A game we should have won

RU MAN

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We played good enough to win and should have won but once again we don't know how to finish in crunch time. And before I talk about our players I want to talk about the officials because I normally DON'T blame them but in this game I BLAME them for the loss. I don't know how many times I saw Iowa players reaching in and slapping RU's arms and not getting calls. An example of a blatant non-call was when Corey had the ball stolen from him. The kid (Bohansen or Baer)slapped his arm and no call. The Iowa players drive the basket and we're in a good position but we breathe on them and we're called for the foul. I counted at least six of those throughout the game.

Now to our own players who in spite of the officials still should have finished this game and won: Freeman played extremely well and it's good to see him back. I think he needs to take more outside jump shots within sixteen feet. CJ is a liability down low. He thinks he's a finesse player and tries to tip everything up instead of grabbing the damn ball and going up strong and either dunk it or get fouled in the process. With that said, I like CJ at the high post. He has good touch and I like the way he distributes the ball.

Secondly: when was the last time Williams hit a meaningful three when it mattered? How about never. Nigel should NOT be shooting threes. His shot is seventeen feet in and once again he tried to dribble drive and got stuffed. He either needs to back out and hit a jumper or dish the ball out. How many times is he going to get his shot blocked before he realizes it? I do however love his court presence but down the stretch both he and Corey gave this game away, especially Corey.

Thirdly: Corey still doesn't get it when he drives down among the trees. He has to dish it or stop and hit a jump shot. Corey can't do it all himself and when he tries he commits too many unforced errors. It started late in the second half when he got fouled going up and missed both FT's. Then on four of the next five possessions he tried to do it all by himself and got the ball taken away from him twice and he missed badly on the other three possessions. When we were up 9 I didn't understand why Pikiell didn't press them and switch defenses?

Fourthly: Right now I am so PISSED off the way we can't finish. I'm wondering if Pikiell needs to start mixing up his defenses including pressing more. When Iowa began that run, I think it would have helped if we had gone zone. Most of their shooters went cold from the outside. I think it would have also helped our bigs not get into so many fouls.

One last thing regarding the officials: We had this crew with the white hair guy and the groomed slicked back black hair guy and they screwed us then and screwed us now. We weren't even in the bonus while Iowa was in the bonus + for more than ten minutes before we even got into the bonus. You cannot tell me that every time we drove or went for a second shot there was no hacking, because there was. I don't mind losing, but when the officials blatantly help out one team over the other especially the home team then it pisses me off. I think this also has to do with we have no reputation so we don't get the calls.

My vent is over. Thank you.
 
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I can't stand Gettys. Nothing more frustrating than a guy with size who is ineffective. Why he was kept in the game down the stretch when he was killing us is beyond me. His experience means nothing when he can't get out of his own way.
 

RU MAN

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FWIW, RU appears vastly improved from last year. I wish we had a PG like Sanders and a rebound machine like Freeman. RU will steal a few this year.
Thank you but from any objective viewer, the officials bailed your team out big time down the stretch. Good luck the rest of the way. I really like Jok a lot.
 

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I can't stand Gettys. Nothing more frustrating than a guy with size who is ineffective. Why he was kept in the game down the stretch when he was killing us is beyond me. His experience means nothing when he can't get out of his own way.
Dude, that's way too harsh. Try rewording it so it's no so personal. He was brought in to play some minutes and that's what he does. A lot of guys on our team need to be coached up, and that takes time. Between Flood and Eddie neither of those coaches did **** the last three years, and our new coaches are working their way up. But don't throw guys under the bus, as pissed as you/we are.
 
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RutgersRaRa

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FWIW, RU appears vastly improved from last year. I wish we had a PG like Sanders and a rebound machine like Freeman. RU will steal a few this year.
Thanks for the kind words, Hawk. You guys are seriously young and McCaffrey has two VERY GOOD recruiting classes coming in, so he will get you back to the Tourney and you'll be a regular fixture there.
 

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FWIW, RU appears vastly improved from last year. I wish we had a PG like Sanders and a rebound machine like Freeman. RU will steal a few this year.
Thanks for the sentiment, but I think a few is asking a little too much from this crew. We just lost to a bunch of freshman. Your future is bright.
 

