OT: Learjet crash near West Palm Beach

bbnkat02 · Tuesday at 5:45 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9e8lk5dpj7no

The left elevator ripped off. Unrecoverable.

NociHTTP · Tuesday at 9:21 PM

bbnkat02 said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9e8lk5dpj7no

The left elevator ripped off. Unrecoverable.

They're trying to figure out whether the horizontal stabilizer was sheered off because of the storm they went into, or if it was because of the extreme speed they were travelling at on descent. Either way there was no recovering from this.

NociHTTP · Tuesday at 9:24 PM

BC_Wader said:
You have to go to ChatGPT to help you with life problems?

So YOU to try and minimize what others are feeling. Keep it up.

NociHTTP · Tuesday at 9:27 PM

CatinIL said:
Forgive me if I get this wrong but that image shows what I would call a faint ghost like image of the horizontal stabilizer on the left (looking at the image). It’s hard to tell if the one on the right is there but it looks like there might be something there. Regardless, it’s a tragedy.

The horizontal stabilizer was gone before they reached that point.

*Fox2Monk* · Tuesday at 9:51 PM

Beatle Bum said:
I heard one pilot comment that the information she provided was clear and better than most pilots provide.

She seemed in control for how much the situation was spiraling out of control. Anyone would be screaming about to hit the ground.

bbnkat02 · Tuesday at 10:21 PM

*Fox2Monk* said:
She seemed in control for how much the situation was spiraling out of control. Anyone would be screaming about to hit the ground.

We all would. Because when you have no other options left that's all you can do. That and pray.

BC_Wader · Tuesday at 10:35 PM

NociHTTP said:
So YOU to try and minimize what others are feeling. Keep it up.

An AI program will never know how you're feeling and can help you as much as you think it does. Because, you know, it's not human. Just sayin'.

Catfan in Tn. · Wednesday at 6:14 AM

NTSB finds 'no evidence' of Mar-a-Lago connection after Florida jet crash kills nine people

The Learjet 60's left elevator was found miles from the Palm Beach County crash site, adding to evidence the jet broke apart before killing all nine aboard.

www.foxnews.com

bigblueinsanity (the real) · Wednesday at 6:20 AM

preacherfan said:
There is almost never a plane accident that can be attributed to a single cause or error. The NTSB will look for multiple reasons why this plane went down and make recommendations to make sure it never happens again.

The decision to fly into that weather may very well amount to pilot error but there are most likely other issues/factors that may have caused this tragedy. Keep in mind that we have something the pilot didn't have: 20/20 hindsight.

I get it but it isnt exactly 20/20 hindsight when apparently everyone agrees you cant fly that plane into that storm. They should've gone around it.

Apparently the impact was so bad even the black box might not survive. So we might never know who made the ill-fated decision to not go around.

Pygmy Sasquatch · Wednesday at 11:54 AM

bbnkat02 said:
Was that the cargo plane that was caught on dash cam that just fell out of the sky? If so, I'll never forget that one. Awful. I'm sorry man.

Thanks, man.

It was a USAF MC-12W. They were on a recon flight in Afghanistan in 2013.

preacherfan · Wednesday at 1:16 PM

bigblueinsanity (the real) said:
I get it but it isnt exactly 20/20 hindsight when apparently everyone agrees you cant fly that plane into that storm. They should've gone around it.

Apparently the impact was so bad even the black box might not survive. So we might never know who made the ill-fated decision to not go around.

That is the pilot's decision. It is not up to ATC, the co-pilot, or the passengers to make the decision.

bbnkat02 · Wednesday at 9:43 PM

Pygmy Sasquatch said:
Thanks, man.

It was a USAF MC-12W. They were on a recon flight in Afghanistan in 2013.

Ah ok. You saying that it was out of Kandahar reminded of that flight where the cargo shifted and it just brought the entire plane down. One of the first times I can truly recall watching a plane just fall out of the sky. It was both terrifying and sad, but the physics involved were wild.

I think we've gotten soooo used to conquering a lot of nature that when we watch gravity and physics actually say "Nope." it's humbling.

Again, sorry about your friend. I hate when any of our troops get killed, but it's especially awful when it just on routine flights and/or training.

bbnkat02 · Wednesday at 9:45 PM

BC_Wader said:
An AI program will never know how you're feeling and can help you as much as you think it does. Because, you know, it's not human. Just sayin'.

True. I use ChatGPT sometime when working on projects as a digital "rubber duck". I explain what I'm doing so I get out of my head and it will sometime suggest interesting ideas to explore. But I always use my own feelings and logic as the final call.

NociHTTP · Wednesday at 10:20 PM

bigblueinsanity (the real) said:
I get it but it isnt exactly 20/20 hindsight when apparently everyone agrees you cant fly that plane into that storm. They should've gone around it.

Apparently the impact was so bad even the black box might not survive. So we might never know who made the ill-fated decision to not go around.

Unfortunately flying a plane isn't the same as not pressing the thumbstick up on your XBox controller. And unless they were on top of all of that (which they requested) they wouldn't have a bird's-eye view to see what started where. Someone mentioned on Reddit that the storm they deviated from could have been concealing a cell off to the right. IMO they were trying to go around it.

gbl97 · Wednesday at 11:19 PM

BC_Wader said:
An AI program will never know how you're feeling and can help you as much as you think it does. Because, you know, it's not human. Just sayin'.

You might be surprised...

Catfan in Tn. · 2026-11-05T06:36:12-0600

Timeline of Learjet crash that killed Austin family traces final minutes from takeoff to Florida plunge

Air traffic control audio captures the doomed Learjet crew's final words before the fatal crash in Greenacres, Florida, after icing and turbulence.

www.foxnews.com

Pygmy Sasquatch · 2026-11-05T12:12:49-0600

bbnkat02 said:
Ah ok. You saying that it was out of Kandahar reminded of that flight where the cargo shifted and it just brought the entire plane down. One of the first times I can truly recall watching a plane just fall out of the sky. It was both terrifying and sad, but the physics involved were wild.

I think we've gotten soooo used to conquering a lot of nature that when we watch gravity and physics actually say "Nope." it's humbling.

Again, sorry about your friend. I hate when any of our troops get killed, but it's especially awful when it just on routine flights and/or training.

They were in a combat zone. Their mission was to locate and track the enemy and direct our ground forces toward them. Like you said, things can happen to anyone; it was an experienced and well trained crew but physics overrules experience sometimes.

ftp000 · 2026-11-05T13:05:12-0600

truckbrandon said:
That audio is so heart breaking

Yeah, I didn't want to hear that. But they played it on a radio show i was listening to while I was in the shower. Couldn't do much about it.
It has haunted me since

Wayne Dougan · 2026-11-05T14:15:18-0600

I am an aviation enthusiast who watches those Pilot Debrief episodes on YouTube. There are so many amateur pilots who get disoriented in the clouds who end up going into a graveyard spiral. The worst are the late teens / young adults who are in full blown panic mode screaming to tell their parents they love them - and this is when they still have control of the plane - but know they are in deep sh*t. Compared to some of that, the lady-pilot in FL was professional and reserved. I was impressed with her bravery.

Kantucke_rivals · 2026-11-06T08:43:58-0600

NTSB has a tough job ahead with the plane basically being vaporized. There's virtually a 0 chance the data recorders survived impact.

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