MAC has filed an appeal with the NCAA and CFP on behalf of WMU that WMU should be declared winner as b1g failed to follow established NCAA Replay Prot

Marshall2323

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I think you guys are reading too much into this, as well as confusing things a bit.

It is acknowledged that the instant replay protocols were not properly followed. This is magnified by the improper procedure taking place at the very end of the game, and the outcome of the game would have been different if the correct protocol was followed.

But the incorrect following of protocols is really not any different than a ref missing a penalty that should have been called, on a play that resulted in a score. Or a ref incorrectly ruling a ball was a catch when it had hit the turf, or vice-versa, on the last drive of a game (especially on 4th down).

I'm not involved in college football officiating or league administration, or the same things at the high school level. However, I am involved in those things for a few other sports. And in each of these sports, there are either competition rules, or league rules, or state rules, etc. that specify that the decisions of the officials on the field are final. I know of situations where a rule was improperly applied at the end of the game that decided which team advanced to the state playoffs, and an appeal was made, and the governing body in so many words said we're sorry about what happened to you, and a mistake was made, but the decision made on the field by the official(s) is final, and can't be overturned, or re-played.

I'm certainly not a fan of Michigan. And for once, I would like to see them treated properly by officials, or the B1G, or be properly punished for illegal actions. But I fully expected that nothing would come of the appeal filed by the MAC, as I was pretty certain there was no mechanism to change the outcome after the game was played to completion.
Many sports have the same rule. Once the officials leave the court/field the outcome is not subject to appeal. I recently had a high school basketball game that ended regulation in a tie. The visiting team had called a timeout to ask the officials to determine why a basket was not counted. The home score is official and did not show the disputed goal in their book. The game ended in a tie and the visiting team lost. Subsequent revue of video proved that the visiting team won in regulation. Nothing could be done.
 

Marshall2323

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I think the lying. cheating. weasels (officials) who knew when they made the call that Michigan would make the high percentage play and win should be given credit for their foresight.
 

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Many sports have the same rule. Once the officials leave the court/field the outcome is not subject to appeal. I recently had a high school basketball game that ended regulation in a tie. The visiting team had called a timeout to ask the officials to determine why a basket was not counted. The home score is official and did not show the disputed goal in their book. The game ended in a tie and the visiting team lost. Subsequent revue of video proved that the visiting team won in regulation. Nothing could be done.
Thanks for the explanation Tom. While I do not like it one bit I can understand it better now. If you play UM in any sport you better have an insurmountable lead as the final seconds tick off or you will jeopardize your victory.
 
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This was a very unique situation. It was the last play of the game. The other last play of the game should never have happened if the proper procedures had been followed. This isn’t a situation like when Nebraska (is that the right team? Oklahoma?) had twelve players on the field and scored the winning TD. You could think they wouldn’t have scored that TD if they only had 11, but you don’t know it and can’t prove it. In this case the game was over, rightfully. Then because they ignored (forgot?) their own procedure, they allowed an illegitimate play to be run. I don’t think there has to be an explicit rule written somewhere that states plays that are run after a game is over don’t count and the result of that game is what the score was when the game clock was officially at zeroes according to their own rulebook. I would add that the NCAA has changed results after games have been completed. Teams have had wins vacated.
The bigger problem is that I think it’s probably unanimously believed that if the positions were reversed, Western Michigan doesn’t get another play there.
 

Marshall2323

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Thanks for the explanation Tom. While I do not like it one bit I can understand it better now. If you play UM in any sport you better have an insurmountable lead as the final seconds tick off or you will jeopardize your victory.
Can't disagree. I do have to wonder how many of the officials involved actually made the decision because they thought Michigan would complete the hail mary.
 

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Many seem to have placed blame on the on-field officials, however I see nothing that they did wrong (or could have done differently). This was a screw-up by the replay official (and/or whoever he was working with to feed him the videos). I don't buy into this being a grand conspiracy, the Big Ten pushing them to come to an incorrect outcome, the ref intentionally making an error, etc...it was a human(s) screwing up (and unfortunately for the replay official, a very unlikely event happened to completely compound the screw-up). But this screw-up is inexcusable in that it wasn't missing a bang-bang call...a technical error like this can't happen. And as such, I'd guess that the official(s) were reprimanded accordingly.

Lots of people also seem to blame gambling for anything that happens these days...if gambling was involved here, it would have been the worst fix in sports history. It's like the NFL call this week in the Detroit/New Orleans game that was correctly ruled an incomplete pass...many don't understand that rule, so immediately think it's a conspiracy, that gambling had to be involved, that Mike Pereira is an idiot or the NFL made up rules on the fly, etc.
 

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Imagine the value of playing an unbeaten Michigan later this season...it only kicks in if Penn State can enter Michigan stadium with one loss instead of two ..but if it can go in with only one loss ..a win all but locks up a shot at the CFP, and a loss is a GOOD loss

Like I said, this could be the doppelganger of 1994 and the Colorado hail Mary that we thought would never come.

Gotta handle business though
 

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Many seem to have placed blame on the on-field officials, however I see nothing that they did wrong (or could have done differently). This was a screw-up by the replay official (and/or whoever he was working with to feed him the videos). I don't buy into this being a grand conspiracy, the Big Ten pushing them to come to an incorrect outcome, the ref intentionally making an error, etc...it was a human(s) screwing up (and unfortunately for the replay official, a very unlikely event happened to completely compound the screw-up). But this screw-up is inexcusable in that it wasn't missing a bang-bang call...a technical error like this can't happen. And as such, I'd guess that the official(s) were reprimanded accordingly.

Lots of people also seem to blame gambling for anything that happens these days...if gambling was involved here, it would have been the worst fix in sports history. It's like the NFL call this week in the Detroit/New Orleans game that was correctly ruled an incomplete pass...many don't understand that rule, so immediately think it's a conspiracy, that gambling had to be involved, that Mike Pereira is an idiot or the NFL made up rules on the fly, etc.

So you're saying the Officials would have done the exact same thing had it been WMU running the last play rather than scUM? You funny! This post is more good evidence of just how far up the bushleague b1g's butt you've jammed your head. You lame b1g shills are amusing if nothing else.
 
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Erial_Lion

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So you're saying the Officials would have done the exact same thing had it been WMU running the last play rather than scUM? You funny! This post is more good evidence of just how far up the bushleague b1g's butt you've jammed your head. You lame b1g shills are amusing if nothing else.
I believe so, but we'll never know. But if this was a fix as you seem to want to claim, this was the most poorly executed fix I've ever seen.

I guess I'll have to take your word for it, since you always give such an objective/neutral take.
 
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