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I have been here a while so here are my post game long time Husker fan thoughts.

AM overthrew a ton of guys in the first half. Have no idea what that is about. He seemed to decide he was gonna run a lot more in the second half and it resulted in positive results. Having said that, when he ran in the first half he seemed much slower. Perhaps both have a lot to do with making a decision much quicker.

Mo Washington is obviously our best RB. Dude is sick in the open field and often leaves jock straps on the turf when he is in the open. He also has shown he will turn it upfield and take on contact.

Diedrick Mills looked a lot better with a G-Tech line and triple option offense in front of him. He seemed a lot more unafraid of contact back then in his golden years. He has shown glimpses of that Mills like when he stiff armed the guy while in route to the end zone yesterday and a couple short yardage situations, but he seems much softer than we all anticipated.

Wandale seems like this years Mo, and much tougher in traffic than Mills has so far. If you have any guess who the staff trusts so far, just look at the fourth quarter yesterday. They had Wandale running literally ALL the runs they brought Mills into do this year. Wandale got them to the one yard line with three minutes left. That is Mills time. Put him in and literally end the game with a bulldozing TD. That didn't happen. They didn't even put Mills in to try. Tells me everything.

The defense played pretty damn good again against a crap Illinois offense. Once again, the offense and kickoff team put the D in a horrible position over and over. Imagine how awesome this pretty damn good D would look if our 700 yard offense and competent kickoff team just gave them a chance to go kill the other team?

Mo Berry was the leading tackler, but I did not see him at all like I used to see Lavante David or other great Husker LB's of the past. Tonight the guys I saw were Will Honas and once again Jo Jo Domann. Domann is a missile at times. The D-line was pretty good. The secondary was also pretty good and Lamar Jackson once again showed he can hit when expected, save for that one TD where he looked like he was playing touch football and Cam missed yet another downfield tackle to save a touchdown. In years past, you all hated Nate Gierry for a variety of reasons like he hated going to class, but he a million times was the guy who ran down a runaway runner or receiver going for a TD and prevented that. I would love for Cam or literally any other secondary guy to show he can tackle a guy on the loose forty yards downfield.

We won yesterday. Dismuke obviously interfered on the last offensive play for Illinois. Jackson obviously interfered on a first half play where he latched onto a receiver that was wide open. I encourage them doing that kind of stuff until the zebras call it. I also encourage AM to go play like he knows how to play.
 
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More thoughts.

Spielman was a man among boys yesterday. He got chewed up many times by Martinez throws that hung him out to dry. He deserves much better than he got last night.

Noa was the guy I called this years Westercamp. Then he let a twenty yard first down throw fly through his arms like he was Irving Fryar in the endzone in the 84 Orange Bowl What was that?
 

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They should at least spread the over the middle passes around so one guy isn't getting pounded all the time. if thats what the defense gives us..

I'd like to see martinez connect on a few of them passes but I'd rather him over throw then throw a pick
 
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I think the difference in AMart’s running is that in the first half he was doing more lateral running (which wasn’t working) whereas in the second half he was being much more decisive in just cutting it upfield.
 

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I think the difference in AMart’s running is that in the first half he was doing more lateral running (which wasn’t working) whereas in the second half he was being much more decisive in just cutting it upfield.


I think they are going to set up a shovel pass out of that look next week. At least I hope that's the plan.
 

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Another observation beyond the obvious was the apparently newly installed direct snaps to Washington. Those plays were well timed and resulted in nice gains. We heard that the option may appear but didn’t show up against Illinois. I predict we will see a few options against Ohio State.
 

otismotis08

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Another observation beyond the obvious was the apparently newly installed direct snaps to Washington. Those plays were well timed and resulted in nice gains. We heard that the option may appear but didn’t show up against Illinois. I predict we will see a few options against Ohio State.
Yes, please more option. Assuming AM can run it. That's a huge assumption.
 

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I think the difference in AMart’s running is that in the first half he was doing more lateral running (which wasn’t working) whereas in the second half he was being much more decisive in just cutting it upfield.
Yes, how many times does it take him getting a yard or taking a loss to realized he isn't fast enough to get to the outside. Have much more success when he gets North and South as fast as possible.
 

