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Innocent until proven guilty is my motto... But that being said, this is nothing. IF Trump were somehow held accountable, he wouldn't lose a singe Republican vote. The ***** was ASKING FOR IT.
 
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hopefultiger13 said:
Innocent until proven guilty is my motto... But that being said, this is nothing. IF Trump were somehow held accountable, he wouldn't lose a singe Republican vote. The ***** was ASKING FOR IT.
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I'm not sure that's accurate..Republicans, in fact most rational people, should look at the first accusation the woman in the dressing room...not being disrespectful, just can't remember her name...and wonder how do you sexually assault someone is a dressing room...first they're really small, and there normally is an attendent close by who would have heard screams..but all that aside, he was found guilty...

No if a second woman came by with another accusation, you have to give some questions as to "is this a pattern", But, you have to ask, or at least I did, why wait 30 years/ trump was president in 2017, why not bring it up then?

Anyway, no way any of us can know what's true or false ....but makes for great debate
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Well, it's not like we didn't already know he was a rapist.

Former Miss Switzerland Beatrice Keul accuses Donald Trump of rape in shocking new congressional report
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and yet, knowing he's a rapist (your words) the majority of the country voted for him over the Democrat candidate. To me that says the majority don't believe you, or the Democrat candidate was really a bad choice...
 
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baltimorened said:
I'm not sure that's accurate..Republicans, in fact most rational people, should look at the first accusation the woman in the dressing room...not being disrespectful, just can't remember her name...and wonder how do you sexually assault someone is a dressing room...first they're really small, and there normally is an attendent close by who would have heard screams..but all that aside, he was found guilty...

No if a second woman came by with another accusation, you have to give some questions as to "is this a pattern", But, you have to ask, or at least I did, why wait 30 years/ trump was president in 2017, why not bring it up then?

Anyway, no way any of us can know what's true or false ....but makes for great debate

and yet, knowing he's a rapist (your words) the majority of the country voted for him over the Democrat candidate. To me that says the majority don't believe you, or the Democrat candidate was really a bad choice...
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baltimorened said:
I'm not sure that's accurate..Republicans, in fact most rational people, should look at the first accusation the woman in the dressing room...not being disrespectful, just can't remember her name...and wonder how do you sexually assault someone is a dressing room...first they're really small, and there normally is an attendent close by who would have heard screams..but all that aside, he was found guilty...

No if a second woman came by with another accusation, you have to give some questions as to "is this a pattern", But, you have to ask, or at least I did, why wait 30 years/ trump was president in 2017, why not bring it up then?

Anyway, no way any of us can know what's true or false ....but makes for great debate

and yet, knowing he's a rapist (your words) the majority of the country voted for him over the Democrat candidate. To me that says the majority don't believe you, or the Democrat candidate was really a bad choice...
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Trump is an aducated sexual assaulter. A jury found him liable for that. That's a fact. He IS THAT. Folks still voted for him, thus my post. MAGAs have no problem with it.
 
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hopefultiger13 said:
Trump is an aducated sexual assaulter. A jury found him liable for that. That's a fact. He IS THAT. Folks still voted for him, thus my post. MAGAs have no problem with it.
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adjudicated sexual abuser, but not a rapist?

insofar as MAGAs...only 27% of voters are registered republicans...can't win a national election with that %... lot of others voted for trump as well. so back to my original post, that tells me the majority, not just MAGA either didn't believe it, or the democrats put up a really poor candidate
 
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By not raping someone in 1993.
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that's an interesting statement....but what evidence does a prosecutor introduce to prove his/her case?

You must wonder, well maybe not you, but why would someone wait 30 years and through a trump presidential term and finally make an accusation, that she most likely can't prove. Have you seen any evidence that proves her case?
 
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baltimorened said:
adjudicated sexual abuser, but not a rapist?

insofar as MAGAs...only 27% of voters are registered republicans...can't win a national election with that %... lot of others voted for trump as well. so back to my original post, that tells me the majority, not just MAGA either didn't believe it, or the democrats put up a really poor candidate
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That's a strange false dilemma you created there ... why the need to create a logical fallacy to defend your Fuhrer? The possible choices aren't limited to 2 ... 1. that people don't believe the accusations/findings, or 2. that the Dems put forward a really poor candidate. It could also be 3. the people who voted for Trump are bad/immoral people who would rather have power than morality, and don't care if he is a criminal and sexual abuser, and it wouldn't matter who the Dems put forward, their votes wouldn't change. Trump himself said he could shoot someone in the middle of downtown NYC and he wouldn't lose a vote. Now, you could claim that this is because of the quality of the opposition, but that's not the only possibility, as I already explained. It's time you take responsibility for your actions, rather than assert only options that don't hold you accountable for your horrible judgment.
 
