Musk helping an enemy state kill innocent civilians.
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not sure that's really an accurate thread topic. Sound like the link was slowed down on Ukranian "attacking drones".
Unless you meant stopping Ukranians from killing russians
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Would anyone be surprised if Ned was a Russian bot?
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It’s amazing how many people have turned their back on this country and its people.
I would!!! Just trying to make sure your concern is properly stated. You wouldn't want to give us the wrong impression.....would you?
So, just from a curiosity perspective, what would you have the US do? remember, we've complained about our weapon inventory, so giving Ukranians our limited stock, doesn't make much sense. We could give them money, but we've talked about decreasing our defense budget, and Oh, we're 40 trillion in debt..and we've complained about that. Want to get our peacemaker president involved..well isn't he?
in your opinion, what's the end game in Ukraine/Russia? Do you think there's the possibility of Ukraine regaining the ground the Russians are currently standing on? Are you satisfied with the number of people - both military and civilian being killed on both sides? Want us to send ground troops? Who's going to pay to rebuild Ukraine...oh we're 40 trillion in debt. How about TPS for Ukranians...couldn't do that they're white.
So what's your solution?
Is yours to let Putin wage a war of conquest across Eastern Europe?
well Flaw, you've done it again...you answered my question with a totally unrelated question.
But, I'll bite, should we go to a full NATO-Russia war to prevent Russia from taking territory in Ukraine? your turn
If that's what it takes, yes.
I'm not sure how my question was unrelated at all. You seemed to be suggesting that any country should be able to conquer any other county whose allies have a national debt.
The way his posts are written, I said that after the first couple post that I read.
But man are those Libs owned or what?
first of all, we do not have any signed alliance with Ukraine. So in reality we are not allies. Most Americans would have no idea where the Ukraine is even located on a map. So are we required to provide military support, including ground troops, for every country in the world? Why are we obligated to support Ukraine, just because they are fighting Russia?
I have to admit, I'm a little surprised that you would commit ground troops to fight Russians in Ukraine. Aren't you one of the people who are against trump committing the US to forever wars? Don't you want the US to end the war with Iran? Sending ground troops to Ukraine would, in effect, be starting world war III.
I'm really amazed that the same folks who blast trump about "forever wars" and want the US out of Iran are proposing US involvement in a war in Ukraine. @FLaw47 is even willing to provide ground troops.
Why?
Seems to me that some of you might be in some "double speak" end one war start WWIII
This is a baffling narrow definition of the word "ally" and I don't think is a useful distinction to make. We have been providing them support in this war.
Not every country in the world, no. We're got a "pile of sand" situation here but where we draw the line is so far away that I can't see it. They were invaded by a country that is hostile to us, in violation of memorandums that Russia had agreed to. Ukraine is a friendly western democracy that borders some people that even you will be forced to admit are "allies". I do not believe in wars of conquest. I do not believe in might makes right. We've had a relatively stable world order since WWII and I'd like to keep it that way.
I said "if that's what it takes". I really doubt it'd take troops on the ground with how poorly Russia has acquitted itself in an engagement with what was thought to be a much less capable military.
Ned, I really need you to try harder. Just because I support one war effort means I support all war efforts? That's absolutely non-sensical. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but has Iran invaded any friendly nations or did we start that war?
Maybe. If you take things to one particularly uncharitable logical conclusion I can see that. The other logical conclusion is that we allow Putin to take over Europe one country at a time.
Because we gave them security assurances under the Budapest Memorandum for one and we've seen over the last century what happens when we allow an aggressor nation to go unchecked against other Democratic allies. It eventually comes to our shores so better to stop them where they are before they're bold enough to attack NATO countries where our troops would be required. And I'd argue with your characterization that they aren't allies as they contributed troops to several US and NATO led operations. It's weird that you don't understand why we need Ukraine to win. You should know better.
but you didn't answer the question why??
do you think Ukraince can win???
what gives you that opinion? Do you agree with @FLaw47 that the US should commit ground troops if that's what it takes for ukraine to win?
How much more are you prepared to give Ukraine?
Ned, I'd just like to ask; let's say that we pull out from Ukraine and they get taken over by Russia. What do you think happens next?
By my reckoning, these are NATO countries bordering Ukraine:
- Poland
- Slovokia
- Romania
- Hungary
Do you think Ukraine is the only thing that Putin always wanted and could never have?
What if Russia invaded Canada? Oh wait, they're our allies according to your definition. What if someone invaded Mexico? We can't help them, we're running a deficit.
What happened the last time an expansionist European power took over a country in Europe while their allies stood by, saying it wasn't their problem? Do you have a picture of Neville Chamberlain on your wall right below Jesus and beside Mary?
Yes I do with the right amount of support. Russia is on their back foot already and we(NATO) should be supplying Ukraine with all the weaponry and resources they need until they can bring them to heel. The pause or slowdown that Trump is enabling is the last thing they need right now when we should be assisting them in every way possible for the kill shot.
As far as troops on the ground, all I'll say is it's frustrating as hell watching innocent civilians get slaughtered every night knowing that NATO could put an end to this war in a week if they wanted to. So there is a part of me that would love to see us declare war on Russia to put an end to this humanitarian disaster, once and for all. And yes I do understand the risks.
You were right Ned. According to Musk, it's actually Trump who limited their access to Starfield.
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