting to watch.

Don't forget about Kurt Roper. He is very close to the Manning's and probably would be a lot easier to hire than Cutcliffe. And it probably wouldn't be as awkward for all involved. He probably could be hired as the OC.

Of course Peyton set the precedent to go somewhere else and the Manning's are very big in Louisiana as well.

David’s son is the HC at Oxford High School. With his age, it wouldn’t shock me to see him retire in the next year or two and retire to Oxford where he still owns a home, and watch his son coach. Then Kiffin could throw him a few hundred thousand a year to be an “offensive Analyst” and help develop Arch. That’s a scenario that I could see playing out. There’s definitely concern in OM circles about LSU. But, crap the kid is a sophomore, so much can change between now and then. And Kiffin likes to go against the grain so much he’s liable to decide not to recruit him hard and go after someone else (which would be career suicide because you all know how much we love to fellatiate a Manning!).

That doesn't seem likely to me. Especially since it would be very obvious why Ole Miss would "want" him and also knowing that Ole Miss would possibly drop him again after Manning graduates.

 

[Go Budaw]

I mean I’m sure they’d give him a position coaching spot if he wanted, but I doubt he would. He’d just be there to help with his mechanics and the intricacies of the QB position. Cutcliffe is getting on up there in years and his health hasn’t been great, so it wouldn’t shock me to see him retire and move close to his grandchildren and maybe help Chris with the high school program. Him being there would be something obviously important to the Manning’s, because they believe in him so much.

I’m not predicting it, but I imagine there will be an all out war over his signature, and that could be a deciding factor. I do know Cooper is the biggest Ole Miss fan of the whole family, but the family is also smart and they’ll evaluate this with Arch’s best interest in mind. If Kiffin has us trending in the right direction and offense looking good, Ole Miss will be the favorite. If he doesn’t, and we are as unstable as we’ve been for last 5 years or so? Then who knows where he could wind up?

Well the good thing for the kid himself is that he’ll have all the options in the world. If he really wants to lead a team to a NC in college (something neither of his famous uncles or grandfather ever did), he can always go to Bama / LSU / OSU / UGA and roll. If he wants to follow the NFL developmental path of his uncles, there is Duke if Cut is still around past turning 70. And if he just wants to go with his first love, there is OM. I imagine all of those places will, without question, hold a spot for him all the way up to late signing day, and he’ll get to make the choice he wants no matter what. I predict his final 5 will be OM, Duke, Tennessee, and a couple of those blue bloods above, and we’ll see what happens from there.

 

[oxfordrebel22]

Well the good thing for the kid himself is that he’ll have all the options in the world. If he really wants to lead a team to a NC in college (something neither of his famous uncles or grandfather ever did), he can always go to Bama / LSU / OSU / UGA and roll. If he wants to follow the NFL developmental path of his uncles, there is Duke if Cut is still around past turning 70. And if he just wants to go with his first love, there is OM. I imagine all of those places will, without question, hold a spot for him all the way up to late signing day, and he’ll get to make the choice he wants no matter what. I predict his final 5 will be OM, Duke, Tennessee, and a couple of those blue bloods above, and we’ll see what happens from there.

Wait, you mean he can’t win a national championship at Ole Miss??? The school who’s won 3 of them!!!??*******

 

[oxfordrebel22]

That doesn't seem likely to me. Especially since it would be very obvious why Ole Miss would "want" him and also knowing that Ole Miss would possibly drop him again after Manning graduates.[/QUOTE]

In this scenario Cutcliffe would of course know what’s going on. It would just be a chance for him to help develop one more Manning, a family he has deep relationships with. And it would be a chance to make some more money for little work. I mean it would clearly be a recruiting ploy, but if you really think Arch is that good, it would be worth it. Plus, it’s even more important because let’s be honest... no one associated with OM wants their *** kicked by a Manning if at all possible. He would be living near his son and grandchildren, getting a couple hundred grand for 80 hours a year of work, and hanging out with the Manning’s. I can see where that might be appealing.

But, again, it’s just a long shot scenario I’m throwing out. I don’t have a dang clue. If you made me bet right now, even money, Ole Miss vs the field on who signs him, I’d take the field

 

[RocketDawg]

Is he that good a player, or is everybody just assuming he'll be good because his name is Manning?