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AMs decision making this year is a second behind and that’s really hurting right now. There was one play Saturday where they were in the RedZone and a quick decision QB walks easily into the end zone untouched. Instead he hesitated and ***** footed around the edge and the LBs crashed in. He then instinctively looked for his TE in the flat then, who had become wide open because the LB had came off of his coverage to contain AM. Illinois actually gave him an extra second then normal to even throw and yet AM was still too hesitant to just throw it. He definitely saw it. He saw it the second it occurred. It’s like he’s not trusting what he’s seeing or he’s hurting and it’s physically hard to do these things

Sad to say but I hope he’s hurt right now and that’s the problem. Because my true fear is it’s mental. Something that’s much harder to fix. There’s a mechanism is some people’s head that makes them want to do things the hard way. The feel as if something shouldn’t be as easy as it is. This is my fear with him and it happens a lot in sports. Guys waits seconds because of disbelief that it’s that easy and they fight for a challenge so they create their own challenges. This is my read on AM. I really hope I’m wrong. Cause a leg that’s sore or an arm that is nicked up a little will clear up in time. Head problems are much more difficult to overcome
 

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After reflecting on it, I'm almost curious if the team slept on Illinois a bit at the start of the game. With Ohio around the corner we may have just been taking this game for granted with an eye on the Buckeyes.

Seemed like after half we came out and had a different focus. IDK stray thought, but I think if we clean up the turnovers the Ohio game should be entertaining.
 

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AMs decision making this year is a second behind and that’s really hurting right now. There was one play Saturday where they were in the RedZone and a quick decision QB walks easily into the end zone untouched. Instead he hesitated and ***** footed around the edge and the LBs crashed in. He then instinctively looked for his TE in the flat then, who had become wide open because the LB had came off of his coverage to contain AM. Illinois actually gave him an extra second then normal to even throw and yet AM was still too hesitant to just throw it. He definitely saw it. He saw it the second it occurred. It’s like he’s not trusting what he’s seeing or he’s hurting and it’s physically hard to do these things

Sad to say but I hope he’s hurt right now and that’s the problem. Because my true fear is it’s mental. Something that’s much harder to fix. There’s a mechanism is some people’s head that makes them want to do things the hard way. The feel as if something shouldn’t be as easy as it is. This is my fear with him and it happens a lot in sports. Guys waits seconds because of disbelief that it’s that easy and they fight for a challenge so they create their own challenges. This is my read on AM. I really hope I’m wrong. Cause a leg that’s sore or an arm that is nicked up a little will clear up in time. Head problems are much more difficult to overcome


It's also a sign o f an immature player, and a 19 year old true sophomore is going to have moments like this. Film room and work with the coaching staff will inform him moving forward.
 

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Another observation beyond the obvious was the apparently newly installed direct snaps to Washington. Those plays were well timed and resulted in nice gains. We heard that the option may appear but didn’t show up against Illinois. I predict we will see a few options against Ohio State.

You mention direct snap to Mo and then the word option, and immediately I think of a jet sweep motion with wan’del, direct snap it to Mo and then run the option with Mo and wan’del...
 

chicolby

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You mention direct snap to Mo and then the word option, and immediately I think of a jet sweep motion with wan’del, direct snap it to Mo and then run the option with Mo and wan’del...
That could be a winner.
 

chicolby

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Yes, please more option. Assuming AM can run it. That's a huge assumption.
It's not necessarily an assumption if you trust Frost. He's mentioned that he runs the option well, but the teams we've faced haven't had defenses that are conducive to it. That part I struggle with because option teams run the option no matter what defense is presented. Anyway, we'll see, but I think we'll see it a play or two vs. Ohio State.
 

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It's also a sign o f an immature player, and a 19 year old true sophomore is going to have moments like this. Film room and work with the coaching staff will inform him moving forward.

i also think playing with more tempo helps Martinez think faster and not over analyze. It’s been happening all year with his hesitation and it seems to go hand in hand with rarely playing fast tempo. I imagine the tempo could possibly help Jurgens when defense doesnt have time to make a bunch of shifts.
All gas no brakes.
 

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i also think playing with more tempo helps Martinez think faster and not over analyze. It’s been happening all year with his hesitation and it seems to go hand in hand with rarely playing fast tempo. I imagine the tempo could possibly help Jurgens when defense doesnt have time to make a bunch of shifts.
All gas no brakes.

