Another loss with Schiano's signature all over it

Jtung230 said:

Your son would have been correct if it was in a different part of the field. If the PI call didn’t happen, they would be out of FG range. If you decline it and no PI, it was 3 pts.

Click to expand...

If, if, if. You don't make a call knowing what IS going to happen plays in the future. It was a coaches decision. So be it.

He just happened to think it was going to bite them at the time. I wasnt so sure. Why we enjoy still going to these crap games together after 25 years.

DHajekRC1984 said:

If, if, if. You don't make a call knowing what IS going to happen plays in the future. It was a coaches decision. So be it.

He just happened to think it was going to bite them at the time. I wasnt so sure. Why we enjoy still going to these crap games together after 25 years.

Click to expand...

You missed the whole point. The were on the cusp of FG range and that’s why he accepted the penalty. I agree with you if they were anywhere else on the field.

DC8690 said:

I was talking about LSU going for 4th and 4 on there own 31, granted it was later in the game but we were 4 and a foot - not even a yard - it was the right call but a horrible play which Ole Miss barely executed. We had a foot just line up under center and push.

Click to expand...

That was with under 5:00 to play, down by 7. It was reasonable for them to believe it was their last possession of the game. RU had more than twice the time remaining when they went for it. It was a different scenario.

M.Sherrane said:

DC8690 said:

He had to go for it, Ole Miss ran the same exact play and got it, LSU went for it in a similar situation and succeeded. We did not execute, but going for it was the right call.

Click to expand...

That was with under 5:00 to play, down by 7. It was reasonable for them to believe it was their last possession of the game. RU had more than twice the time remaining when they went for it. It was a different scenario.

Click to expand...

There is another point that needs to be considered in the different scenarios. Ole Miss' previous 2 drives were 7 plays eating 2:30 and 13 plays eating over 5:00 of clock. Ole Miss was moving the ball fairly well and could drain the clock after an LSU punt. On the other hand, I think a lot of people missed the fact the RU defense played very well against one of the best offenses in the game. USC scored 42, so we sucked right? Well, 21 of their points were created with only 48 yards of offense.

USC Offensive Drive Chart:
FG 12 plays, 58 yards, 5:30
TD 2 plays, 24 yards 0:35
TD 6 plays, 75 yards, 3:05
Punt 6 plays, 19 yards, 3:13
FG 9 plays, 61 yards, 1:15
TD 7 plays, 75 yards, 3:01
Downs 10 plays, 60 yards, 2:41
TD 5 plays, 24 yards, 3:04
END OF GAME 10 plays, 44 yards, 4:24

Yes, there were only 2 possessions (not counting them running out the clock) where they didn't score. If RU made the 1st down and scored the TD to tie, they would have to kickoff in a tie game with about 5:00 remaining. That still means that winning would either require a defensive stop or recovering an onside kick. A defensive stop would be a requirement to win the game.

Anon503350 said:

This game shows that USC shouldn’t be ranked and Schiano is horrible decision maker. Next week I expect Oregon to blow USC out. Howard will keep things close.

Click to expand...

Except: How good is Oregon? This game, while not quite a pillow fight, has lost of lot of the luster it had a month ago.

SHUSource said:

Except: How good is Oregon? This game, while not quite a pillow fight, has lost of lot of the luster it had a month ago.

Click to expand...

Not to SC or Oregon fans. For east coasters that don't know, these schools hate each other. Records are irrelevant in this game. Oregon fans are low grade. They remind me of Sarahcuse fans. But a lot more than 100 of them.

Caliknight said:

Not to SC or Oregon fans. For east coasters that don't know, these schools hate each other. Records are irrelevant in this game. Oregon fans are low grade. They remind me of Sarahcuse fans. But a lot more than 100 of them.

Click to expand...

No, I get the rivalry part of it. It'll be electric at the game, I have no doubt. But this looked like a bigger game, nationally, a few weeks ago.

SHUSource said:

No, I get the rivalry part of it. It'll be electric at the game, I have no doubt. But this looked like a bigger game, nationally, a few weeks ago.

Click to expand...

True. Oregon didn't hold up their end of the bargain.

M.Sherrane said:

There is another point that needs to be considered in the different scenarios. Ole Miss' previous 2 drives were 7 plays eating 2:30 and 13 plays eating over 5:00 of clock. Ole Miss was moving the ball fairly well and could drain the clock after an LSU punt. On the other hand, I think a lot of people missed the fact the RU defense played very well against one of the best offenses in the game. USC scored 42, so we sucked right? Well, 21 of their points were created with only 48 yards of offense.