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During the stretch where we blew the original lead Johnson killed us. When Iowa switched to the zone for the second time we had no answers. Up until that point the offense was fairly efficient for the 2nd game in a row. I think this is how most of the games vs the bottom 5 of the big will go from here on out. Just need to pull a few out. This one was there for the taking. We will have more opportunities like this.
 
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And people were wondering why we are bringing in a JUCO point guard. The last ten minutes are exactly why this team needs a mature true point guard.

17 turnovers, some careless.

On the positives, I wanted Freeman to add a quick move running hook to his game, today he did and got a couple nice baskets using it.

Laurent played under more control and made mostly good decisions, really didn't force plays much. Nice to see and he got added minutes because of it.
 

RUJMM78

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Yes, Rutgers didn't get foul calls on offense but that isn't the reason for the loss.Rutgers had a 9 point lead and then failed to score for over 4 minutes while fouling Iowa on almost every possession.This game is a clear indication how difficult it will be for Rutgers to win any remaining game because there is no margin for error when you can't score.A winnable game thrown down the drain with turnovers,excessive fouling and horrendous shooting and there is no place to turn for relief.
 
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And people were wondering why we are bringing in a JUCO point guard. The last ten minutes are exactly why this team needs a mature true point guard.

17 turnovers, some careless.

On the positives, I wanted Freeman to add a quick move running hook to his game, today he did and got a couple nice baskets using it.

Laurent played under more control and made mostly good decisions, really didn't force plays much. Nice to see and he got added minutes because of it.
This is EXACTLY why we need a true PG just for these crunch time moments. Both Nigel and Corey failed in the final five minutes. And when you couple that with officials REFUSING to call ANY fouls against Iowa (23 to 4 disparity) this is what happens. I commend Pikiell for retaining his composure on the sideline. If that were me I would be ripping these officials. We had them before. This is where I think the B1G misses out. We should have these clowns graded and if they grade low, they don't officiate. If they don't officiate they don't get paid.
 

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I have to say I am a tad forlorn about this loss.
YES it was a road game,,,,but we could have won it

4-15 at the foul line 27%
and
Williams 0-4
Thiam 1-3
SA 1-5
Diallo 1-3
Gettys 1-6
4-21

For the 1st time I think its possible we may not win a single game the rest of the year
I hope I am wrong
 

RU MAN

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Yes, Rutgers didn't get foul calls on offense but that isn't the reason for the loss.Rutgers had a 9 point loss and then failed to score for over 4 minutes while fouling Iowa on almost every possession.This game is a clear indication how difficult it will be for Rutgers to win any remaining game because there is no margin for error when you can't score.A winnable game thrown down the drain with turnovers,excessive fouling and horrendous shooting and there is no place to turn for relief.
I pretty much said this in my post. But did you know there was a 23 to 4 disparity in foul shots? I watched that entire game. We had this officiating crew before. They were mediocre at best the first time. This time they were so bad they should be suspended.
 

RU MAN

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I have to say I am a tad forlorn about this loss.
YES it was a road game,,,,but we could have won it

4-15 at the foul line 27%
and
Williams 0-4
Thiam 1-3
SA 1-5
Diallo 1-3
Gettys 1-6
4-21

For the 1st time I think its possible we may not win a single game the rest of the year
I hope I am wrong
I don't know what's going on with our FT shooting. We started the season so well. Williams has NEVER hit a meaningful shot when it counted and he had plenty of chances down the stretch. And Nigel and Corey were just horrible with their decision making. There was NO reason to lose that game. None whatsoever.
 
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Yes, Rutgers didn't get foul calls on offense but that isn't the reason for the loss.Rutgers had a 9 point loss and then failed to score for over 4 minutes while fouling Iowa on almost every possession.This game is a clear indication how difficult it will be for Rutgers to win any remaining game because there is no margin for error when you can't score.A winnable game thrown down the drain with turnovers,excessive fouling and horrendous shooting and there is no place to turn for relief.


