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RUFAN4LIFE!

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So it went up from 580,000 to 800,000? We really only allocated 580,000 for assistants before? Add that to the long list of reasons we've failed so badly. The increase is great and will help, but something tells me that's still not enough -- at least not enough to compete with the type of assistant other Big Ten programs have.
 
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Since we still have the lowest paid coach in the B1G, I would have liked to have seen Pikiell take a little less so we could up to the pool of $$ for assistants to about $1M. Looks like Pat might have to hire the assistants on the cheap.
 
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Local Shill said:
Since we still have the lowest paid coach in the B1G, I would have liked to have seen Pikiell take a little less so we could up to the pool of $$ for assistants to about $1M. Looks like Pat might have to hire the assistants on the cheap.
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Pretty sure Pikiell is not the lowest paid.
 
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RUFAN4LIFE! said:
So it went up from 580,000 to 800,000? We really only allocated 580,000 for assistants before? Add that to the long list of reasons we've failed so badly. The increase is great and will help, but something tells me that's still not enough -- at least not enough to compete with the type of assistant other Big Ten programs have.
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I know your point...you get whatvyou pay for and we had the worst staff in the league
 
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Gents if we are paying our head coach the BIG minimum or the least or tied for least don't expect the school to pay anything other than bare minimum for assistants. It is sad but true I'm sure TCU is gonna give Dixon the money he needs to hire a staff to win. We are at the point where we make excuses why we do things and put spins on it to make it look good. For example this is the worst job in the power 5 so no one wants the job. That is a BS excuse the difference between Rutgers and TCU basketball is not much both school have not been in the dance since the 90's. The bigger difference between the schools is that TCU is currently showing that they are sick of losing and made the proper investment to win. While we make excuses why we can't win others just make moves to WIN. Same old story here from me but I feel it is true money is the reason we are in this position. Why can TCU do this but we scrape the bottom of the barrel. IMO it's all on us TCU alumni must really give back. It's a private school in Texas and they can get it done. It's all on us Gents don't blame others it's our lack of giving that have us hiring guys that no one else wanted at the lowest salary in the BIG. Donate donate donate instead of complaining or don't donate and we will be bottom feeders until the BIG money comes.
 
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ScarletRunner said:
Considering we landed Pikiell for $400K/year less than the Hurley offer, that number is a little disappointing.
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This is not necessarily true. Some of the reports stated the "offer" to Hurley was $1.5 million per year ... for 5 years ... there might have been one report saying $2 million per year, but I do not buy it. Which would mean Pikiell actually got more money, for 1 more year, than the rumored Hurley offer. Which might even make sense, since in my opinion Pikiell has better credentials than Hurley.

And I am still not convinced there was a firm offer to Hurley from RU. There was baggage associated with Hurley, in my opinion - and some indications from connected posters on this Board that RU had to get over a hurdle or 2 with Hurley from RU's perspective, before settling on him. It was never clear if that hurdle from RU's end was ever resolved. I remain convinced that Hurley withdrew his name from consideration of the RU job at least in part because RU was continuing its due diligence on coaching options, and Hurley did not want to wait in case he did not get the final offer, or in case it looked like he was not the 1st choice ... so he withdrew to save his own face, in my opinion. Or at least that is likely (not certain, because who really knows). And I think Hurley overplayed his hand ... again.
 
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This is not necessarily true. Some of the reports stated the "offer" to Hurley was $1.5 million per year ... for 5 years ... there might have been one report saying $2 million per year, but I do not buy it. Which would mean Pikiell actually got more money, for 1 more year, than the rumored Hurley offer. Which might even make sense, since in my opinion Pikiell has better credentials than Hurley.

And I am still not convinced there was a firm offer to Hurley from RU. There was baggage associated with Hurley, in my opinion - and some indications from connected posters on this Board that RU had to get over a hurdle or 2 with Hurley from RU's perspective, before settling on him. It was never clear if that hurdle from RU's end was ever resolved. I remain convinced that Hurley withdrew his name from consideration of the RU job at least in part because RU was continuing its due diligence on coaching options, and Hurley did not want to wait in case he did not get the final offer, or in case it looked like he was not the 1st choice ... so he withdrew to save his own face, in my opinion. Or at least that is likely (not certain, because who really knows). And I think Hurley overplayed his hand ... again.
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Agreed. Carino reported that Hurley was offered $1.6 M a year - not $2 M - and he is quite reliable.
More money for assistants is desperately needed, so at least another $220 K is a start.
 
