And I agree 100% with your post. Its the "Heck has shown he can have GREAT games". That's pure nonsense. He's done no such thing. He's had ONE good game influenced by our run game stomping Washington into a mud hole the first three Q's. That's it.
Jeremy Hecklinski=short Leash; Hank Brown=no leash
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Perhaps Lester wants Jeremy and kirk wants Hank. It might be an ongoing debate.
No. You are ludicrous. What are you even talking about?
KF "wants Brown over Heck"? Then why did Heck start today? And why was it an open competition into the season?
If Heck is too risky for KF, why did he recruit him?
They both suck. More evidence of how terrible KF is at evaluating QB talent.
Which of these teams below $25M would you trade positions with the last even 5 years with NIL.
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You have made a lot of posts on here tonight that amount to what you always do: shilling for KF. You said in one of your posts that Iowa isn't getting a capable QB as long as the current free agency system exists.
1) how do dozens of equal or lesser programs manage to do so. Illinois has been playing a true freshman since their starter went down. CFU just beat BYU with a guy at QB that transferred from FIU. Threw for 293 and three TDs. That is ONE example.
2) how do you explain ONE Iowa QB being an NFL starter (and that only because of injury to starters) in KFs 27 years here prior to this year. Which QB on the current roster is going to change that?
List the teams that have won championships in the CFP era that didn't have excellent QB play
How does the post you responded too have anything to do with what I said? I said Heck hasn't had any great games. Has he? As to your post, maybe your right, and Iowa under Kirk doesn't put enough resources to getting THAT QB. Fair statement. Maybe he puts more emphasis throughout the roster, and that leads to us being a pretty good team that can't beat the OSU's of the world. So I guess here's the question. Lets say he does the opposite and spends the money on a QB, and worries less about other positions. Do we win more? You named a bunch of other teams who have brought in better QB's. Hell right in the B1G. How many are winning more on a regular basis. Illinois, you mentioned. Nebraska, Wisconsin, Purdue. Minnesota etc.. plus lesser schools you mentioned. Are they winning more games year to year?
To add, some of those funds go to retention of current players on both sides of the ball. Would we still have a solid defense most years if we had to over spend at one spot, and started losing some stars from other positions? Its just a question, not saying there's a right or wrong.
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It's pretty obvious that a lot of you have planted your flag in either the Heck or Hank camp and won't view the play objectively.
Heck was given the opportunity to run with the starting job today and was not good. Hank came in and was the same or just marginally better.
Both missed throws so it's impossible to say "we would have won, if xxx played the whole game"
It was like watching the Keystone cops yesterday, EVERY player was falling over each other to outdo the the latest mistake. Complete cluster f*ck
Heck was given the opportunity to run with the starting job today and was not good. Hank came in and was the same or just marginally better.
Both missed throws so it's impossible to say "we would have won, if xxx played the whole game"
It was like watching the Keystone cops yesterday, EVERY player was falling over each other to outdo the the latest mistake. Complete cluster f*ck
There isn’t one thing Hank does at the average level of a an average big ten quarterback, besides his big arm and big size. He has zero pocket awareness, can’t run, panics under pressure, bad ball security, not accurate with his throws, deep ball is always a shot in the dark. If we had average qb play, we are in the playoffs.
Supposedly Lester signed off on all 5 QB's currently on the roster......
My OP brings to question why Heck’s leash is so much shorter than Brown’s.
Brian. Why are you not concentrating on ending Fresno State’s two game losing streak on your bye week than coming on here and digging up memories of the glory days of Deacon Hill and Spencer Petras? The Bulldogs are counting on you!I would certainly hope this is an overreaction.
Hoping a HOF career ends sooner than later.You can't make this **** up
And Heck had a good drive going until (IIRC) a linebacker laid out and made a great play on the ball that would have likely been 6 if not for a fantastic individual effort by the Minnesota linebacker who picked off the pass near the goal line. Brown also had some terrible misses throughout the game, which included the last drive where DJV was wide open on a simple post route. Ball wasn’t even close, and there’s no excuse for that when you’ve had seven drives under your belt prior to that one. And it’s not like Brown had pressure in his face. He just flat out missed DJV by a country mile.