If we are going up tempo this week we better move the ball. A bunch of 3 and outs and we are effectively slitting our own throats. We need to run clock
 

timnsun

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If we are going up tempo this week we better move the ball. A bunch of 3 and outs and we are effectively slitting our own throats. We need to run clock
I don’t think that’s why we go up tempo. Pretty sure we do it just because it looks nice.

Just busting your chops a bit for the obvious post... ;-)
 

otismotis08

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It's not necessarily an assumption if you trust Frost. He's mentioned that he runs the option well, but the teams we've faced haven't had defenses that are conducive to it. That part I struggle with because option teams run the option no matter what defense is presented. Anyway, we'll see, but I think we'll see it a play or two vs. Ohio State.

Agree, TO didn't abandon the option based on defense. He may have altered how often he threw from it, but it still worked. I'm just concerned about mixing in a few options with AM. Although I'd love to see it, just not confident that AM could run it without ball-handling issues. Simple handoffs and RPOs have been problematic for him.
 

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Mills is much softer? Yeah, I don’t see that at all. Maybe he’s not as productive as everyone was hoping, but he ain’t soft.
 

ssmill777

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After reflecting on it, I'm almost curious if the team slept on Illinois a bit at the start of the game. With Ohio around the corner we may have just been taking this game for granted with an eye on the Buckeyes.

Seemed like after half we came out and had a different focus. IDK stray thought, but I think if we clean up the turnovers the Ohio game should be entertaining.
You may be right, but we haven't come out and played with focus for a full 4 quarters yet.
 

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If our kicker can't put the ball in the endzone on the kickoffs we're going to get one run back on us soon.
 

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We do not have any part of the special teams that are being successful at this time!
 

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We do not have any part of the special teams that are being successful at this time!
Armstrong is averaging 46 yrs/punt (18th in the country), with a net punt average of 44. JD is 24th in punt returns.
 
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Mills is much softer? Yeah, I don’t see that at all. Maybe he’s not as productive as everyone was hoping, but he ain’t soft.
Soft was definitely the wrong adjective to use. Ineffective would have been better. I meant to point out that a 190 skinny scat back freshman is finding a lot more space between the tackles than the supposed bruiser that can create his own space. Wandale looked like Rex Burkhead down the stretch. Put the ball in his hands and let him wear the other team out. That is literally what Mills was brought here to do. Put him in to just demoralize a tired defense. They didn't do that. Makes you wonder why.
 

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I have been here a while so here are my post game long time Husker fan thoughts.

AM overthrew a ton of guys in the first half. Have no idea what that is about. He seemed to decide he was gonna run a lot more in the second half and it resulted in positive results. Having said that, when he ran in the first half he seemed much slower. Perhaps both have a lot to do with making a decision much quicker.

Mo Washington is obviously our best RB. Dude is sick in the open field and often leaves jock straps on the turf when he is in the open. He also has shown he will turn it upfield and take on contact.

Diedrick Mills looked a lot better with a G-Tech line and triple option offense in front of him. He seemed a lot more unafraid of contact back then in his golden years. He has shown glimpses of that Mills like when he stiff armed the guy while in route to the end zone yesterday and a couple short yardage situations, but he seems much softer than we all anticipated.

Wandale seems like this years Mo, and much tougher in traffic than Mills has so far. If you have any guess who the staff trusts so far, just look at the fourth quarter yesterday. They had Wandale running literally ALL the runs they brought Mills into do this year. Wandale got them to the one yard line with three minutes left. That is Mills time. Put him in and literally end the game with a bulldozing TD. That didn't happen. They didn't even put Mills in to try. Tells me everything.

The defense played pretty damn good again against a crap Illinois offense. Once again, the offense and kickoff team put the D in a horrible position over and over. Imagine how awesome this pretty damn good D would look if our 700 yard offense and competent kickoff team just gave them a chance to go kill the other team?

Mo Berry was the leading tackler, but I did not see him at all like I used to see Levante David or other great Husker LB's of the past. Tonight the guys I saw were Will Honas and once again Jo Jo Domann. Domann is a missile at times. The D-line was pretty good. The secondary was also pretty good and Lamar Jackson once again showed he can hit when expected, save for that one TD where he looked like he was playing touch football and Cam missed yet another downfield tackle to save a touchdown. In years past, you all hated Nate Gierry for a variety of reasons like he hated going to class, but he a million times was the guy who ran down a runaway runner or receiver going for a TD and prevented that. I would love for Cam or literally any other secondary guy to show he can tackle a guy on the loose forty yards downfield.

