One year of Florida spending $20m+ hardly makes that the mean. Kentucky will always be among the top of basketball spending while Florida fights with the football team gobbling up their budget.
I have changed my mind about Nate Oats
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May has a pretty good team in Dallas and they don’t look bad. Can’t see him leaving unless they absolutely collapse.
People talked so much crap about Calipari, untill he was OUR coach...it would be the same with Oats... just win baby !
Supposedly bama basketball NIL is down in tier 4 at like 10 to 12 million for the roster... if true, Oats could really pull in some bigger talent with a UK level budget.
Quoted you, just because its worth repeating how unqualified Pope was for the UK job and hiring him was a huge gamble. Whoever made that decision basically rolled the dice and said if Pope works out it will be a good story. In my opinion, Any average coach can come to UK now and win 22 games and finish 5th to 8th in the SEC because we have a top 4 NIL budget. 25 million to build a roster, lots of average coaches could have popes success with that.
I like his stats, definitely more qualified resume that Pope had. I was upset when Pope was hired, I would have been fine with Shertz and said, well if the big hires turned us down, we got a guy that looks like he can coach and win games. The Pope hire was, two guys turned us down and Mitch had Pope 3rd on his list literally... Pope and pearl were off limits supposedly and not even asked or considered...as well as many other qualified coaches apparently.
What you dont get, is the hiring of Mark Pope was such a bad hire by Mitch Barnhart, fans are desperate for any change in the future that would have potential. Pope has never won more than 25 games, never wont his conference and never this and that on and on, Pope had no qualifications to get the UK job and he is an average coach. Any average coach could come to UK and win 22 games, finish 5th to 8th in the SEC with our 20 to 25 million dollar NIL roster budget.
Oats is on the list of possible good hires, not necessarily the top of the list, but qualified...he has won 30 plus games in a season, won his conference, got a final four and so on at a football school with reportedly low tier NIL around 12 million roster budget.
I understand people might not like Oats personally or want him at UK. However, to argue his resume isn’t good enough or he’s no better than Pope is crazy. He took Buffalo to the round of 32. He took Alabama to a final four and has won the SEC multiple times. His resume blows Popes out of the water. He’d be an instant spark
He’s won the SEC and made a freakin final four at Alabama. He’s not getting new the support that he would here.
Outside of his first year he’s made the tournament every year and made the second weekend all but one of those years and that was one of his early teams. The last four years Alabama has been a 4,2,4,1 seed in the tournament. I might be wrong but i believe they were the number 1 overall seed the year they got the 1 seed.
Point is, outside of Hurley or Golden, Nate Oats is the best out there and would kill it here.
Outside of his first year he’s made the tournament every year and made the second weekend all but one of those years and that was one of his early teams. The last four years Alabama has been a 4,2,4,1 seed in the tournament. I might be wrong but i believe they were the number 1 overall seed the year they got the 1 seed.
Point is, outside of Hurley or Golden, Nate Oats is the best out there and would kill it here.
Yup and he would kill recruiting here. Imagine if Oats had Momcilivic. He may shoot 18 3’s a game by himself.
We need a winner. Kentucky deserves the highest level winner as a head coach. We also need an administration that can competently evaluate candidates. The first person I would call is Pitino- not to return as coach, but to help evaluate prospects and give guidance with hiring the next coach.
The Bama F4 team with Sears and Grant Nelson was really good, gave that dominant UConn team the best run they had all tournament, including Purdue. Spot on!
If he had UK’s NIL budget he might need three years to lose ten games.
They lost 12 games that year. They did beat UNC but the rest of the games to get to the final four. A 13 seed, a 12 seed and in the elite eight another 12 loss team in Clemson.
Neither is coming to UK, ever. Donovan isn't coming back to college basketball (I don't blame him), and it's questionable if Pearl would want to now.
This is not about Tubby Smith. Tubby was fine early. "Ten Loss Tubby" was what people started saying his last four or five years when he was phoning in his entire job and losing ten games every season and wasn't getting it done anymore. And this guy @Get_over_it wants us to bring in Oats because he's only losing ten games a season at the height of his success and acts like it's a selling point.
Sears was an undersized low ranked kid out of Ohio (university not state) and Nelson was a white kid out of North Dakota. His teams are consistently comprised of low ranked no names but he has also demonstrated the last 2-3 years that he can put together top recruiting classes and get kids to the NBA. I’d have to look at it but I believe Bama also put up the biggest fight against Michigan last year. I think he’d reach a level that UK hasn’t experienced in years but he seems unable to put together a team that can handle good “bigs” so that is something you’d have to live with. He can basically coach at this level for the next 25 years and nobody in Ttown will legit complain. By year 5 the folks in blue would be getting restless.
I absolutely do not get the love afair for Oats. A close running between Scott Drew and Nate Oats in who I would least want to be UK's next coach. I might seriously give up being a fan if Oats is hired. I am a lifelong fan and yes, I'm entirely serious. I just could not support him. On top of all of that's I think he's genuinely not capable of winning the championship, bad defense will always catch up to him at some point in the tournament.
Not so sure about Pitino giving guidance on next head coach. If I recall correctly the last guys that ole Rick recommended were:
Ford
Pelphrey and
Pope.
Maybe keep Rick out of the loop.
also, whores.
But Oats did sign Brandon Garrison after seeing him for 2 years. That's gotta be taken into account negatively at some point.
Oats is a good coach. He would be a hire most of the fanbase would get behind. But the amount of money it would take to buyout Pope, buyout Oats, and then pay Oats to come here makes me think it's a pipe dream currently. We don't have the most NIL in CBB, though many here somehow think the money pit is bottomless. We are definitely top 20 but nowhere near number 1. Would the fanbase turn on Oats if he failed to land top 10 recruits because we kept getting outbid? (That is in no way a defense of Pope or an explanation for him losing top recruits). It is just an example question.
Yeah I'm gonna pass on calling Pitino for anything. He suggested and gave his blessing for Pope to Mitch. He's suggested Pelphrey and Ford in the past if I remember correctly. And have you looked at the strippers he hired to sleep with his players at U6? Wooof... That man does not select good candidates.
Love ya Coach, but stay up there and keep your d!ck outta UK's Kool-Aide.
Pitino is an egomaniac. There are neutral search firms that can offer a better evaulation.
Exactly. Cal was a cheating SOB until he left Memphis...
Pitino was a god until he went to Loserville...
I couldn't care any less about winning the social pages. Granted, I don't think Urban Meyer's Gators were a good look, but they did win big.
Basically what Michigan did. Problem is that's like trying to catch lightning in a bottle with the lid closed and you got shaky hands.
We hired a coach who had never won a tournament game and whose best year at UK was a sweet 16. Now bashing a coach whose last year equaled Popes best year? What does that say about our coach?
Nah….without Nike spoon feeding him and K whispering in his ear, which won’t happen at UK, I don’t think you’d be happy.
It means not guilty in a court of law and you can’t override it just because you have a conspiracy theory.
The BG effect may possibly be the final nail in his coffin!But Oats did sign Brandon Garrison after seeing him for 2 years. That's gotta be taken into account negatively at some point.
Oats is a good coach. He would be a hire most of the fanbase would get behind. But the amount of money it would take to buyout Pope, buyout Oats, and then pay Oats to come here makes me think it's a pipe dream currently. We don't have the most NIL in CBB, though many here somehow think the money pit is bottomless. We are definitely top 20 but nowhere near number 1. Would the fanbase turn on Oats if he failed to land top 10 recruits because we kept getting outbid? (That is in no way a defense of Pope or an explanation for him losing top recruits). It is just an example question.
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