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ScarletDave

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Still not ranked in either AP or Coaches poll ! You know what forget it I like it I think .. keep flying other the radar. Get too confident and we could lose. I’d rather fly low
 
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RUClassof67

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ScarletDave said:
Still not ranked in either AP or Coaches poll ! You know what forget it I like it I think .. keep flying other the radar. Get too confident and we could lose. I’d rather fly low
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This week’s Coach’s poll won’t be released until tomorrow.
 
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That RPI bracketology is very strange. First, whoever created it doesn't realize that UConn always plays in the CT bracket. I thinks that's an NCAA rule (joke, though it wouldn't surprise me). Second, it seems to be punishing UConn for the weak AAC schedule which lies ahead.

Currently, UConn is #1 in the RPI and I expect them to be there at the end of the regular season as well.
 
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ecojew said:
That RPI bracketology is very strange. First, whoever created it doesn't realize that UConn always plays in the CT bracket. I thinks that's an NCAA rule (joke, though it wouldn't surprise me). Second, it seems to be punishing UConn for the weak AAC schedule which lies ahead.

Currently, UConn is #1 in the RPI and I expect them to be there at the end of the regular season as well.
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It is a rule. Geographic placement. Who is likely to be seeded higher than UConn - and closer to the Northeast than other regional locations - than UConn?
 
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RUich

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Coaches poll has been better for RU, so maybe creep into the 25.
 
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RUTrack94 said:
6-24 last year and loss to a 7-7 WSU team
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Right now, it is the 6-24 record last year, and out recent history. We might be ranked without the loss to WSU - but it isn't really anything to do with WSU - a one loss team looks better than a 2 loss team, we could have lost to a team in the top 25 and it would have had the same effect.

As to the more important - potential seeding - WSU is good enough that, unless they tank completely in the PAC, it will not be considered a "bad" loss.

The poll voters - even the coaches poll - are heavily influenced by who the team is. That's why Stanford is getting respect even with their selection of loses. Last season, plus the mediocre performance for a few years previously, are not encouraging voters who are not looking at RPI's to determine who to vote for.
 
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bac2therac

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TRU2RU said:
So many posters are nothing but parrots that repeat Bull **** that they read from other posters on the board, without do any research on their own
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Washington St isnt good...7-7, stop relying on rpi for everything its just starting to become accurate as conference play is just starting
 
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a holiday week and it looks like the pollsters didnt pay attention...I expect RU to make the coaches top 25 though
 
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tru2ru1

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Washington St isnt good...7-7, stop relying on rpi for everything its just starting to become accurate as conference play is just starting
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Sadly many of the parrots I referred to use you as their guru & that is why they are usually wrong.
 
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you sound jealous

yes because tell me how 7-7 WSU is good..its a big part of the reason they are not ranked...along with last year going 6-24 and that the womens hoops writers generally lacked awareness. There is not some conspiracy against RU
 
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bac2therac said:
Washington St isnt good...7-7, stop relying on rpi for everything its just starting to become accurate as conference play is just starting
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WSU lost to OSU by 18 and Oregon by 32 this past week ... by 15 to UC Davis and by 37 to USF ... it is a bad loss.
 
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you sound jealous

yes because tell me how 7-7 WSU is good..its a big part of the reason they are not ranked...along with last year going 6-24 and that the womens hoops writers generally lacked awareness. There is not some conspiracy against RU
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I don't understand.

Based on our body of work, we should not have lost to Washington State. That, I think, is a given that no-one is disputing. It was a somewhat explainable WTF loss. We are not the only team with a such a loss - ranked Stanford, in addition to losing 6 games, lost one of them to Illinois State. Ranked Missouri lost to W. Ky in their opener.

While WSU is not "good", but they are not awful either. That said, probably looking at a PAC12 bottom 4 team, and them ending the season under .500, however, with the various RPI advantages of playing the various good teams in the PAC. They made a deep run in last years WNIT (they were under .500 but got the PAC's automatic bid) and returned about the same team I am told. Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA and probably Stanford are the cream of the PAC, Cal and ASU next, then a mix of USC, Washington, Washington State, Colorado and Utah and my Wildcats at the bottom.

As I said above, the fact we have 2 losses - and not so much who we lost to - that hurt our chances of getting ranked, and its because of where we are coming from (nowhere) and the fact that RPI has nothing to do with rankings. Like anything else - get a marquee win, you get more votes, Perform as expected, fairly much win or lose, stay about the same. Lose when you "shouldn't" - fall. That is pretty much how it works.

