LSU student says she was raped by a football player who is still on the team

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It is a very odd story. Interestingly, the school never made a police report, but found the football player responsible for raping the student. She claims that she assumed her report to the school would trigger the school to report the matter to law-enforcement.
 

razpsu

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What is it with schools not sending this stuff to local police. Will they ever get the message.
 
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What is it with schools not sending this stuff to local police. Will they ever get the message.
It is unclear how they found the football player to be guilty, unless that was the determination of university police? The entire story is very strange, including reducing his punishment. Perhaps Kiffen needs him? But I agree that it’s much safer for the school to just give it to the local police to handle.
 

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It is a very odd story. Interestingly, the school never made a police report, but found the football player responsible for raping the student. She claims that she assumed her report to the school would trigger the school to report the matter to law-enforcement.
That posted news story is - obviously - paper-thin on any actually facts or "truth". So a lot there to play out.

What IS rock-solid:
EVERYONE would be better off if these University Administrative "Title IX Offices/Wanna-be Ideologue Judge and Juries" would just vaporize. They serve NO beneficial purpose. And the damage they do was ramped up on steroids post-the Obama mandate.
I won't assume all the stuff alluded to in that report as being gospel truth or not (no one should), but if this woman "thought the Title IX office would take care of things" - and she DID NOT go to actual, you know, LAW ENFORCEMENT - she was nuts. I certainly imagine she may have been in quite an emotional state, based on what was in that report - and I might further believe that, possibly, the Title IX Office folks were somewhat vague or misleading with her (IDK, time will tell if this case plays out)

But, even if not done immediately - to NOT report to law enforcement as time went by? (Not until posting a damn Tik-Tok a year later? A Tik-Tok?) WTF was she - or those close to her (parents, etc) - thinking?
Whatever. But this stuff doesn't happen if those Title IX incompetents are not involved. Right?
 
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Some of the sexual activity between Francis and the football player was consensual, according to those documents as reported by The Advocate. Still, the football player admitted that he didn’t specifically ask for Francis’ consent before they had intercourse “and did not stop when he later asked and she was silent,” according to the Title IX documents.

Stinks like the Cornell allegations. I hate LSU football and all, but guessing the player wasn't suspended because he didn't do anything wrong.
 

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Some of the sexual activity between Francis and the football player was consensual, according to those documents as reported by The Advocate. Still, the football player admitted that he didn’t specifically ask for Francis’ consent before they had intercourse “and did not stop when he later asked and she was silent,” according to the Title IX documents.

Stinks like the Cornell allegations. I hate LSU football and all, but guessing the player wasn't suspended because he didn't do anything wrong.
That conclusion isn’t valid. Don’t know the facts yet. I have 3 girls. I’m not giving the guy the benefit just because he plays football. They took away any suspension from school. Bottom line people still think the school is the police. Don’t get that.
 

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That posted news story is - obviously - paper-thin on any actually facts or "truth". So a lot there to play out.

What IS rock-solid:
EVERYONE would be better off if these University Administrative "Title IX Offices/Wanna-be Ideologue Judge and Juries" would just vaporize. They serve NO beneficial purpose. And the damage they do was ramped up on steroids post-the Obama mandate.
I won't assume all the stuff alluded to in that report as being gospel truth or not (no one should), but if this woman "thought the Title IX office would take care of things" - and she DID NOT go to actual, you know, LAW ENFORCEMENT - she was nuts. I certainly imagine she may have been in quite an emotional state, based on what was in that report - and I might further believe that, possibly, the Title IX Office folks were somewhat vague or misleading with her (IDK, time will tell if this case plays out)

But, even if not done immediately - to NOT report to law enforcement as time went by? (Not until posting a damn Tik-Tok a year later? A Tik-Tok?) WTF was she - or those close to her (parents, etc) - thinking?
Whatever. But this stuff doesn't happen if those Title IX incompetents are not involved. Right?
You bring up great points. I want to know the Title IX office’s responsibility to contact external law enforcement after they have concluded the football player was guilty. I would think they have a responsibility to report to the county DA, but who knows. I don’t really know the mechanizations behind all of this. I just found the story to be rather interesting, particularly the fact they reduced his punishment without law enforcement involvement.
 

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It is a very odd story. Interestingly, the school never made a police report, but found the football player responsible for raping the student. She claims that she assumed her report to the school would trigger the school to report the matter to law-enforcement.
I hope they are handling this correctly now and the head football coach is conducting an investigation on behalf of the university. :rolleyes:
 
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You bring up great points. I want to know the Title IX office’s responsibility to contact external law enforcement after they have concluded the football player was guilty. I would think they have a responsibility to report to the county DA, but who knows. I don’t really know the mechanizations behind all of this. I just found the story to be rather interesting, particularly the fact they reduced his punishment without law enforcement involvement.
The story - as is often the case - really doesn't answer questions or provide facts. So any specific "conclusions" regarding this case, that we would try to make, would be premature and misguided.

For example:
I would doubt very much that the Title IX office "found the accused to be guilty" of rape. They really can't do that anyway. They are not "law enforcement" or the "judiciary"

Not knowing the specific facts in this case, what I would be completely confident in saying:
Generally Title IX offices often GROSSLY overstep their competency. Which, in most cases, is easy to do. They rarely have any competency in these matters - nor any accountability, which is also a tragedy.
They are generally administrative apparatchiks - often times imparting their ideological biases - but certainly are not competent wrt investigations/criminal matters/legal procedures etc)
They do, regularly, enforce specific "University Codes and Policies" - which is a very different thing from criminal investigations or conclusions, of course, and can do a lot of damage, but very little good.
 

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I won't assume all the stuff alluded to in that report as being gospel truth or not (no one should), but if this woman "thought the Title IX office would take care of things" - and she DID NOT go to actual, you know, LAW ENFORCEMENT - she was nuts.

Sounds very familiar and close to home.
 
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Sounds very familiar and close to home.
Absolutely. That’s why in all of these situations the school itself should just give the accusation over to the county DA or whatever the law enforcement body is external to the school. It protects the organization. I think this situation is much more egregious than whatever may or may not have occurred with Sandusky. LSU came to a firm conclusion that rape occurred, gave out a punishment, reduced the punishment, and never reported it to real law enforcement.
 

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LSU came to a firm conclusion that rape occurred, gave out a punishment, reduced the punishment, and never reported it to real law enforcement.
I would HIGHLY doubt that is true (like 99.9% sure it is not - and even if they thought they did, it would be meaningless wrt criminal legal issues).
I can understand why someone reading that news story would jump to those conclusions (that was probably the goal of the journalist from the go)


That said - anyone who had a report come to them that is anywhere close to what is represented in that story? (and no one just from reading that story knows that)
Then, yes, common sense says they should - before ANYTHING else - report it to law enforcement, or at least suggest that to the alleged victim. But that is not how these offices work.
 

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A few more interesting nuggets….
“ After Shanklin appealed, an administrative law judge who handles appeals per LSU policy upheld the finding that the athlete was responsible for "forcible rape," but reduced the punishment to four semesters of probation with no restrictions, which allows Shanklin to remain enrolled and on campus and to participate in activities as long as he stays out of trouble.”
“Shanklin provided text messages showing that after he asked Francis not to report the incident to police, "she responded by asking how much money would she get if she took that offer," the police report states. Shanklin sent her $1,000 via a cash app, according to the Title IX documents.”
 
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