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baltimorened said:
that's an interesting statement....but what evidence does a prosecutor introduce to prove his/her case?

You must wonder, well maybe not you, but why would someone wait 30 years and through a trump presidential term and finally make an accusation, that she most likely can't prove. Have you seen any evidence that proves her case?
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Have you seen any evidence that disproves her case? I've seen a ton of evidence that proves he's a sexual predator and criminal, so, when yet another accusation of sexual misconduct arises, it tends to get more credence in the public arena straight away. We'll let the legal system deal with the legalities.

Listen, guy, you've already proven yourself wholly unreasonable when it comes to matters of Trump's sexual and criminal activities ... remember when you wouldn't give in and admit that stating that you'd be dating your own daughter, if only you weren't related, wasn't an appropriate thing to say, and it meant he was looking at his daughter in an inappropriately romantic/sexual way? Yeah, that was epic. Remember when you wouldn't address the fact that he bragged that he sexually harassed pageant contestants by barging in on them unannounced while they were disrobed, and laughed that they couldn't do anything about it because he owned the place. Nor would you address him nodding affirmatively when his own daughter portrayed him as a sexual predator.

Then you recently followed it up with the suggestion that being an absentee father, who had absolutely nothing to do with his kids while they were growing up, was evidence he's a great father (again, knowing that he said he'd want to bang, or he'd be banging his daughter, if only they weren't related).

So, you're pretty much compromised when it comes to these types of issues.
 
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Moogy said:
Have you seen any evidence that disproves her case? I've seen a ton of evidence that proves he's a sexual predator and criminal, so, when yet another accusation of sexual misconduct arises, it tends to get more credence in the public arena straight away. We'll let the legal system deal with the legalities.

Listen, guy, you've already proven yourself wholly unreasonable when it comes to matters of Trump's sexual and criminal activities ... remember when you wouldn't give in and admit that stating that you'd be dating your own daughter, if only you weren't related, wasn't an appropriate thing to say, and it meant he was looking at his daughter in an inappropriately romantic/sexual way? Yeah, that was epic. Remember when you wouldn't address the fact that he bragged that he sexually harassed pageant contestants by barging in on them unannounced while they were disrobed, and laughed that they couldn't do anything about it because he owned the place. Nor would you address him nodding affirmatively when his own daughter portrayed him as a sexual predator.

Then you recently followed it up with the suggestion that being an absentee father, who had absolutely nothing to do with his kids while they were growing up, was evidence he's a great father (again, knowing that he said he'd want to bang, or he'd be banging his daughter, if only they weren't related).

So, you're pretty much compromised when it comes to these types of issues.
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I haven't seen any evidence either way, which is why I asked. Unfortunately for your position is that in our legal system the burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt....

But, you know that. You're just so closed minded on anything that has to do with trump that sometimes you don't think rationally, IMO. But hey, you're entitled to your opinion just as I'm entitled to mine.
 
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I haven't seen any evidence either way, which is why I asked. Unfortunately for your position is that in our legal system the burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt....

But, you know that. You're just so closed minded on anything that has to do with trump that sometimes you don't think rationally, IMO. But hey, you're entitled to your opinion just as I'm entitled to mine.
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The problem here is, you didn't make a point. You just went into your "both sides defense of Trump" mode, because it's like Tourette's for you. But there was no point to it.

You didn't counter anything I said or claimed, you didn't establish anything ... it was just like some itch that you felt you need to needed to scratch. Some urge you couldn't resist.

Meanwhile, the reality is, he's a self-admitted sexual predator, a self-admitted (and bragging) sexual harasser of underage women, and someone who admitted to lustful feelings for his own daughter, as well as someone who was adjudicated to be a sexual abuser. And you and your wife support him.

It's no one else's fault but your own that this is the case. The fact that the other candidate wasn't as good, in your opinion, doesn't excuse away your support for him. And you can pray to your imaginary being in the sky for forgiveness that you're this way, but you still did it, and still do it, and you have to live with it.
 
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Ultimately, some people are fine voting for someone who has been found liable for sexually assaulting someone, and other people are normal and decent individuals.

That's the difference.
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well, it seems as if at least a majority of American voters feel that way...maybe Hillary is right the majority of Americans fit into the basket of deplorables.
 
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