And really, who on earth thinks there is a conspiracy involved?
 
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thread on mens board lamenting we didnt get in plus my post directed toward Tru2ru who for some reason made an attack on me for some reason
 
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I am not saying I don’t believe RU should not be Top 25 ... they do ... but losses sting. The year RU lost to UMASS and win the NIT, RU was the only team that year to score more than UCONN in any half ... but losing to WSU isn’t as bad ... winning this week will get them ranked ... as soon as they are, is when we see the WTF loss
 
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RUChoppin

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Knight Time Fan said:
And really, who on earth thinks there is a conspiracy involved?
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No conspiracy, just a lack of any sort of objectivity. Stanford has no business being anywhere close to the Top 25 with 6 losses, including one to Illinois State... yet there they are. Western Kentucky has a better record against the Top 25 (1-1) than Stanford does (1-5).

Eventually voters will look and say "wait, Rutgers is 19-2? I guess I should vote for them". There's value in being ranked - but we're starting from a perception hole from last year.

Our schedule is also back-loaded this year, so we should be able to accumulate wins and climb the poll ladder before we run into the teeth of it.
 
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RU MAN

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Just keep winning and keeping the eye on the goal of returning to the tourney and everything else like polls will take care of itself.
 
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First off, I’m not overly concerned with our ranking at all at this point. We just have to keep winning and getting better.

But I actually think a bigger reason we aren’t ranked isn’t the WSU loss but the lack of a “marquee” win. While we have a few solid wins that are good for the RPI (NC St, Princeton, Michigan St) we haven’t played anyone beyond SC in the top 25–and those are the wins that get you noticed. As pointed out above, our big 10 schedule is backloaded with big games (including a 4 game stretch of MD twice, OSU, Michigan that is brutal.)
 
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agree with that to...CVS assembled a great schedule because she was able to figure out how to do it to make sure the rpi SOS was strong without having to play a bunch of top teams...obviously SC helps alot to the SOS but playing alot of solid top 100 schools is a good way. On the other hand RU's best win just came at Michigan State..patience grasshoppers
 
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RUChoppin

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sammybb said:
First off, I’m not overly concerned with our ranking at all at this point. We just have to keep winning and getting better.

But I actually think a bigger reason we aren’t ranked isn’t the WSU loss but the lack of a “marquee” win. While we have a few solid wins that are good for the RPI (NC St, Princeton, Michigan St) we haven’t played anyone beyond SC in the top 25–and those are the wins that get you noticed. As pointed out above, our big 10 schedule is backloaded with big games (including a 4 game stretch of MD twice, OSU, Michigan that is brutal.)
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While a marquee win would be helpful to get attention, it hasn't stopped plenty of other ranked teams this season. #11 FSU, #13 Maryland, #16 Oregon State, #19 Texas A&M, #22 Michigan, #23 California, and #25 Arizona State have gone a collective (0-17) vs. the AP Top 25.

Of special note, Texas A&M is 0-4 against ranked teams, and have dropped just one place since starting with a preseason #20 ranking (topped out at #18 and fell as low as #22). Ranking inertia and preseason perception is the biggest reason we're not up there yet... and given that we have no big games on our schedule until February, we need to keep taking care of business and rely on teams ahead of us to lose.

Records against AP Top 25 opponents (at time of the game):
1 UConn (5-0)
2 Notre Dame (4-1)
3 Louisville (3-0)
4 South Carolina (3-1)
5 Miss St (2-0)
6 Baylor (2-1)
7 Tennessee (3-0)
8 Texas (2-1)
9 Oregon (2-2)
10 Ohio State (2-2)
11 Florida State (0-1)... no ranked teams in the next 4 games.
12 WVU (1-1)
13 Maryland (0-2)... plays #18 Iowa on Thursday.
14 UCLA (2-1)
15 Missouri (1-0)
16 Oregon State (0-2)... plays #14 UCLA on Friday
17 Duke (2-1)
18 Iowa (1-1)
19 Texas A&M (0-4)... plays #7 Tennessee in 3 games.
20 Oklahoma St (1-2)
21 Villanova (1-0)
22 Michigan (0-3)... plays #10 OSU on Sunday
23 California (0-3)... plays #25 ASU on Friday
24 Stanford (1-5)... plays #25 ASU on Sunday
25 Arizona St (0-2)... next 4 games are against ranked opponents
26 USF (0-1)... plays #1 UConn on Saturday
27 Rutgers (0-1)... no ranked teams in the next 7 games
 
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RUChoppin

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Have a feeling if we can beat Illinois and Penn State this week, we'll debut in the AP Top 25 next Monday. USF will lose to UConn, and one of ASU/Cal/Stanford is guaranteed to lose and fall out of the Top 25.
 