USC Offensive Drive Chart:
FG 12 plays, 58 yards, 5:30
TD 2 plays, 24 yards 0:35
TD 6 plays, 75 yards, 3:05
Punt 6 plays, 19 yards, 3:13
FG 9 plays, 61 yards, 1:15
TD 7 plays, 75 yards, 3:01
Downs 10 plays, 60 yards, 2:41
TD 5 plays, 24 yards, 3:04
END OF GAME 10 plays, 44 yards, 4:24

Yes, there were only 2 possessions (not counting them running out the clock) where they didn't score. If RU made the 1st down and scored the TD to tie, they would have to kickoff in a tie game with about 5:00 remaining. That still means that winning would either require a defensive stop or recovering an onside kick. A defensive stop would be a requirement to win the game.

Click to expand...

Never going to happen with the Schiano Swiss Cheese Defense.. 3 years and the holes are getting bigger.

Pils86 said:

I agreed with going for it on 4th and 1 foot, but agree with Sharrane that you need to spread the field, can't have all the bodies bunched up in the middle and try and run up the middle, sometimes you run into your own player's back it is so congested.

Click to expand...

we have proven with tush push that our oline isn't going to overpower opponents dline therefore spreading it out makes more sense and let Raymond find a hole

M.Sherrane said:

There is another point that needs to be considered in the different scenarios. Ole Miss' previous 2 drives were 7 plays eating 2:30 and 13 plays eating over 5:00 of clock. Ole Miss was moving the ball fairly well and could drain the clock after an LSU punt. On the other hand, I think a lot of people missed the fact the RU defense played very well against one of the best offenses in the game. USC scored 42, so we sucked right? Well, 21 of their points were created with only 48 yards of offense.

USC Offensive Drive Chart:
FG 12 plays, 58 yards, 5:30
TD 2 plays, 24 yards 0:35
TD 6 plays, 75 yards, 3:05
Punt 6 plays, 19 yards, 3:13
FG 9 plays, 61 yards, 1:15
TD 7 plays, 75 yards, 3:01
Downs 10 plays, 60 yards, 2:41
TD 5 plays, 24 yards, 3:04
END OF GAME 10 plays, 44 yards, 4:24

Yes, there were only 2 possessions (not counting them running out the clock) where they didn't score. If RU made the 1st down and scored the TD to tie, they would have to kickoff in a tie game with about 5:00 remaining. That still means that winning would either require a defensive stop or recovering an onside kick. A defensive stop would be a requirement to win the game.

Click to expand...

i actually think that makes the point more that he had to go for it.

DC8690 said:

i actually think that makes the point more that he had to go for it.

Click to expand...

No, it does not and I will never agree with you. The defense gave up 2 TDs and 2 FGs against the #19 offense in the country. The offense gave up 2 TDs at that point (Pick 6 and an Int at the RU 24 yard line). There was simply too much time remaining to go for it. RU's defense recorded as many stops as they did TD drives. As bad as the defense has played the past two years, this was one of their better efforts. It appears Schiano has at least as much trust in his 4th down offense than he has in the rest of the team.

DC8690 said:

i actually think that makes the point more that he had to go for it.

Click to expand...

One more point and then you can have at it. Against Boston College and USC, Rutgers is 5 for 9 on 4th down. Here is the detailed summary:

Boston College (2 for 5):
Drive 1 score 0-0: 4th and 1 on the RU 34. Run Failed, Downs. Boston College scores a TD on subsequent drive.
Drive 5 score BC 17-0: 4th and 4 on the BC 27. Pass Succeeded. RU would go on to score a TD to cut the lead to 17-7.
Drive 8 score BC 20-14. 4th and 1 on the BC 9. Run Failed. Downs. Boston College punts on subsequent drive.
Drive 9 score BC 20-14. 4th and 3 on BC 21. Pass Failed, Intercepted. Boston College scores a TD on subsequent drive.
Drive 11 score BC 28-21. 4th and 3 on the RU 45. Pass complete for 8. Eventually throw an Int. Boston College drains clock on subsequent drive.

0-2 when running on 4th down and 2-3 when passing. Boston College 14-7 advantage when RU goes on 4th down.

USC (3-4):
Drive 4 score USC 17-7. 4th and 21 on RU 16. Fake punt pass for 40 yards. RU would go on to score a TD.
Drive 9 score USC 35-28. 4th and 1 on RU 24. Run failed. USC would score a TD on subsequent drive
Drive 10 score USC 42-28. 4th and 3 on RU 43. Pass succeeded. 1st of 2 4th down attempts on the drive.
Drive 10 score USC 42-28. 4th and 10 on USC 28. Pass succeeded for TD

0-1 when running on 4th down. 3-3 when passing. RU 14-7 advantage when going on 4th down.

Two P4 opponent totals: 0-3 when running on 4th down. 5-6 when passing on 4th down. RU 21, Opponents 21.

I disagreed with going on the 24 and mentioned the play call was the worse part. 0 for 3 when running. As bad as the passing game has been, the running game has been much worse because it has failed in crucial situations. When the opponent knows RU is running, they stuff the run.