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Tebow was not good enough to make it as a QB before so I am not sure why he is going at it again. He would make a really good tight end but his ego won't let him do that. The funny thing is that he is with Mark Sanchez again. I hope this doesn't mean the GJ is gone.
Philly insiders think GJ may still have a future with the Eagles running some at WR. Personally, I don't think Tebow sticks around too long. They'll pay him long enough to show Sanchez how to run the read/option stuff to make it look like a run enough and how to read the DE/OLB and go from there. From that standpoint, its not a bad idea by the Eagles but he won't be around by the last cut-downs at camp. GJ is a better option for the Eagles anyway. I can see them cutting Barkley loose as well as I don't think he really knows how to run the offense either. Bradford is a better option as well as he has run that offense...sort of. He almost always handed the ball off the Griffin out of the pistol and when he didn't he threw a quick swing pass. I think Kelly is looking for someone who can do all 3 and force defenses to stay honest. GJ is the one that does that best but Philly and the NFL would run him out for running out an undrafted guy over the likes of 2 Heismann trophy winners.
To be fair, is a guy who won a playoff game in overtime with 321 yards passing on 15 yard yards per attempt really not good enough to be a 3rd string QB in the NFL?
Countless examples of guys succeeding when most NFL people thought they wouldn't. And plenty of examples of guys failing when most NFL people thought they would succeed. Tebow is controversial and not PC. Guys who win playoff games are capable of being a 3rd stringer. Just my opinion. Fun to debate.
And then threw 9 for 26 with five sacks the very next weekend and was traded. The NFL deosn't care about controversy they care about making money and you have to win games to make money. Gus Frerotte stated in the league for 15 years because teams saw he could contribute. If anyone thought Tebow could contribute he would still be around.
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He played in the league for 15 years, some of those years he was the starter coming out of camp, others he started because of 1st string QB injuries in MN and DET. I've talked to many fans in those places who thought Gus should have started for MN because he understood how to use Moss effectively when Culpepper did not. He was good in DET when DET wasn't good as a whole. Of course my Father-in-law continues to ask me the last time I talked to Gus "The Head-butter" after the incident in the Meadowlands.
Yeah, the head butting thing was not very bright. My point was simply that the NFL keeps talent around whether they start or not. Either they don't think Tebow can play or her has a horrible attitude.
This is the primary reason, imo, that Tebow continues to get shots in the NFL. The media gives him tons of attention which generates money for the NFL. And you are right that is all the NFL cares about.
When playing at New England in the playoffs when you have an 8-8 team, having a bad game there should not be a career-ender. The list is long of qb's having bad playoff games.
As for 9 of 26? TU's starting QB went 9 for 27 last year in a road game. He is being counted on heavily this year.
I'll put it this way. If you are an opposing defense, would you least rather face in the closing minutes of a game? (a) Dustin Vaughan; (b) Brandon Weeden; (c) Tim Tebow; (d) Blaine Gabbert.
I brought up the Dallas Cowboys current backups for a reason. Interesting that Dallas signed Orton in 2012, who was 1-4 with Denver before being benched for Tebow in 2011. Tebow then goes 7-4 in the regular season. Critics can say Orton's completion percentage was better. It was. Much better.
I could go through a long list of second and third string quarterbacks I'd rather face than Tebow if the game is on the line. If you look at Tebow's stats, he performed much better in the second half, and very well in the clutch.
As an NFL veteran of three seasons, Tebow will make a little more money than a bargain basement first or second year qb. Less likely to be kept around in the salary cap era. And you don't have to deal with any controversy. If Tebow is signed, coaches have to answer questions about him all the time. It is safe not to have to deal with it. Coaches and GM's don't want to deal with a media circus for players who are somewhat borderline.
Tebow's strong opinions on religion are offensive to some people. That is a tough one to bring on to a team in today's climate.
As for the completion percentage argument that people bring up, would it be better for a quarterback to go 18 of 21 for 221 yards, or go 10 of 21 for 321 yards? The 18 of 21 is 86%, must be a great game. I'll take the 48% and 100 more yards.
Coaches and GM's get brainwashed into thinking a certain way. For example, it was conventional wisdom in the NBA draft to pick Oden over Durant. I thought that was ridiculous, take the scorer and better player in today's NBA. It's not like Oden resembled Alcindor.
Sports are full of great players to whom most people wouldn't give the time of day. All it took was one coach to give him a chance. What if that coach wasn't there to give him a chance?
Tebow being signed by the Eagles is a tough situation for Tebow. He likely won't get much of a chance. And everybody will say Tebow is no good.
I still say Tebow can be a third stringer in the NFL.
As for 9 of 26? TU's starting QB went 9 for 27 last year in a road game. He is being counted on heavily this year.
I'll put it this way. If you are an opposing defense, would you least rather face in the closing minutes of a game? (a) Dustin Vaughan; (b) Brandon Weeden; (c) Tim Tebow; (d) Blaine Gabbert.
I brought up the Dallas Cowboys current backups for a reason. Interesting that Dallas signed Orton in 2012, who was 1-4 with Denver before being benched for Tebow in 2011. Tebow then goes 7-4 in the regular season. Critics can say Orton's completion percentage was better. It was. Much better.
I could go through a long list of second and third string quarterbacks I'd rather face than Tebow if the game is on the line. If you look at Tebow's stats, he performed much better in the second half, and very well in the clutch.