 

[oxfordrebel22]

Is he that good a player, or is everybody just assuming he'll be good because his name is Manning?

Probably some of both. But his film is about as good as I’ve ever seen from a 9th grader. He can sling. But, if his last name wasn’t Manning he probably wouldn’t be the #1 QB at this point.

 

[patdog]

With the family history and the level of coaching he's getting, I'd take my chances with a scholarship today if he'd sign. I hope he doesn't go to Mississippi, but I suspect oxfordrebel22's theory of Cutcliffe semi-retiring to an analyst role and developing him as a college QB is a pretty good guess.

 

[RocketDawg]

I was an Archie fan back in the day, along with just about everybody else in Mississippi.

 

[Charlie Varney]

I was an Archie fan and it had nothing to do with football. It was the way he handled his father's suicide.

 

[oxfordrebel22]

I was an Archie fan and it had nothing to do with football. It was the way he handled his father's suicide.

I get why rival fans get sick of the Mannings, but anyone who’s rational will admit they’re a class family. I imagine y’all view them similar to how I do Dak - wish he’d played college football somewhere else, but I can’t dislike him. He’s a good person, who always says the right thing, and represents himself and MSU (OM) with nothing but class.

 

[40 acres and a mule]

I get why rival fans get sick of the Mannings, but anyone who’s rational will admit they’re a class family. I imagine y’all view them similar to how I do Dak - wish he’d played college football somewhere else, but I can’t dislike him. He’s a good person, who always says the right thing, and represents himself and MSU (OM) with nothing but class.

Feel free to worship their "class" as you wish. I have personally seen the other side.

 

[Go Budaw]

Is he that good a player, or is everybody just assuming he'll be good because his name is Manning?

Well, he just started his sophomore year of high school, and he already has 9 FBS offers (including Bama, Texas, and LSU, all schools that have won a NC in the past 15 years). He’s rated the #1 pro style QB nationally, #1 overall player in Louisiana, and #5 player overall in the country in the Class of 2023. Completed 65% of his passes for 2400 yards, 34 / 6 TD-INT, and 8.23 YPA as a true 17ing freshmen in high level Louisiana high school football when he should have normally been slinging it around on the JV team. And, he can actually run a little bit too.

So yeah, I’d probably say he’s gonna be a good one by all known indications that you can have before a kid actually takes the field in FBS.

 

[Dawg1976]

I think they are fine. Never pulled for them much but was glad to see Peyton win his 2nd SB with the Broncos. I pulled for Archie when he was with the Saints but he got unlucky playing for them during that era. I imagine they all dislike MSU but that's ok as I dislike OM. But I'm not one of those types that can't have friends from the other side as I do. We just have to stay off the topic of MSU vs OM.

 

[RocketDawg]

Are we one of the 9 offers?

 

[oxfordrebel22]

Feel free to worship their "class" as you wish. I have personally seen the other side.

Cool

 

[oxfordrebel22]

I think they are fine. Never pulled for them much but was glad to see Peyton win his 2nd SB with the Broncos. I pulled for Archie when he was with the Saints but he got unlucky playing for them during that era. I imagine they all dislike MSU but that's ok as I dislike OM. But I'm not one of those types that can't have friends from the other side as I do. We just have to stay off the topic of MSU vs OM.

I’ve got a ton of MSU friends. And we love to give each other a hard time. If either of us can’t take it, we probably don’t need to be friends. But, I also know when to pick and when not to. I’m not going to text them after losing a nail biter or heartbreaker just like they’re not going to text me after Treadwell broke his leg. I truly feel sorry for fans on both sides that can’t associate with fans of the other school. You’ve got to have something really wrong in your life to be that invested in something this stupid.

 

[Mobile Bay]

I hope not. I don't want that cursed name upon our hallowed grounds.

 

[Go Budaw]

Are we one of the 9 offers?

Doesn’t look like it per 247, but there may be others that aren’t listed on his profile.

The ones they show are:

Bama
Georgia
Tennessee
Duke
Texas
OM
UNC
LSU
Boston College