Seriously, folks, how can trump exit this war and save some face for USA? What .....

baltimorened said:

well, in my defense, I really don't know what they were thinking...did they make this move just because they thought they could take out irn's leadership and that the country would then end up leaderless and in turmoil? did they think that this would be just like Venezuela, in our, and done? did anybody ask about inventory levels or how to actually remove nuclear materials without boots on the ground?

I don't know....it will come out in a book at some point (of course there will be a second book highlighting how the first book was BS)

But I agree with you that this is turned into a cluster, that our leaders are trying to find a way out, and that this hasn't happened the way they envisioned..and I can tell that from how strategies have changed..kinetic, to negotiation, to blockade to economic....they're searching and haven't come up with the exit strategy yet.

I did read a story yesterday, Washington post I believe, where it reported that Trump knows republicans are going to be decimated in November and he also knows that it's his policies that have caused this expected outcome. Think he'll admit it publicly??/

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baltimorened said:

well, in my defense, I really don't know what they were thinking...did they make this move just because they thought they could take out irn's leadership and that the country would then end up leaderless and in turmoil? did they think that this would be just like Venezuela, in our, and done? did anybody ask about inventory levels or how to actually remove nuclear materials without boots on the ground?

I don't know....it will come out in a book at some point (of course there will be a second book highlighting how the first book was BS)

But I agree with you that this is turned into a cluster, that our leaders are trying to find a way out, and that this hasn't happened the way they envisioned..and I can tell that from how strategies have changed..kinetic, to negotiation, to blockade to economic....they're searching and haven't come up with the exit strategy yet.

I did read a story yesterday, Washington post I believe, where it reported that Trump knows republicans are going to be decimated in November and he also knows that it's his policies that have caused this expected outcome. Think he'll admit it publicly??/

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baltimorened said:

well, in my defense, I really don't know what they were thinking...did they make this move just because they thought they could take out irn's leadership and that the country would then end up leaderless and in turmoil? did they think that this would be just like Venezuela, in our, and done? did anybody ask about inventory levels or how to actually remove nuclear materials without boots on the ground?

I don't know....it will come out in a book at some point (of course there will be a second book highlighting how the first book was BS)

But I agree with you that this is turned into a cluster, that our leaders are trying to find a way out, and that this hasn't happened the way they envisioned..and I can tell that from how strategies have changed..kinetic, to negotiation, to blockade to economic....they're searching and haven't come up with the exit strategy yet.

I did read a story yesterday, Washington post I believe, where it reported that Trump knows republicans are going to be decimated in November and he also knows that it's his policies that have caused this expected outcome. Think he'll admit it publicly??/

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Riveting said:

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/you-probably-have-the-iran-war-backward-61be55ea?st=SeGckf&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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tigres88 said:

Again, you keep talking about virtue signaling. I've done no such thing. Every single thing I talk about on this forum I back up in my everyday life.

Seems like you keep bringing it up because you're triggered.

Just answer the question- are you embarrassed by the movement you defend? This really isn't a gotcha I'm genuinely trying to understand and have been asking you for 24 hours. That's how conversation works, even on a forum.

Why are you being so evasive? It's super weird dude

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DailyBuck7 said:

I am not embarrassed by the movement because it is a counterweight with many faults to lunatic immoral people. On the other hand, I am embarrassed by any number of things that Trump has done, including naming lake Ontario lake America and naming the department of defense the department of War. Also, whatever is going on with the Kennedy center. Also, arguing in 2020 that he had to have won in Georgia because his crowds were bigger in Georgia than were Biden's.

Wish there was an alternative but there isn't.