We won yesterday. Dismuke obviously interfered on the last offensive play for Illinois. Jackson obviously interfered on a first half play where he latched onto a receiver that was wide open. I encourage them doing that kind of stuff until the zebras call it. I also encourage AM to go play like he knows how to play.
yes to pretty much all. I hope Wandale and/or mills assert themselves even more....I struggle to cheer for Washington.
 

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Another observation beyond the obvious was the apparently newly installed direct snaps to Washington. Those plays were well timed and resulted in nice gains. We heard that the option may appear but didn’t show up against Illinois. I predict we will see a few options against Ohio State.

Betting the direct snap wrinkle was supposed to debut on 9/28, not 9/21.
 

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More thoughts.

Spielman was a man among boys yesterday. He got chewed up many times by Martinez throws that hung him out to dry. He deserves much better than he got last night.

Noa was the guy I called this years Westercamp. Then he let a twenty yard first down throw fly through his arms like he was Irving Fryar in the endzone in the 84 Orange Bowl What was that?

Noa has been a massive disappointment. Doesn't appear to have good hands or even decent speed.. maybe he is a good blocker on the perimeter though. Definitely not even close to the player Westerkamp was.
 

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Soft was definitely the wrong adjective to use. Ineffective would have been better. I meant to point out that a 190 skinny scat back freshman is finding a lot more space between the tackles than the supposed bruiser that can create his own space. Wandale looked like Rex Burkhead down the stretch. Put the ball in his hands and let him wear the other team out. That is literally what Mills was brought here to do. Put him in to just demoralize a tired defense. They didn't do that. Makes you wonder why.

WR is clearly much better at making people miss. This isn’t a case of mills must suck because WR is getting more touches. WR is a freak and can make something out of nothing, which with this O line, is a huge asset. I don’t really like the idea of #1 running in between the tackles too much because he isn’t big enough and I don’t want him taking too many direct shots by BIG linebackers or DL. Mills is necessary and he isn’t bad. If he could learn to bounce it outside sometimes, and hold onto the damn ball, he could be pretty good.
 

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Doesn't Mills have a couple of fumbles already? If so, I'm guessing that's why he was not given the ball on the goal line.
 

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We are looking very two dimensional in passing though. Spielman and Wandale. Stoll once in a while. If we can't show more threats of receivers, good teams like OSU and Wisconsin and Iowa will shut that down.

I know we have some injured and some indefinitely suspended. But McQuitty? Woodyard? Austin Allen? Rafdal? Mike Williams or Miles Jones? to Anyone else willing and able to run a route? Concerns me but it's early. One injury to JD and we are looking super thin. This is not new information. Not saying anything we don't know but it's become very evident.
 

WoodRiverJennings

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We are looking very two dimensional in passing though. Spielman and Wandale. Stoll once in a while. If we can't show more threats of receivers, good teams like OSU and Wisconsin and Iowa will shut that down.

I know we have some injured and some indefinitely suspended. But McQuitty? Woodyard? Austin Allen? Rafdal? Mike Williams or Miles Jones? to Anyone else willing and able to run a route? Concerns me but it's early. One injury to JD and we are looking super thin. This is not new information. Not saying anything we don't know but it's become very evident.

Mike Williams has caught a few passes and seems to be able to get open. I wonder what is up with Miles Jones though, would like to see what he can do.
 

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Soft was definitely the wrong adjective to use. Ineffective would have been better. I meant to point out that a 190 skinny scat back freshman is finding a lot more space between the tackles than the supposed bruiser that can create his own space. Wandale looked like Rex Burkhead down the stretch. Put the ball in his hands and let him wear the other team out. That is literally what Mills was brought here to do. Put him in to just demoralize a tired defense. They didn't do that. Makes you wonder why.

the most underrated talent of a RB and the most difficult to scout is vision
many can locate the large hole or alley that is going to get you a 10-20 yard run
the best can also find the creases that get you 3-4 yards when others would have been stopped for no gain
 
