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We were in Amherst MA for several days in April and drove through the Hampshire College campus on the way to the Carle Museum. Hampshire, founded in 1965, closed in May. They were a small (very) liberal arts college with a solid reputation, but have had fiscal challenges for years. When we were planning the trip, I reached out to an acquaintance who is an attorney in San Fran. He was on the Hampshire Board of Trustees for a decade and told we about some of the issues. Sad.

I had friends there and was occasionally on the rural campus near the beautiful small town, when we were at Rutgers. My best memory was the coed naked saunas in the "donut" dorms.
 
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thegock said:
We were in Amherst MA for several days in April and drove through the Hampshire College campus on the way to the Carle Museum. Hampshire, founded in 1965, closed in May. They were a small (very) liberal arts college with a solid reputation, but have had fiscal challenges for years. When we were planning the trip, I reached out to an acquaintance who is an attorney in San Fran. He was on the Hampshire Board of Trustees for a decade and told we about some of the issues. Sad.

I had friends there and was occasionally on the rural campus near the beautiful small town, when we were at Rutgers. My best memory was the coed naked saunas in the "donut" dorms.
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But for Ken Burns they wouldn't have made it to this May.
 
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Why would anyone consider an average at best college with a price tag of $90k? In that location, with that weather, etc.
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I don't consider the college worth 90k but they do have some departments that have stature. Their Newhouse School of Public Communications is pretty well regarded (just in sports there are grads like Bob Costas, Marv Albert, Len Berman, Ian Eagle, Sean McDonough, Greg Papa and more). I knew a girl at Columbia journalism school who had a prof get her a job at ABC news working for Jennings, and I think that happens a lot in a field like that (its tribal across lines). Emerson Collège in Boston is same type of college with a ton of entertainment grads that are tribal in career area. For 85K I think Emerson is better. I knew a major network president from there and he was always hooking people up with careers. I've long thought shopping a college by department can make more sense than overall rep.

SU is also popular in PA, Ohio and such since their location puts them close to middle states. SU still carries a lot of rep upstate but the decline of Rochester and Buffalo hurt a lot .Buffalo had a half million people in the 60s when Kodak and Xerox were hot but now its got 280k. From what I've gathered over recent years, NE colleges are the most overpriced and students like schools in south and southwest. Outside the NE there is also no stigma over public colleges and universities. Places like Wall St always want the Ivy tag but I don't think Ivies are what they used to be.

I just saw SU dropped majors and certificate programs. That's going to happen a lot more as economy tanks. I like the way UK charges by degree. Oxbridge, Edinburgh and such charge (for international students) almost half as much for history and lit degrees as for engineering. Top UK universities are considerably cheaper than US versions but no aid. Personally if I was a serious student today (I wasn't at 18) I would like international route.


 
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The Syracuse collapse was pointed out months before the WSJ article.

Let's fast forward a decade or two. Syracuse will be begging the state to bail it out to create SUNY Syracuse. At the same time, New York will be struggling to close dozens of unnecessary rural SUNY campuses in remote parts of the state where college-bound students neither are created nor want to move.
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I don't think NYS is losing population enough for that, and the parts of NYS with increasing population are often affluent and universally pro education.

Downstate parents, be they first generation immigrants or white collar on LI or Westchester will find value in a SUNY degree. As opposed to PA or other states with problems. And the kids like being "away."
 
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NotInRHouse said:
I don't think NYS is losing population enough for that, and the parts of NYS with increasing population are often affluent and universally pro education.

Downstate parents, be they first generation immigrants or white collar on LI or Westchester will find value in a SUNY degree. As opposed to PA or other states with problems. And the kids like being "away."
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The population of upstate New York is slowly evaporating, with central New York shrinking fastest. Not good for colleges in this region.

At the same time, the population is growing in the 5 boros, Long Island and Westchester.

Helps explain why Stony Brook has blown past Binghamton as the best SUNY.
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Fat Koko said:
The population of upstate New York is slowly evaporating, with central New York shrinking fastest. Not good for colleges in this region.