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PAWrocka said:

Absolutely underestimated Iran’s capabilities in the Strait. Also underestimated the IRGC’s “resolve”. Fairly certain that they thought we’d smack them hard and they would lay down, descend into anarchy which has somewhat happened BUT, looks like cells of the IRGC are working independently but with a common goal. When you have a global choke point that is only 30 miles across and can be canvassed with shoulder fire missiles, small bass boats, and crude sea mines …. you don’t need a large modern military. It’s like the Joker from The Dark Knight …. “Look what I’ve done to this city with a couple cans of gasoline and a match”

only two or threes ways I see out of this
1) Ground troops to hold the coastal areas around the Strait. American people will never go for this
2) intense bombing of those same coastal areas. (inefficient and incredibly expensive)
3) maintain blockade, bolster pipelines across Saudi Arabia. This would entail maintaining a greater presence in the Middle East to baby sit the pipelines, maintain blockade, and whack a mole the Houthis and Somali Pirates. Incredibly expensive and further stokes the extremists call of Jihad.
Bonus #4). Glass Iran, thus kicking off a global thermal nuclear war, and killing the entirety of humanity. Write about it on stone tablets so our ancestors can hopefully learn from our civilizations mistakes in 20,000 years. This would not be ideal ….

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Riveting said:

Yah. More comedy.

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PAWrocka said:

Absolutely underestimated Iran’s capabilities in the Strait. Also underestimated the IRGC’s “resolve”. Fairly certain that they thought we’d smack them hard and they would lay down, descend into anarchy which has somewhat happened BUT, looks like cells of the IRGC are working independently but with a common goal. When you have a global choke point that is only 30 miles across and can be canvassed with shoulder fire missiles, small bass boats, and crude sea mines …. you don’t need a large modern military. It’s like the Joker from The Dark Knight …. “Look what I’ve done to this city with a couple cans of gasoline and a match”

only two or threes ways I see out of this
1) Ground troops to hold the coastal areas around the Strait. American people will never go for this
2) intense bombing of those same coastal areas. (inefficient and incredibly expensive)
3) maintain blockade, bolster pipelines across Saudi Arabia. This would entail maintaining a greater presence in the Middle East to baby sit the pipelines, maintain blockade, and whack a mole the Houthis and Somali Pirates. Incredibly expensive and further stokes the extremists call of Jihad.
Bonus #4). Glass Iran, thus kicking off a global thermal nuclear war, and killing the entirety of humanity. Write about it on stone tablets so our ancestors can hopefully learn from our civilizations mistakes in 20,000 years. This would not be ideal ….

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PAWrocka said:

Absolutely underestimated Iran’s capabilities in the Strait. Also underestimated the IRGC’s “resolve”. Fairly certain that they thought we’d smack them hard and they would lay down, descend into anarchy which has somewhat happened BUT, looks like cells of the IRGC are working independently but with a common goal. When you have a global choke point that is only 30 miles across and can be canvassed with shoulder fire missiles, small bass boats, and crude sea mines …. you don’t need a large modern military. It’s like the Joker from The Dark Knight …. “Look what I’ve done to this city with a couple cans of gasoline and a match”

only two or threes ways I see out of this
1) Ground troops to hold the coastal areas around the Strait. American people will never go for this
2) intense bombing of those same coastal areas. (inefficient and incredibly expensive)
3) maintain blockade, bolster pipelines across Saudi Arabia. This would entail maintaining a greater presence in the Middle East to baby sit the pipelines, maintain blockade, and whack a mole the Houthis and Somali Pirates. Incredibly expensive and further stokes the extremists call of Jihad.
Bonus #4). Glass Iran, thus kicking off a global thermal nuclear war, and killing the entirety of humanity. Write about it on stone tablets so our ancestors can hopefully learn from our civilizations mistakes in 20,000 years. This would not be ideal ….

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firegiver said:

Whats comedic is whether Im right or wrong about anything, the facts are that this war is a total failure and was always understood to be a nonstarter by our military and intelligence services. The geopolitical and economic consequences are going to be severe for US. Trump is a moron and a crook. Israel is committing genocide and we all are paying for it.

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Riveting said:

Yah, but don't forget about the impact of Iran suddenly leaving the petrodollar, as you explained in your hysteria.

You still have not apologized for your racist insult- not that I expect anything that mature from you.

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