RU reverted back to their nagging bugaboos in the last 8 minutes. Its going be hard for this team to overcome the bad shooting. It will always crop up, I do not think its going to change. Game was lost when RU went up 8 and it seemed like Iowa couldnt do anything right but RU failed to extend the lead which could have built the bigger cushion

RUMan...I think the refs had no effect on this game at all, sorry I just think after every game this board is criticizing the refs
 

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I pretty much said this in my post. But did you know there was a 23 to 4 disparity in foul shots? I watched that entire game. We had this officiating crew before. They were mediocre at best the first time. This time they were so bad they should be suspended.


RU was not being physical taking it to the hoop IMO. Iowa only took 2 foul shots in the first half. In the 2nd half, Iowa was goinng more inside and RU was fouling, simple as that. Iowa took only 5 threes in the 2nd half, RU took 6 in the first half, yet 14 in the third...there is your answer...EDIT my bad on those stats...RU took 5 in first I think and 10 in the 2nd. Our bigs do not have the power and strength around the hoop. Diallo is a foul machine and Corey can be out of control as you saw with that last charge which was reviewed by the way
 
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RutgersRaRa

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I pretty much said this in my post. But did you know there was a 23 to 4 disparity in foul shots? I watched that entire game. We had this officiating crew before. They were mediocre at best the first time. This time they were so bad they should be suspended.
4-15 doesn't mean we didn't have our chances. It means we gave up an additional 7-8 points by shooting horribly at the line. That makes it somewhere near a tie game.
 
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RU MAN

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RU reverted back to their nagging bugaboos in the last 8 minutes. Its going be hard for this team to overcome the bad shooting. It will always crop up, I do not think its going to change. Game was lost when RU went up 8 and it seemed like Iowa couldnt do anything right but RU failed to extend the lead which could have built the bigger cushion

RUMan...I think the refs had no effect on this game at all, sorry I just think after every game this board is criticizing the refs
BAC that's where you're wrong. I usually never comment about the officials, but they were god-awful today. Did you watch the game? Because if you did you would have seen so many non-calls against slap=happy freshmen players reaching, slapping and not moving their feet, while we were called for fouls when we breathed on them. As for why we lost, it's because our two main guards make and continue to make dumb decisions with the ball and shooting. And god, if only Williams can his ONE damn three when it counts, I think I'll faint. And as much as a love Pikiell I don't understand why we didn't press them when we went up 9 (not 8). We should have and then backed into a zone. At that point they couldn't hit anything from outside.
 

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4-15 doesn't mean we didn't have our chances. It means we gave up and additional 7-8 points by shooting horribly at the line. That makes it somewhere near a tie game.
We were not 4 of 15 from the free throw line. We were 4 of 15 from 3. We were 2 of 4 on FTs
 
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I pretty much said this in my post. But did you know there was a 23 to 4 disparity in foul shots? I watched that entire game. We had this officiating crew before. They were mediocre at best the first time. This time they were so bad they should be suspended.
Winning on the road always is difficult for Rutgers.The foul disparity should be brought to the attention of league officials.My concern ,however,is that this team can't play a full 40 minute game .Something always goes wrong and there are no go to scorers to stop the bleeding.
 

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4-15 doesn't mean we didn't have our chances. It means we gave up and additional 7-8 points by shooting horribly at the line. That makes it somewhere near a tie game.
I'm changing this post, because I believe we were 4-15 from three point land. Not FT shooting where we barely got to the stripe.
 

RU MAN

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Winning on the road always is difficult for Rutgers.The foul disparity should be brought to the attention of league officials.My concern ,however,is that this team can't play a full 40 minute game .Something always goes wrong and there are no go to scorers to stop the bleeding.
I don't disagree. We don't have the BB IQ to finish. It's not just hitting the shots. It's what to do when you're in crunch time and both Nigel and Corey folded again. That's why Pikiell is bringing in a true PG. As a team we have to learn how to finish out games.
 

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I'm not disagreeing with that. I don't understand what has happened to our FT shooting. We actually had a good beginning to the season nearly hitting 68-70%. Now we have these kinds of clunkers where we shoot a horrendous 27%. I don't ever recall us ever shooting so badly from the charity stripe.

We were 2-4 from the line.
 