At the same time, the population is growing in the 5 boros, Long Island and Westchester.

Helps explain why Stony Brook has blown past Binghamton as the best SUNY.
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IBM no longer has any presence in the area (Endicott- near Binghamton), where IBM was founded. Major brain drain in the area. Closest major tech company is over an our West- Corning Inc.

At its height, IBM employed as many as 18,000 people in Endicott. It's odd Binghamton bumped up in 2023, when the final employees left the Endicott office.


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IBM to close offices in Endicott after nearly 100 years

It was founded in 1924; its predecessors date back to 1911.
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Point is Rutgers will lose some qualified students to Southeast schools and Rutgers needs to do a better job offering the traditional college experience many kids seek. Still, Rutgers - and UMass - are thriving because the states are overflowing with immigrant families raising bright kids who go to the in state flagships. These families don't care if the football teams suck.
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- win something or some games you haven’t in Football
- have NB push a broom once in a while
- Rutgers specific…“relax, baby”
 
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Apparently on the wrestling board, there was a post regarding Rider having their wrestling HC step down to fill their de facto open AD role. Idk how deep into the rabbit hole that poster has gone or how much knowledge he truly has but he's claiming the school is evaluating its Athletic Department and could potentially drop out of D1. In all honesty I wouldn't be shocked at all if Rider doesn't exist as a university in 5 years. That school is in serious trouble financially and on accreditation probation.
 
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Fat Koko said:
The population of upstate New York is slowly evaporating, with central New York shrinking fastest. Not good for colleges in this region.

At the same time, the population is growing in the 5 boros, Long Island and Westchester.

Helps explain why Stony Brook has blown past Binghamton as the best SUNY.
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I’m guessing orange and rockland are colored as they are due to the hassidics taking over…did not like those people when I lived there. Talk about REAL misogyny 🤢
 
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IBM no longer has any presence in the area (Endicott- near Binghamton), where IBM was founded. Major brain drain in the area. Closest major tech company is over an our West- Corning Inc.

At its height, IBM employed as many as 18,000 people in Endicott. It's odd Binghamton bumped up in 2023, when the final employees left the Endicott office.


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IBM to close offices in Endicott after nearly 100 years

It was founded in 1924; its predecessors date back to 1911.
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I got accepted to Bing twice for grad school but at the time I didn't like the city of Binghamton. Rod Serling grew-up there and it made sense to me lol. Since then I got to know the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions and its beautiful there (Letchworth Park, Cornell, Watkins Glen, Susquehanna river is over 300 million years and one of oldest in world), Stony Brook is a commuter school but they have football and LI girls. Bing is a basketball school . Southern NY growing with migrants and traffic off the hook all over, More wealthy NYC people moved upstate since 2020.

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Bueller said:
I got accepted to Bing twice for grad school but at the time I didn't like the city of Binghamton. Rod Serling grew-up there and it made sense to me lol. Since then I got to know the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions and its beautiful there (Letchworth Park, Cornell, Watkins Glen, Susquehanna river is over 300 million years and one of oldest in world), Stony Brook is a commuter school but they have football and LI girls. Bing is a basketball school . Southern NY growing with migrants and traffic off the hook all over, More wealthy NYC people moved upstate since 2020.

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All of the Finger Lakes are worth exploring. For those that like wine (not whining!), there are many wineries along the lakes. And don't miss the charming little town of Corning, NY and the Corning Glass Museum. Worked in that locations for a couple/few years, and cost of living is low, but the cost of traveling back to NY/NJ added up too. But lots of people like the company town life with solid schools because there are so many executives and scientists in the area.
 
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All of the Finger Lakes are worth exploring. For those that like wine (not whining!), there are many wineries along the lakes. And don't miss the charming little town of Corning, NY and the Corning Glass Museum. Worked in that locations for a couple/few years, and cost of living is low, but the cost of traveling back to NY/NJ added up too. But lots of people like the company town life with solid schools because there are so many executives and scientists in the area.
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WSJ had Rochester (Finger lakes Region area) as one of most affordable for homes. You can still buy a house for low to mid $200ks. People dont have to go to Rochester the city. A lot of the burbs are nice. Canal area is nice. Its still America up north.