So, yes, we can go back and forth on this. IMO, Heck sucked slightly less yesterday but was never given a real opportunity to settle into the game. That’s, again, the question in the OP. Why? IMO, and I emphasize IMO, Heck has slightly more upside than Brown. If not for a fantastic individual effort by Tony Diaz on an impressive YAC and easy pitch and catch to RVZ on the one and only Iowa scoring drive, Brown was otherwise awful. If it wasn’t a dump off pass to the tight end, many of his throws weren’t close.
So, again, I ask: Why is Brown’s leash so long?
Read better.I would certainly hope this is an overreaction.
Hoping a HOF career ends sooner than later.
I have always stated this. That they weren’t a legitimate top 15 team without a quarterback.
I wish Iowa could get one of those non-excellent QB's that goes #10 in the NFL draft.
Because quarterback play is nominally important. Excellent point.
Let’s just have Iowa run a wishbone or wing-T. RUN THE FOOTBALL!
I would say that the staff had decided he's the best option, and by staff I mean Lester, the QB coach and Kirk. Right or wrong, but I don't see that much difference in either guy. I've said from the start of the season that by the end of the 2nd game they needed to pick ONE guy and go with it. What were seeing right now is not good for either guy, and I think it shows in the lack of consistency from both guys. After yesterday, where do they go now? Neither played well, and neither believes it his job, and we're in game 8 of the season. I also said last week I thought Heck had earned the start against Minny. They probably should have left him go at least the first half, but here we are.
My apologies. I imagine I'm responding to multiple posts as the forum is turning into a cesspool as it usually does after a loss.
McCarthy threw for 2,991 yards completing 72% of his passes for 22 TDs to 4 INTs that year. Not exactly Heisman numbers, but not bad when your team rushes for over 2,500 yards and puts up 40 TDs on the ground.
Last year, Gronowski threw for 1, 741 yards, completing 63% while putting up 10 TDs to 7 INTs.
I will take McCarthy’s non excellence at Iowa every f#cking year.
Brian Ferentz is seeing double. No wonder we looked lost when he was offensive coordinator. He thought there were 22 guys on defense!
We made a drinking game out of it at the bar I was watching. If we threw an incompletion on first down we had to drink on second down if we ran it for minimal gain.
It helps cope
I’m still waiting for a response from anyone that addresses why Brown’s leash seems so much longer. We all have opinions, but none of those opinions address why Heck can supposedly take over the starting job and not even get one full half of football to try to settle into the starting role.
I think to answer your question. They mostly feel like Hank is the safer play but also has the bigger arm and bigger size. Heck is the boom or bust qb equivalent to a streak shooter in basketball. Probably the same rational used as to why Alvaro played so little against Illinois.
If qb play at Iowa isn't very good, then there must be other ways to win games.Because quarterback play is nominally important. Excellent point.
Let’s just have Iowa run a wishbone or wing-T. RUN THE FOOTBALL!
Because 90% of the programs across the country would kill to be Iowa
I'm going to give KF and TL a break as far as having HB and JH on the roster, as they really had to scramble in the portal after having 4 QB's transfer after the '24 season. HB was brought in in Dec just to make sure we had a warm body. Gronowski was TL's hand-picked guy to come in as QB1 in Jan, Then JH was basically taken off the scrap pile in May.
What I DO blame them for is having these two as the top options for this season. If they genuinely thought that one of these two was going to develop into a B1G QB by this season, then they are pretty poor judges of QB talent and/or Lester way overestimates his ability to develop a QB.
If the narrative is true that Iowa just didn't have NIL $ to bring in a B1G QB because of the amount spent on Diaz, then I'd say they did a poor job of allocating NIL $. Diaz doesn't do us a lot of good with no one to get him the ball; he's likely gone after this season. I think our offense would be in better shape having a solid QB throwing to RVZ, B. Jackson and our TEs.
I've been a fan of TL since he arrived, and he's given life to the offense for the most part, but that BF/Petras/Deacon flashback yesterday was nauseating. The jury is still out on TL. He's got Bess sitting in the wings, and it's basically gotten to the point that all his eggs are in that basket. Pressure will be in the stratosphere for Bess to be the next Drew Tate, and for this offense to start looking more like '02-'04, or at least '08-'10, and a lot less like '21-'23 and what we saw today.
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