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I don't know what's going on with our FT shooting. We started the season so well. Williams has NEVER hit a meaningful shot when it counted and he had plenty of chances down the stretch. And Nigel and Corey were just horrible with their decision making. There was NO reason to lose that game. None whatsoever.
Yeah,,,whats up with Williams.....he doesnt get minutes now
my guess is ,,,bad D in practise
 

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the issue is whether this guy is a good enough point guard to compete in the league, thats what those who are critical and skeptical of the signing are worried about
 
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I know. I corrected that. We were 4-15 from three point land. Thanks.
yeah...my bad......4-15 was 3s
so add to the problem the REFs sucked....

Every team i root for lost today..........even the Giants are losing big as we speak
its cocktail time LOL
 

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the issue is whether this guy is a good enough point guard to compete in the league, thats what those who are critical and skeptical of the signing are worried about
I'm trusting Pikiell on this one. If he's any good it will open up our offense and give us more options and let Nigel and Corey play their natural positions, because right now they're not making it happen in crunch time with their decision making and shot selection. I look at it this way---if he not any good at this level, it's one schollie. Let's hope Pikiell has top scorers coming on the horizon.
 

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Yeah,,,whats up with Williams.....he doesnt get minutes now
my guess is ,,,bad D in practise

Doubtful. I think it's more bad turnovers. He came in and turned the ball over immediately a couple times. Has the last couple games after having a real good shooting game. And now he isn't hitting shots either.

But defense and effort are not an issue with a Mike.
 
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I think Corey is a good enough PG. To me its very obvious that Corey felt the need to keep the ball the last 3 minutes exclusively because quite frankly Nigel Johnson was terrible all night (especially after the 2H 12 min tv TO) and Mike Williams was nearly non-existent.
 
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Forget about the poor 3-point shooting (which is well chronicled), I've never seen a team miss as many layups, put backs and bunnies than RU. Seriously, we would have won this game by 15 points if we had just made HALF of those layups

Incredibly frustrating loss. We were dominating on defense while building up a 51-42 lead, with Iowa failing to score a FG for 8 minutes. And then the wheels just fell off.
 
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I think Corey is a good enough PG. To me its very obvious that Corey felt the need to keep the ball the last 3 minutes exclusively because quite frankly Nigel Johnson was terrible all night (especially after the 2H 12 min tv TO) and Mike Williams was nearly non-existent.
I would agree but Corey too made some really bad decisions down the stretch. He needs to stop driving all the way to the basket among the trees. He needs to pull up and make a twelve foot jumper. I agree Williams was horrible this game. Couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and had too many turnovers. Nigel was really off his game.
 
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I would agree but Corey too made some really bad decisions down the stretch. He needs to stop driving all the way to the basket among the trees. He needs to pull up and make a twelve foot jumper. I agree Williams was horrible this game. Couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and had too many turnovers. Nigel was really off his game.
Mike only took 4 shots. He needs to be a bigger part of the offense. He is a much better shooter but never got into the flow.
 
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RUJMM78

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I would agree but Corey too made some really bad decisions down the stretch. He needs to stop driving all the way to the basket among the trees. He needs to pull up and make a twelve foot jumper. I agree Williams was horrible this game. Couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and had too many turnovers. Nigel was really off his game.
Williams only took 4 shots.His poor performance is critical because he was one of the few consistent double digit scorers until recently.
 

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I don't know what's going on with our FT shooting. We started the season so well. Williams has NEVER hit a meaningful shot when it counted and he had plenty of chances down the stretch. And Nigel and Corey were just horrible with their decision making. There was NO reason to lose that game. None whatsoever.
There was no reason to but winning is learned. So is losing unfortunately.
 

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I admit I get frustrated quickly and switch the channel as soon as I feel the tide turning. My sense is that coach could make better use of his time outs. We were up 9 on the road. I like the coach to stop the run as soon as he feels it coming.
 

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I admit I get frustrated quickly and switch the channel as soon as I feel the tide turning. My sense is that coach could make better use of his time outs. We were up 9 on the road. I like the coach to stop the run as soon as he feels it coming.
Keep in mind that Pike is learning how to play against better competition and better coaches. Just like players who make the jump from college to the NFL have to adjust to the speed of the game, the coaches who have worked their way up to D-1, especially the top-tier programs that are plentiful in the B1G, know their stuff. Pike is learning, just as Coach Ash is learning. And they are learning without the talent or their own guys. That's why coaches always get at least three years.