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bac2therac said:
agree with that to...CVS assembled a great schedule because she was able to figure out how to do it to make sure the rpi SOS was strong without having to play a bunch of top teams...obviously SC helps alot to the SOS but playing alot of solid top 100 schools is a good way. On the other hand RU's best win just came at Michigan State..patience grasshoppers
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Agree with you that Out of conference schedule was super smart this year (as much as one can plan for the quality of your opponents). Good way to build confidence while picking up quality wins.
 
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RUChoppin said:
While a marquee win would be helpful to get attention, it hasn't stopped plenty of other ranked teams this season. #11 FSU, #13 Maryland, #16 Oregon State, #19 Texas A&M, #22 Michigan, #23 California, and #25 Arizona State have gone a collective (0-17) vs. the AP Top 25.

Of special note, Texas A&M is 0-4 against ranked teams, and have dropped just one place since starting with a preseason #20 ranking (topped out at #18 and fell as low as #22). Ranking inertia and preseason perception is the biggest reason we're not up there yet... and given that we have no big games on our schedule until February, we need to keep taking care of business and rely on teams ahead of us to lose.

Records against AP Top 25 opponents (at time of the game):
1 UConn (5-0)
2 Notre Dame (4-1)
3 Louisville (3-0)
4 South Carolina (3-1)
5 Miss St (2-0)
6 Baylor (2-1)
7 Tennessee (3-0)
8 Texas (2-1)
9 Oregon (2-2)
10 Ohio State (2-2)
11 Florida State (0-1)... no ranked teams in the next 4 games.
12 WVU (1-1)
13 Maryland (0-2)... plays #18 Iowa on Thursday.
14 UCLA (2-1)
15 Missouri (1-0)
16 Oregon State (0-2)... plays #14 UCLA on Friday
17 Duke (2-1)
18 Iowa (1-1)
19 Texas A&M (0-4)... plays #7 Tennessee in 3 games.
20 Oklahoma St (1-2)
21 Villanova (1-0)
22 Michigan (0-3)... plays #10 OSU on Sunday
23 California (0-3)... plays #25 ASU on Friday
24 Stanford (1-5)... plays #25 ASU on Sunday
25 Arizona St (0-2)... next 4 games are against ranked opponents
26 USF (0-1)... plays #1 UConn on Saturday
27 Rutgers (0-1)... no ranked teams in the next 7 games
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Point taken, but those teams also weren’t 6 win teams last year. Are any of A&M losses to teams below them? They rarely punish you for losing to a team ranked above you.
 
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RUChoppin

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sammybb said:
Point taken, but those teams also weren’t 6 win teams last year. Are any of A&M losses to teams below them? They rarely punish you for losing to a team ranked above you.
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Yeah, it's based on perception. Had they started the season at 31st where they left off last year, they'd likely still be around that today, just based on poll inertia. They are where they are because the voters arbitrarily decided that's where they'd start during the offseason. Better buzz, better preseason ranking and... voila.

Texas A&M is #19 right now because they were #20 in the preseason poll. They finished last year 31st in the final AP poll with 6 points in "receiving votes" (after making three brief appearances in the Top 25 in weeks 4, 11, and 15), so they somehow impressed people in the offseason enough to get 169 points before the first tip (the most votes they'd had since the end of the 2015-16 season).

So far, they've got 3 wins against RPI Top 100 teams (35 Houston, 42 USC, 66 Central Ark).
 
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RU ... the only P5 team that can go undefeated the rest of the season and be a 2-seed :)
 
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We are getting noticed now. The article by Charlie Creme (link is in another thread) should alert the AP voters who have ignored RU to do a little research and give us a look. Charlie is not usually a big fan of our program. Debbie Antonelli has tweeted about us several times this season including yesterday where she said RU has been in her top 25 for the past few weeks. She also is a big fan of Tyler, calling her a ticket selling player. If we take care of business this week, we will be in the AP top 25 next week, especially as Villanova lost last night, so they should fall out.
 
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