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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Buckaineer" data-source="post: 130974155" data-attributes="member: 1428007">(B)The program made progress right away, year one. Can't be denied. The previous coach had some of the same players and couldn't get it done, but Holgorsen did. Immediately.ANSWER: Yes he does(B)Beyond that you've conveniently leaving out that in Holgorsen's second year (and remember he had to start one year early) WVU was forced to leave the Big East and join the BIG 12--a HUGE change up. WVU had to go against entirely new teams and coaches in new venues. Had long travel to each game. Had to play 9 conference games. And the conference was far superior in talent to the Big East WVU left with more top ten and ranked opponents.ANSWER:  Total misunderstanding or mischaracterization.  WVU didn't move into a new conference under Brown's watch, and the players on the team aren't moving into a new conference. They've been in the BIG 12.   By your standards Holgorsen was moving into two new conferences when he came to WVU.  His first year as coach he won the Big East, 10 games, and a historic BCS bowl win over heavily favored Clemson.Brown has so far eked out a win by a td late over an fcs team and was blown out by a middling Missouri team that was defeated by Wyoming.(B) Also, the previous coach left Holgorsen with severe depth issues that took about 3 to 4 years to correct.ANSWER:  Holgorsen was left with a deficit of talent after the previous coach underecruited for years.  Brown doesn't share that problem, its a total mischaracterization of what he inherited.  Brown inherited players from a team that contended for the BIG 12 championship the previous year.  Brown had what was supposed to be the top RB corps in the BIG 12.  64 yds and two games later shows the coaching prowess at hand.  Top ten offense the year before, after two games rated 7th worst in all fbs.  Again this illustrates the coaching ability.  Could there be a dropoff from the previous year--sure, but from top ten to bottom ten?  NO.(B)And, Holgorsen brought in some of his own players year one as well. Around 12 players.ANSWER:  Yes, but people claim Holgorsen simply inherited an entire team of players and had no coaching influence on that 10 win BCS winning team.  Its simply not true.  And now they are claiming Brown is struggling because of Holgorsen as though he has no influence on the players he brought in or those he inherited or chased off.  Simply not true on either front.(B)Now, Brown came in with what should have been the best RB corps in the BIG 12 and schemed up the second worst running attack in college football.ANSWER:  LIE.  Complete fabrication.  Holgorsen had two ten win seasons.  Beat multiple ranked teams--more high ranked wins than any coach at WVU in history outside perhaps RR.  And WVU competed against major programs like OU and Alabama in many games he coached, despite not having the stable of top notch recruits those programs enjoy.  Holgorsen was the second winningest coach in the history of WVU football.(B)He inherited many players from an offense that was top ten last year. They didn't all go pro. Brown and co. have taken that top ten offense straight down the toilet and coached it into the 7th worst offense in the nation--#123 of 130.ANSWER: Go to the WVU roster and read.  Anyone not a freshman(and then again even some of them) Brown inherited.  And he pushed out at least 9 players that WERE on the roster, many highly regarded starters.  Being named All-American or all BIG 12 is meaningless.  There are teams across the country winning that do not have any fit that fake necessity.(B)The defense can't tackle or cover. Special teams are missing kicks and giving up return yards.ANSWER:  WVU under Holgorsen had some decent defensive years.  He was bashed every year for the D even though two d coordinators were forced on him.  That's the point--Brown is being excused when the claim was the D would be sooooo superior.  The D isn't better.  38-7 dispels that myth.(B)Some of you want this to be Holgorsen's fault--but he is long gone. Brown has many players he brought in himself for this year, and he chased off at least 9 players--many starters from last years program.ANSWER: LIE?  Holgorsen isn't gone?  Brown didn't bring in any players?  Brown didn't chase off at least 9 WVU players--many starters?  All statements are true--you are lying if you pretend they aren't true.(B)This is ALL on Neal Brown and co.ANSWER:  ALL on Neal Brown.  Nothing happening now has anything whatsoever to do with Holgorsen.(B)They've taken a team on the brink of breaking through to a BIG 12 championship and turned it into a pitiful shell.ANSWER:  WVU was in contention for the BIG 12 championship until the FINAL game of the regular season.  That is a FACT.  You obviously don't like facts.  You also apparently don't understand that WVU plays in one of the toughest conferences in the country--they were never going to walk through such a difficult conference.  WVU also playes 10-11 P5 games per year, while i.e. acc and SEC teams are playing 8-9 and up until a couple years ago even the b10 played 8-9.(B)Holgorsen would have won (again) at least 7 or 8 games with the same team, and would have brought in a few more players himself. The RBs would have hundreds of yards rushing and WVU very well would have beaten Missouri.ANSWER: An opinion supported by actual YEARLY results over 8 years.  Only once did he not meet that.  Two ten win seasons (how many of those has WVU EVER had?)  Two 8 win seasons, and three 7 win seasons.  That's better than virtually every coach ever at WVU outside RR and Nehlen.  There's more evidence to support a 7-8 win (at least) season than not.  You have NOTHING to support that he wouldn't have.(B)Now its start over as though WVU is Kansas and always has been.ANSWER:  NOW--as in this year.  But people are acting as though WVUs new coach inherited some terrible team in need of a total rebuild, when he really inherited a team near the top of the BIG 12 that contended up to the final game for a championship in that conference, that returned what was supposed to be the TOP RB corps in the BIG 12 this year.  WVU was not a bottom dwellar, but under this new staff WVU looks poised to have one of the worst ever seasons in program history.</blockquote>

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