Yup, about right. Maybe 2nd? But either way….maybe this serves as post season motivation
3rd Team ALL BIG for both..
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Just to make it clear:
- Both were 3rd Team All Big Ten
- Both are on the Big Ten All Freshman Team (should be 3 Top 10 picks and 4 1st round picks depending on Queen.)
yeah i dont know why the OP is so sloppy with this thread title
thanks for clearing it up
Guess it's safe to say that all the pre-season reports and posts about Braden Smith's death (without Edey) were premature?
This says Ace/Dylan were only "Honorable Mention"
I saw another article that had then as 3rd teamers.
I saw another article that had then as 3rd teamers.
definitely cannot complain about anything...Dylan and Ace didnt make their team or teammates any better
its interesting that Michigan State won the conference yet their only players were 2 3rd teamers...Izzo team ball and much deserved coach of the year
its interesting that Michigan State won the conference yet their only players were 2 3rd teamers...Izzo team ball and much deserved coach of the year
The only ones who feel this isn’t accurate is some RU homers. Simply didn’t live up to the preseason hype. Little defense, poor shot selection and checking out mentally at times will drag down potential.
I thought you said time and time again it was their supporting cast that failed to make team better. Ah,forget it you're always all over the place, blaming everything and everyone,consistency is not your forte.
Does it consider the whole season (i.e. including non conference play?). If so I think Dylan probably deserves 2nd team on individual play alone though I'm not sure Ace deserves to be on it at all.
does the basketball all conference team for the B1G conference consider non conference games
The All-B1G teams are usually determined by:
ChatGPT said:
Yes, the All-Conference team selections for the Big Ten (B1G) Conference primarily consider conference play when evaluating players. While non-conference performances can help build a player’s overall reputation, the coaches and media voters typically focus on performances within Big Ten games when making their selections.The All-B1G teams are usually determined by:
- Conference statistics (how a player performed against Big Ten opponents)
- Impact in Big Ten play (team success, consistency, and individual contributions)
- Voting by coaches and media members, who tend to emphasize conference games over non-conference ones
Does Ace Bailey deserve to be on the 3rd team all confernce
Here’s what would determine if he deserves Third-Team All-B1G:
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ChatGPT said:
Ace Bailey hasn’t played a college game yet, so it’s too early to say whether he deserves a Third-Team All-Big Ten spot. However, based on his talent and expectations, he has the potential to earn such honors.Here’s what would determine if he deserves Third-Team All-B1G:
- Production in Conference Play – If he averages around 13-16 PPG, 6-8 RPG, and plays strong defense, he’d have a strong case.
- Rutgers’ Success – If Rutgers is competitive in the Big Ten, it boosts his chances.
- Impact vs. Older Competition – As a freshman, he’ll have to prove he can dominate against experienced Big Ten players.
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I get that the season didn't go the way we expected/hoped, but Dylan finished 4th in the conference in scoring, 10th in steals and 11th in assists. I have no problem with Queen being freshman of the year, but how the coaches have Dylan as only "honorable mention" all conference is difficult for me to understand.
Likely not impressed by 1 and dones
Generally if you are on a bad team its going to hurt. He also missed several games
Also sometimes these awards are like lifetime achievements...see the guys on Nebby/Nw
I understand, those points all make sense, but I wasn’t lobbying for first or even second team. I really think he deserved third team. Oh well, at least the media agrees.
Whatever the rules or guidance is - I would expect the Coaches/Media to do the opposite.
Me too.
Smith was both a much better shooter than I thought he would be without Edey (and better shooting than he was last season), and was a better play-maker ... Shocked as I watched him during the season with how many assists he was able to generate (more than with Edey, even). All the credit to Smith for continuing to improve.
Food for thought: Who has been the last player RU has had who has improved so much from freshman season to sophomore, to junior seasons? Douby? Maybe Omoruyi, actually (though his improvement from Sophomore to Juniro year had more to do with ONE skill he improved: better hands ... his offensive game skills did not improve that much) - though I insist he took a real backward step as a Senior. Who is the last RU player who emerged as a bonafide star - and an All Big Ten player (1st or 2nd team) by his Junior season from playing like a freshman as a freshman?
I would like to believe you are joking, but I understand your personal limitations
In every game in which Dylan was healthy, he was the best player on the court.
Did you listen to the expert analysts calling the games? They could not stop raving about him. I suspect you didn't because your ego leads you to believe you know more than any expert.
I am sure you would rather have some other player in the league 30 feet from the basket with the ball in his hands during the last minute of a tied game, but there is no way in hell an opposing coach would not be more worried about Harper, even when admitting Harper had a far weaker supporting cast.
How about scoring average? Where did he rank in the league - on an honorable mention level? Consider that he did this with a weak supporting cast also.
No team in the league wanted to see Harper bringing the ball down the court in the last minute of a tied game. You should be outraged at the decision to insult him, but you would rather bash Rutgers and its coach.
Thank you for your "joke" about Harper and Bailey, two freshmen, making their teammates better! How exactly were they supposed to do that - personally teach them to rebound and play defense - AS FRESHMEN?
Am I a homer for expressing my support for Harper? Get back to me after the draft - when we see how these also-ran's in your eyes are perceived in the eyes of the real experts.
This league has a huge bias against RU, and this is just another confirmation of that bias.
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No he wasn't
Iowa for one..Purdue another...Bashir on Monmouth was better...osu game..MD Queen best
Nba Draft has zero to do with selections
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Your post argues why they shouldn't be on the first/2nd teams
freshmen who didn't make their teammates better..that's why alot of freshmen don't end up 1st team
Speaking as a fan of another team -- I don't think there's a vendetta against Rutgers. These two guys had many games in which they compiled some impressive offensive numbers. But many voters, especially coaches, require more than that before awarding top honors.
I'm not the kind of guy who complains about such things, but I think that several Maryland players who were completely shut out of any awards deserved better. We all think that about guys on our favorite teams...
Given your observation, it should be noted that Paul Mulcahy was also an all Big Ten Honorable Mention. Paul did make his team better, despite having much less talent.
If Harper and Bailey fall out of their projected draft positions, they, not Pikiell, will be responsible. Pikiell didn't tell them not to play defense. He didn't tell them that a lackluster effort in some games was just fine.
I don't put a lot of focus on post season popularity votes. But I do get a kick out of RU fans denigrating their own. Exactly how do you know they didn't make their teammates better? Exactly how talented did you think the supporting cast actually was? Also, they were often playing with 2 other freshman on the floor at the same time. Opposing D's were pretty much focused solely on stopping Dylan who was doubled / trapped by opposing D's most of the season.
They are not falling out of their draft positions. ESPN put out the article below with recent feedback from NBA executives, and this year did not hurt Dylan and Ace’s draft status, and in fact they were very clear that Rutgers problems were the result of a poor supporting cast, described as “bad mid major” by one executive.
that is the old program vs player argument.
I have always said it is about your next 3 guys not your first 3. Everyone has 2-3 studs, on any team in any sport.