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If our kicking game was set I think we could win the big 10....but our kicking game is absolutely horrible...at every aspect. We haven't had a game in recent memory against any opponent where we had 700 yards of offense and gave up 300 yards of defense...66 on one play. But they outgained us in the punt/kick game by that 400 yards, which is nearly impossible to do. Everybody on here pointing out wr, rb, qb...we are good enough to win at those positions. Our K, and P, Kr defense, and Pr offense are awful....and as you know I will forgive literally everything that Frost does...but having a bad punter is not forgivable.
 

ssmill777

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Soft was definitely the wrong adjective to use. Ineffective would have been better. I meant to point out that a 190 skinny scat back freshman is finding a lot more space between the tackles than the supposed bruiser that can create his own space. Wandale looked like Rex Burkhead down the stretch. Put the ball in his hands and let him wear the other team out. That is literally what Mills was brought here to do. Put him in to just demoralize a tired defense. They didn't do that. Makes you wonder why.
Too many fumbles?
 

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4 games in, I am thinking most of our offensive JUCOs and transfers have not panned out very well.
 

bshirt73

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I have been here a while so here are my post game long time Husker fan thoughts.

AM overthrew a ton of guys in the first half. Have no idea what that is about. He seemed to decide he was gonna run a lot more in the second half and it resulted in positive results. Having said that, when he ran in the first half he seemed much slower. Perhaps both have a lot to do with making a decision much quicker.

Mo Washington is obviously our best RB. Dude is sick in the open field and often leaves jock straps on the turf when he is in the open. He also has shown he will turn it upfield and take on contact.

Diedrick Mills looked a lot better with a G-Tech line and triple option offense in front of him. He seemed a lot more unafraid of contact back then in his golden years. He has shown glimpses of that Mills like when he stiff armed the guy while in route to the end zone yesterday and a couple short yardage situations, but he seems much softer than we all anticipated.

Wandale seems like this years Mo, and much tougher in traffic than Mills has so far. If you have any guess who the staff trusts so far, just look at the fourth quarter yesterday. They had Wandale running literally ALL the runs they brought Mills into do this year. Wandale got them to the one yard line with three minutes left. That is Mills time. Put him in and literally end the game with a bulldozing TD. That didn't happen. They didn't even put Mills in to try. Tells me everything.

The defense played pretty damn good again against a crap Illinois offense. Once again, the offense and kickoff team put the D in a horrible position over and over. Imagine how awesome this pretty damn good D would look if our 700 yard offense and competent kickoff team just gave them a chance to go kill the other team?

Mo Berry was the leading tackler, but I did not see him at all like I used to see Levante David or other great Husker LB's of the past. Tonight the guys I saw were Will Honas and once again Jo Jo Domann. Domann is a missile at times. The D-line was pretty good. The secondary was also pretty good and Lamar Jackson once again showed he can hit when expected, save for that one TD where he looked like he was playing touch football and Cam missed yet another downfield tackle to save a touchdown. In years past, you all hated Nate Gierry for a variety of reasons like he hated going to class, but he a million times was the guy who ran down a runaway runner or receiver going for a TD and prevented that. I would love for Cam or literally any other secondary guy to show he can tackle a guy on the loose forty yards downfield.

We won yesterday. Dismuke obviously interfered on the last offensive play for Illinois. Jackson obviously interfered on a first half play where he latched onto a receiver that was wide open. I encourage them doing that kind of stuff until the zebras call it. I also encourage AM to go play like he knows how to play.

A very good post sir. I fully agree that due to the circumstances our defense was VERY good. Just as you say, the kicking game and offense had our defense in brutal bad positions for a big part of the game.

However, the real mystery is totally on AMart. The 4th qt looked precisely like last year's AMart (at his best) and was impressive as hell. Ran like TMart (almost anyways) and threw the passes so nicely! Why?? What happened?? It's way over my head.
 

HuskerBruce81

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A very good post sir. I fully agree that due to the circumstances our defense was VERY good. Just as you say, the kicking game and offense had our defense in brutal bad positions for a big part of the game.

However, the real mystery is totally on AMart. The 4th qt looked precisely like last year's AMart (at his best) and was impressive as hell. Ran like TMart (almost anyways) and threw the passes so nicely! Why?? What happened?? It's way over my head.


We threw the ball 3 times in the 4th quarter. For 22 yards. Wandale opened things up in the running game.