As an NFL veteran of three seasons, Tebow will make a little more money than a bargain basement first or second year qb. Less likely to be kept around in the salary cap era. And you don't have to deal with any controversy. If Tebow is signed, coaches have to answer questions about him all the time. It is safe not to have to deal with it. Coaches and GM's don't want to deal with a media circus for players who are somewhat borderline.
Tebow's strong opinions on religion are offensive to some people. That is a tough one to bring on to a team in today's climate.
As for the completion percentage argument that people bring up, would it be better for a quarterback to go 18 of 21 for 221 yards, or go 10 of 21 for 321 yards? The 18 of 21 is 86%, must be a great game. I'll take the 48% and 100 more yards.
Coaches and GM's get brainwashed into thinking a certain way. For example, it was conventional wisdom in the NBA draft to pick Oden over Durant. I thought that was ridiculous, take the scorer and better player in today's NBA. It's not like Oden resembled Alcindor.
Sports are full of great players to whom most people wouldn't give the time of day. All it took was one coach to give him a chance. What if that coach wasn't there to give him a chance?
Tebow being signed by the Eagles is a tough situation for Tebow. He likely won't get much of a chance. And everybody will say Tebow is no good.
I still say Tebow can be a third stringer in the NFL.
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Seriously? You want to compare a Heisman winner and National Championship winner to Dane Evans under Bill Blankenship? Thats funny.
The comparison was in the stats. You're missing the point. You can take stats and make anything you want of the. The Evans comment was meant to be funny. I'm sure I failed on that one.
And the Quiz was never answered. I will repeat. Be honest. If you are a defensive coordinator, who would you least rather face? (a) Dustin Vaughan; (b) Brandon Weeden; (c) Tim Tebow; (d) Blaine Gabbert.
Are you seriously saying that Tebow isn't better than at least one of those guys?
And the Quiz was never answered. I will repeat. Be honest. If you are a defensive coordinator, who would you least rather face? (a) Dustin Vaughan; (b) Brandon Weeden; (c) Tim Tebow; (d) Blaine Gabbert.
Are you seriously saying that Tebow isn't better than at least one of those guys?
Weeden is likely to join Tebow in the job-hunting market. Vaughan at least might have some potential. Gabs wins the Ryan Leaf effectiveness award. Tebow studied passing artistry from Billy Kilmer. George Allen would have signed Tebow.
If you have a 3rd string QB, you want him to invisible and/or a great locker room guy. Tebow fits the mold of neither. I don't think he makes the roster. It just strikes me as a junk signing so they can deal Barkley or Sanchez at less than rock bottom prices. They will make back what they pay him at the exhibition gate and selling stuff. Kinne is a fan favorite. Philly fans like the idea of a QB out there busting his butt on special teams. The management likes him or they wouldn't keep signing him to practice contracts. On the flip side, if we are going to compare resumes, Kinne couldn't compete against Colt McCoy and Sherrod Harris at Texas. He struggled against elite competition while he was here. That doesnt mean he isn't a better QB than Tebow, but if you are talking about investing millions of dollars, impartial heads will sign a guy that won a playoff game experts picked him to lose badly over a guy that hasn't seen the field. GJ brings a lot to the table that Tebow never will. Let's hope they see that.
I was disappointed Philly signed Tebow. First because of Kinne. Second, I've never liked Philly. Although I'd root for them if Kinne is the QB.
Huffy, you are right about what teams are looking for in their third stringers. You make a lot of good points.
LEC, we used to make Billy Kilmer jokes as kids playing backyard football when throwing wobbly passes.
Huffy, you are right about what teams are looking for in their third stringers. You make a lot of good points.
LEC, we used to make Billy Kilmer jokes as kids playing backyard football when throwing wobbly passes.
I once saw Billy Kilmer throw a pass that was end over end but spinning sideways. I guess you call it end around end.
People who didn't see Billy Kilmer play would have a hard time imagining. Just like watching Fred Cox kick field goals.
In that era, shotgun meant the resulting passes were so scattered that no one knew where they were ultimately headed. Tebow certainly fits this description.
I didn't know about the shotgun at UCLA. I did remember Kilmer being one of three quarterbacks for the 49ers in 1961 that all started, with two or them split to the side of the quarterback. They could all run and pass. John Brodie was the quarterback, and the other two split to the side were Kilmer and Bob Waters. Kilmer rushed for over 500 yards that year but only completed 19 passes with no touchdowns and four interceptions ( yes, I looked it up).
I remember a special on NFL Films about it. Frisco starts 4-1 but in game 6, the offense crashed and the shotgun was scrapped. The head coach, Red Hickey, later teachers the offense to Tom Landry, who resurrects it in 1975 as a third down formation without the extra two quarterbacks, calling it the Spread.
Staubach, a Catholic, calls his last minute bomb at Minnesota that year to Drew Pearson a "Hail Mary". Drew was the radio commentator for TU in 1991 during their miracle finishes against A&M and Southern Miss.
I remember a special on NFL Films about it. Frisco starts 4-1 but in game 6, the offense crashed and the shotgun was scrapped. The head coach, Red Hickey, later teachers the offense to Tom Landry, who resurrects it in 1975 as a third down formation without the extra two quarterbacks, calling it the Spread.
Staubach, a Catholic, calls his last minute bomb at Minnesota that year to Drew Pearson a "Hail Mary". Drew was the radio commentator for TU in 1991 during their miracle finishes against A&M and Southern Miss.