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WSJ article today (behind paywall): “Hundreds of Colleges Are Sending Acceptance Letters to Kids Who Didn’t Even Apply.”

North Dakota State is the only FBS school doing this, which is shocking as NDSU was elevated to FBS status yet this move to the big time did not bring in a surge in new applications.
 
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15 colleges now cost $100K+ per year — and almost none of them are worth it​


The most expensive schools in the US are:
  1. Harvey Mudd College, Calif. — $104,512
  2. Duke University, NC — $103,975
  3. University of Chicago, Ill. — $103,821
  4. University of Southern California, Ill. — $103,162
  5. Barnard College, NY — $103,000
  6. Washington University, Mo. — $102,260
  7. Smith College, Mass. — $102,226
  8. Fordham University, NY — $102,188
  9. Claremont McKenna College, Calif. — $101,990
  10. Vassar College, NY — $101,051
  11. Wesleyan University, Conn. — $101,030
  12. New York University, NY — $100,998
  13. Georgetown University, DC — $100,864
  14. Colgate University, NY — $100,224
  15. Haverford College, Penn. — $100,026

Ivy League schools Brown, Columbia and Cornell were close behind, each charging just under $100,000 per year.


Despite those huge prices, separate statistics raised questions about what the money is buying — none of the 15 most expensive schools appeared equally high in college rankings of the best returns on investment.

nypost.com

15 colleges now cost $100K+ per year — and almost none of them are worth it

Fifteen higher ed institutions cracked the six-figure pricetag this year, up from a just two the previous year, according to an analysis from the the Washington Post.
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Bueller said:

15 colleges now cost $100K+ per year — and almost none of them are worth it​


The most expensive schools in the US are:
  1. Harvey Mudd College, Calif. — $104,512
  2. Duke University, NC — $103,975
  3. University of Chicago, Ill. — $103,821
  4. University of Southern California, Ill. — $103,162
  5. Barnard College, NY — $103,000
  6. Washington University, Mo. — $102,260
  7. Smith College, Mass. — $102,226
  8. Fordham University, NY — $102,188
  9. Claremont McKenna College, Calif. — $101,990
  10. Vassar College, NY — $101,051
  11. Wesleyan University, Conn. — $101,030
  12. New York University, NY — $100,998
  13. Georgetown University, DC — $100,864
  14. Colgate University, NY — $100,224
  15. Haverford College, Penn. — $100,026

Ivy League schools Brown, Columbia and Cornell were close behind, each charging just under $100,000 per year.


Despite those huge prices, separate statistics raised questions about what the money is buying — none of the 15 most expensive schools appeared equally high in college rankings of the best returns on investment.

nypost.com

15 colleges now cost $100K+ per year — and almost none of them are worth it

Fifteen higher ed institutions cracked the six-figure pricetag this year, up from a just two the previous year, according to an analysis from the the Washington Post.
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While I agree with the schools being severely overpriced, you couldn't use a better source than NY freaking Post? That newspaper is a bag of ****.
 
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Like the WaPo or the NYT aren’t also bags of ***** 😆😆
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Indeed but there is the "stopped-clock-twice-a-day" thing so they surprise me just sometimes. Only thing I read regular is ZeroHedge and reddit. At ZeroHedge you can post about anything without crybabes having fits lol. Redditt can surprise and when things like the mudslides in Nepal you get people living there posting vids and pics. Google bought it for AI data.
 
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Easiest way to cut cuts 25%…..Zero reason all bachelor programs can’t reduce to 3 years..

Get rid of mandatory li arts for Engineers and other STEM

For non stem, eliminate non major/minor requirements

120 credits is just a money grab and removing 30 will not in any way change skills sets for your career after college - zero
 
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