More people are drug addicts from being homeless than homeless from being a drug addict
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I have absolutely no evidence to support this but...if you're homeless I'll assume you have no money to buy or rent a home. So you make what must be a life altering decision to live on the streets. But once you're on the street you have money to buy drugs...
Makes sense, but I'm rewatching "The Wire" and that's how it seems to work.
Are you actually a Baltimore guy? If so, we should get together for coffee at Red Emma's some day. I've never actually been there, but would enjoy the excuse to check it out.
born and raised in Baltimore...I left when I went into the Army, since then I've lived in a lot of places, but haven't been back other than to visit and later bury my mother and father.
Hmm. That seems to blow up the narrative I had. This actually makes me not feel as sorry for homeless people. I always assumed drugs derailed their lives. Now it just seems like poor work ethic and laziness. Of course there are still some other reasons but I figured drug use was the biggest.
Aside from someone suffering from some sort of mental health issue/drug issue, I don’t get how someone can be homeless.
Aside from someone suffering from some sort of mental health issue/drug issue, I don’t get how someone can be homeless.
I would say the majority of homeless are addicts. And that’s how they became homeless. Somehow giving them needles, narcan and other stuff is seen as humane. They’re living in total hell.
Overall, 65.3% reported lifetime regular illicit drug use (not counting marijuana);
Overall, 65.3% reported lifetime regular illicit drug use (not counting marijuana);
I always remember back in the 80s there was an arthur miller round table on homelessness, and he asked C Everett Koop what he do if he were confronted on the street by a homeless person begging for money, if he knew the person was going to buy drugs with it. Koop paused a moment, and then replied to the effect of "I'd probably give him the money, because as a practical matter, the drugs would probably do more for him than anything I could otherwise do for him at that point."
I suppose at a minimum, needles, narcan and other stuff is probably a more humane alternative to letting them die, just as the creation of protease inhibitors and their successors in the 80s and 90s.
The liberal utopia actually likes giving free drugs to these individuals. There’s a lot of money to be laundered with an endless homeless crisis. See California.
I'd only help if he was wearing a MAGA hat. Imagine being homeless and stupid, too. That guy needs the help.
Apparently you have missed the whole cost of living conversation that’s been happening. Many Americans are a single paycheck, a health care bill, or a car repair from being homeless.
I can somewhat see that as the cost of living does suck at the moment but needing to pay for a car repair doesn’t make you homeless. It’s a collection of bad decisions over and over again.
There are jobs out there and cheap places to live. You’re defending people living beyond their means.
isn't that a false equivalency (is that what im looking for)?
You give the options of them 1) dying or 2) us giving them needles etc.
There is a lot inbetween there.
I view it as we gave the free drugs, needles, and narcan away free and the results are pretty clear. I don't think it has helped the problem in anyway. Why not try it the other way? I'm fine with the Narcan, but i think we should stop with the free needles and drugs. It's just enablement at this point and in my eyes, that is more inhumane than humane.
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Terrific point. No one has ever overcome drug or alcohol addiction. May as well fuel the fire.
So we can go back to calling them deadbeats?
I travel through areas of our country all the time that have cheap houses and help neeeded signs but nobody wants to move to Valley City North Dakota.
Maybe, just maybe, they are weak.
I travel through areas of our country all the time that have cheap houses and help neeeded signs but nobody wants to move to Valley City North Dakota.
Maybe, just maybe, they are weak.
Of course it's an exaggeration.
Re Narcan, that is actually about where I am too, though I can't begin to say how grotesque and pathetic it is that as a society we train school kids in how to administer it. Honestly, the needles was more a disease transmission thing but protease inhibitors and their successors have sorta taken care of that, and we give those away for free.
You must hate reducing health care expenses. Needle exchange programs have saved millions in health care costs. It keeps diseases from spreading and reducing ER visits. Junkies are going to shoot up with anything they can find. So not doing this program isn’t going to slow down any drug use.
And here is the result. It's just a trade off. Destroy a community or lower costs.....
And in places like this, how do you think women get money for their habit?
Apparently you have never moved. That usually costs thousands of dollars and requires a minimum of a month best case scenario to find a job and get your first paycheck.
You also likely won’t be approved as a renter if you can’t show any source of income.