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alot of these coaches have incentives/deals that kick the final amounts higher. I would think that Pikiell is in the bottom 4 with Chambers, Pitino, and Collins
 
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RUFAN4LIFE! said:
So it went up from 580,000 to 800,000? We really only allocated 580,000 for assistants before? Add that to the long list of reasons we've failed so badly. The increase is great and will help, but something tells me that's still not enough -- at least not enough to compete with the type of assistant other Big Ten programs have.
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I agree. The intention is great, but why not do what they need to do to get whoever they need to rise up to the next level (which is generally the way they've been spinning everything to the fans/media)
Anyone have stats on overall asst coach salaries in BIG? 800K still seems low to me even if it's much more than before, but maybe I'm wrong?
 
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jellyman said:
And I am still not convinced there was a firm offer to Hurley from RU.
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I also got this feeling. I have no doubt that figures and commitment and facilities were discussed. But, I also think Hobbs was having similar conversations with at least one other candidate and had not firmly settled on Danny Hurley when he removed himself from consideration. I also think some agent told him that it would not be good for his brand if he stayed in the running and RU selected another candidate over him. Reminds me of Martinelli loudly rejecting RU a few years back when he was far from being offered the job.

Anyway, glad to see some good money for assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Carter back or see Shoes stay. (But I wouldn't want both.) I'd really like to see Brian Ellerbe get a spot. He could certainly play D...and he has BigTen Tourney Champ Coach on his resume.
 
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According to Carino, he is.
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article I saw said lowest (in his first year), with 100K increases each year moving forward.

"Pikiell agreed to a five-year contract worth an average of $1.6 million, as first reported by Gannett New Jersey. His starting salary will be the lowest in the Big Ten at $1.4 million, with annual increases of $100,000 and standard performance bonuses for on-court and academic achievement."
 
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RUFAN4LIFE! said:
So it went up from 580,000 to 800,000? We really only allocated 580,000 for assistants before? Add that to the long list of reasons we've failed so badly. The increase is great and will help, but something tells me that's still not enough -- at least not enough to compete with the type of assistant other Big Ten programs have.
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maybe it explains how we ended up with mike o'Koren after 6 months
 
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soundcrib said:
So how much of that $800K needs to be allocated for a new recruiting shark?
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The records at St. Johns are probably not public, but, I'm curious how much they pay Slice and the recruiting guy they hired from Kansas St (I think).

if the total pool is $800,000, is that for 3 spots or does it include DOBO and other spots?

If only 3, you can pay, 350, 300 and 150 (maybe for a younger staff member- Freeman ?
 
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RUFAN4LIFE! said:
So it went up from 580,000 to 800,000? We really only allocated 580,000 for assistants before? Add that to the long list of reasons we've failed so badly. The increase is great and will help, but something tells me that's still not enough -- at least not enough to compete with the type of assistant other Big Ten programs have.
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I hope the plan isn't just to reward assistants from Stony Brook or Rutgers by giving a significant pay raise.Rutgers needs proven recruiters more than anything else and that requires paying a competitive salary to the competition in the B1G.
 
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RU fanatic said:
Wonder if that number is just assistants or entire staff?
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It says "assistants" so, until we hear otherwise, I'll assume it''s JUST his "assistants" but we'll see (I sure hope it's not "entire staff" but it obviously isn't out of the realm of possibilities...).
 
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You guys crack me up! At $1.6M, he is going to be paid around the mid 30's of the highest paid basketball coaches overall. If you look at the coaches that made the Final 32 this year, about 10 of them make much lower than $1.6M. I don't think we went cheap on the hire, we got the best candidate and paid him a substantial increase and within top 40 range of coaches.
 
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njknightsfan said:
You guys crack me up! At $1.6M, he is going to be paid around the mid 30's of the highest paid basketball coaches overall. If you look at the coaches that made the Final 32 this year, about 10 of them make much lower than $1.6M. I don't think we went cheap on the hire, we got the best candidate and paid him a substantial increase and within top 40 range of coaches.
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Well done sir.
 
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I'm not concerned with the HC salary, just making sure he gets what is needed to find assistants that will make a strong impact.
 
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RUFAN4LIFE! said:
So it went up from 580,000 to 800,000? We really only allocated 580,000 for assistants before? Add that to the long list of reasons we've failed so badly. The increase is great and will help, but something tells me that's still not enough -- at least not enough to compete with the type of assistant other Big Ten programs have.
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Look at it this way. From what I understand, the assistants weren't allowed to do much of anything...not that I thought they were capable of much outside the recruiting of sanders. So basically, we threw 580k down the toilet. At least now we should do better with 800k since we can't do much worse.
 
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