I award him no points....and may God have mercy on his soul
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Appreciate you reading it though.
Didn’t say he had a bad day and we want another. Just think Bagent is a good QB and think he will perform really well given an opportunity (which he now has).
Across his body or across the field, whatever semantics you want to use, it was a bad over throw. For reference though, from the numbers to the sideline, which is what the INT throw was, is 12 yards, from hash to hash is 6.5 yards so it was both across his body and across the field.
I thought for sure he was going to flip it to Loveland which would have been the smart play. As you said there were no blockers so instead of getting it to the TE trying to make him turn and block so Caleb could run was the better call?
In all sincerity, where did you get the 12 number? I was looking at next gen stats for the average throw earlier since Colin doesn't know what a check down is, but they weren't posted yet.
I seriously can’t with some of what I’m reading, laughable.
Vet RB can’t fumble on GL.
WR/TEs catching the ball would be helpful.
Bradbury sucks.
Rookie TE was terrible.
Love Ben but he kinda got pantsed today and it happens.
Bears are considerably a worse team with Caleb hurt.
Bagent just needs to hold fort together if Caleb isn’t out for year, which sounds like he dodged that….hopefully.
The weather was more of factor than I think we realized, yes both teams battled it and it showed.
Gonna need to lean heavily on run game.
Rookies in secondary showed again.
The penalties have to stop. Gave benefit of doubt in week 1 but just some drive killers.
TJ played well.
A fumble and a pulled hammy or else they win with no drama, that stings but that’s life.
Vet RB can’t fumble on GL.
WR/TEs catching the ball would be helpful.
Bradbury sucks.
Rookie TE was terrible.
Love Ben but he kinda got pantsed today and it happens.
Bears are considerably a worse team with Caleb hurt.
Bagent just needs to hold fort together if Caleb isn’t out for year, which sounds like he dodged that….hopefully.
The weather was more of factor than I think we realized, yes both teams battled it and it showed.
Gonna need to lean heavily on run game.
Rookies in secondary showed again.
The penalties have to stop. Gave benefit of doubt in week 1 but just some drive killers.
TJ played well.
A fumble and a pulled hammy or else they win with no drama, that stings but that’s life.
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Caleb Williams will be the starter when healthy whether that is in 4 weeks, 8 weeks or week 1 next year.
Not all 5yd completions are the same.
Ex - Hitch vs a check down to the RB aren’t the same.
So you wouldn’t extend Caleb after this season and likely would draft a QB from this class.
You are aware that a checkdown can be to a receiver or TE as well? You are just telling us all you didn't really watch the game or just don't understand football.
Yeah I honestly don’t think you understand football. Have to agree with @LakeCtyNewt. But I will be charitable and hash it up to you drinking too many beers and we all do that sometimes.
Is Soldier Field still grass?
Was that the reason for Caleb's injury?
What is the update on Caleb?
Was that the reason for Caleb's injury?
What is the update on Caleb?
Omg dude - we’re not even talking about the same thing. I gave you an example of why not all 5yd completions are the same to defend my point. Obviously checks can be thrown to positions other than RB’s.
To reiterate, just bc Caleb had a 5.3ypc doesn’t mean he threw check downs all day. It also doesn’t mean he didn’t play hero ball.
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I agree with everything here in your recap of today’s game.
However, I know I’m on my own here, but I’m very curious/excited to see how this offense looks with Bagent.
It’s only week 2 so have no idea where the team will be come March but…
Bears control him through 2028 so no.
No I would not draft a QB.
Yes, but he was constantly taking checkdowns. If you couldn't see that, then you are on your own there as well. As I mention to 4a, I'm trying to at least find you a chart to put it into simple terms for you. Just to add on, Greg Olsen kept referencing how Caleb was checking down as well. Seems like a pretty reputable source as he is one of the 2 or 3 color guys that really see the game.
Your take on Caleb playing hero ball today is just a bad one. If you don't like how he played, that's totally fine. However, making up stuff to "support" your dislike of him is pure tomfoolery.
Edit: By the way, I don't dislike Bagent as a backup. He is a very capable backup. However, that's what he is, and that's ok. Backup QB is a great job.
Correct, but the question will be, how will he perform and will he help or hurt the team? Even if it is a mild hamstring injury and he's likely out 3-4 weeks, hamstring injuries tend to linger especially for someone as mobile as Caleb. Will he be able to adapt his game to be more of a pocket passer?
I think Bagent is very overrated by Bears fans.
Caleb always plays hero ball. Sometimes he gets away with it since his talent is so high. But today he didn’t as evidence in his pick and the play he got hurt on.
That’s the hard part with athletes of his caliber. You want him to do what hes coached to do, but you also don’t wanna take away with what makes him special.
And he was really good at it last year, he didn’t put the ball in harms way very often. He made a very poor decision on that throw.
We'll know more tomorrow, but it potentially raises the question about long term plans for the Bears.
Regardless of the severity of the injury the Bears should extend Williams, but if this is going to be a long term issue then maybe the Bears just pick up his 5th year option this year and talk long term deal after next season.
That could break a couple ways, it could cost Caleb millions versus what he could have got if he didn't get hurt or he could come back and continue to improve and he warrants a record deal.
Regardless of the severity of the injury the Bears should extend Williams, but if this is going to be a long term issue then maybe the Bears just pick up his 5th year option this year and talk long term deal after next season.
That could break a couple ways, it could cost Caleb millions versus what he could have got if he didn't get hurt or he could come back and continue to improve and he warrants a record deal.
If Caleb is out an extended period, I'm also curious to see how Ben Johnson adjusts/performs. It's always easy to second guess. But, BJ has done a number of things in the first two games that were head shakers, IMO. In Week 1, going for it on 4th and one from the Bears' 21 yard line. Calling a pass on the goal line. Getting it intercepted (but having the interception nullified by a penalty), then throwing another pass (albeit successful) to Jahade Walker for the TD. Can we just line up and run the ball? And, it's easy to forget about calls like those when you win.
Today, Caleb gets hurt. Bagent comes in, after sitting all day, on second and goal from the 4. Can we call a running play? IMO, he put the back up QB in a very difficult spot by calling non-runs in a driving rain. I love BJ. But, with Bagent, he's going to be forced to call a more conservative game. I'm interested to see if he can resist his mad scientist urges and do so.
I don't think Johnson will need to change the play calling at all. Bagent has been in Johnson's system for two years and knows the playbook. Johnson's system doesn't require a mobile QB like Caleb, in Detroit Goff was his QB and he's as much of a statue in the pocket as there is.
Bagent doesn’t have the arm strength of Caleb. That will need to be taken into account.
It's not like they have been firing the ball down field regularly.
I think what we'll see with Bagent is a quicker release and him being more decisive and hitting those timing routes. Watching the afternoon games it was a lot of QBs dropping back hitting their back foot and stepping into the throw quickly. Williams tends to hop around and look for the perfect throw and then scrambling when the play breaks down while looking for someone to get open. He can mask a lot of that with his athleticism, but that has always been my knock him, his inability to find the first read and get the ball out.
I'm not talking about just today. Plus, the Vikings are the only team that blitzes 75% of the time.
For instance, deep outs and deep ins that need to be thrown with the velocity that Caleb and a few other QBs can make. Bagent can’t make those throws.
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