Plus, you are leaving your friends, families, health care resources. Kids being relocated to new schools.
But tell me again how all these people are soft. It’s not like you can just snap your fingers and relocate with a paying job.
Oh yes, because none of those people were there before a needle exchange program started.And here is the result. It's just a trade off. Destroy a community or lower costs.....
You guys are so dumb.
Again, it takes some real laziness or worthlessness to be a homeless person if you don’t have some sort of mental health issues or drug addiction. Like I posted earlier, I’m surprised more drug abuse has happened as a result of being homeless.
Also, who’s electing to be homeless over moving to someplace else where they can afford their own place? Sounds like an excuse.
Yeah, they all grew up there.... lmfao.... The Kensington area of Philadelphia WAS a neighborhood.
I did. It’s all a bunch of weak excuses. Clearly people are living outside their means if a car repair bill makes them homeless. Your other excuses are basically saying they would rather be homeless than moving.
I agreed that the cost of living is a joke and rent or home ownership is expensive. But there are sh.ithole places people can live at where rent isn’t that much. I did it for a few years in my early 20’s so I could save some extra money to buy a house.
I just think that’s a load of BS. I would be willing to bet it’s a poorly designed study.
Exactly. Most people would gladly pay more to get that off the streets. It’s not a cost issue imo.And here is the result. It's just a trade off. Destroy a community or lower costs.....
And in places like this, how do you think women get money for their habit?
It’s well documented in a bunch of studies and not really debated. You are free to do your own homework if you want to educate yourself.
Tell ya what, I’m just going to vote against it no matter what the study says.
Evidently Rasta-man believes that giving addicts needles helps them stop... Or helps communities.... LOL....
Imagine being so f'ing brain dead?
And then they die.
Im ok with a 3 strikes and your out program for narcan. Darwin has been cheated.
That’s why you believe in maga. No amount of evidence or reality can change your mind. Your opinions are based on nothing, and you refuse to accept any information.
Imagine being so brain dead that you can’t read a post. Where did I say that giving our needles makes someone stop using drugs?
and then you compound your idiocy by trying to call me stupid.
You are stupid. It should be obvious.
Why are you giving needles to drug users again?
But there is a study ….. done by a kindergartener.
Ok. My vote still counts as much as yours. But have fun with your fake studies
Weird question. Why is it that certain posters on here always want to know where people live, what they do for work, how many kids they have and their social security number.
on top of that, know where I have lived does not matter one bit in this argument. Unless you are a criminal or an illegal, I’m pretty sure everyone has the freedom to live anywhere they want.
Yeah Knox, he doesn’t want them to stop, that would be bad for the drug business. He just wants to supply them with more drugs and clean needles so they can keep using.
I don't have an answer, so let me start there. We've tried for decades to solve this problem...we've gone the "liberal" route of free needles, free drugs, narcan...and none of these have worked, assuming our objective is either to solve the drug problem or the homelessness one.
We've tried cutting off supply...heck, we're blowing drug boats out of the ocean, and yet this doesn't seem to have an impact.
We've gone through a "just say no" campaign with little or no effect.
So after all these efforts, we still are where we are....maybe it's time to try something different, although no one would ever go along with picking up the druggies, putting them all together in a camp and forcing them to dry out...but even that might just be a short term solution.
I'd hate to be a parent who raised a handsome, intelligent young boy or girl who ended up on the streets, hooked on drugs, with no way out and no future
Classic maga. Trying to discredit experts and instead believe people who have no experience, education, or expertise in a subject.
you should take the same approach with your doctor. No need to go get diagnosed by a trained physician. Talk to the guy at the end of the bar because he tells it like it is.
You guys are total cucks. Trump is firing up the inflation machine again, spending billions and killing American soldiers with his illegal war, making you pay more money due to his illegal tariffs, spiking our national debt because he’s an idiot, and taking away your right to have a vote on who leads this country. And for all that you love him. He is banging your wife and beating your children and you bow down to him.
Living in different places gives you different perspectives. If I had never lived in Clemson, I may not understand how someone can be as stupid and bigoted as MTTiger mknox or fatpiggy. But living there showed me that South Carolina has terrible public education and generational ignorance that can warp someone’s mind.
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