Checking in on Air Noland: victim of the system?

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He's currently the backup at Memphis and has no pass attempts on the year and 1 rush for 0 yards.

I don't know all about the kid's circumstances. One can presume he bolted OSU b/c he was buried so deep on the depth chart (5th I think). It seems he transferred from here for similar reasons. It's possible he was told at OSU or here that he should move on b/c there was no NIL money for him. Now he's on his 3rd school in 3 seasons and still is not a starter, even at the G5 level. His college career is probably done for at this point.

In the old days, the kid would have just grinded it out at OSU, maybe eventually developed into a quality backup, or even a starter by his senior year and graduated with a degree from a great school. Now, either by their own choosing or the school's choosing, they are shuffled along from program to program. He's getting a fraction of the development he'd have gotten had he remained at OSU. Maybe he can develop into a G5 starter, but he was unable to beat out a DII transfer from West Florida. I would look for him to transfer again after this season, assuming the pattern continues. He'll probably finish his college "career" having played at 4-5 schools, establishing no relationships and possibly finish without a degree b/c of the constant movement.

It's a shame this is what college football has become. Dabo gets crapped on b/c he's no adapted to the modern game. Cowherd dumped on Dabo saying any other P4 program would have cut Vizzina loose long ago. I get it from the competitive standpoint. If you want to win in today's game, that's what you have to do. There is no development. There are no relationships. And that's mutual. Players, for the most part, want to go where they can get the most money and start immediately. Coaches tell players who aren't developing quickly enough that they should look for NIL opportunities elsewhere.
 

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He's currently the backup at Memphis and has no pass attempts on the year and 1 rush for 0 yards.

I don't know all about the kid's circumstances. One can presume he bolted OSU b/c he was buried so deep on the depth chart (5th I think). It seems he transferred from here for similar reasons. It's possible he was told at OSU or here that he should move on b/c there was no NIL money for him. Now he's on his 3rd school in 3 seasons and still is not a starter, even at the G5 level. His college career is probably done for at this point.

In the old days, the kid would have just grinded it out at OSU, maybe eventually developed into a quality backup, or even a starter by his senior year and graduated with a degree from a great school. Now, either by their own choosing or the school's choosing, they are shuffled along from program to program. He's getting a fraction of the development he'd have gotten had he remained at OSU. Maybe he can develop into a G5 starter, but he was unable to beat out a DII transfer from West Florida. I would look for him to transfer again after this season, assuming the pattern continues. He'll probably finish his college "career" having played at 4-5 schools, establishing no relationships and possibly finish without a degree b/c of the constant movement.

It's a shame this is what college football has become. Dabo gets crapped on b/c he's no adapted to the modern game. Cowherd dumped on Dabo saying any other P4 program would have cut Vizzina loose long ago. I get it from the competitive standpoint. If you want to win in today's game, that's what you have to do. There is no development. There are no relationships. And that's mutual. Players, for the most part, want to go where they can get the most money and start immediately. Coaches tell players who aren't developing quickly enough that they should look for NIL opportunities elsewhere.
Or perhaps let's look at it another way. Despite years in the program, Dabo and his staff failed to develop a four star, top 100 QB into a competent college starter.

Development is the problem here. Dabo's coaching staff is a complete joke, filled with former players, retread coaches, and nepotism. Everyone can blame NIL and the portal, but the real culprit for Dabo's downfall is his failure to hire good coaches.
 

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Or perhaps let's look at it another way. Despite years in the program, Dabo and his staff failed to develop a four star, top 100 QB into a competent college starter.

Development is the problem here. Dabo's coaching staff is a complete joke, filled with former players, retread coaches, and nepotism. Everyone can blame NIL and the portal, but the real culprit for Dabo's downfall is his failure to hire good coaches.

As it pertains to Noland, however, he's just another example of a player who, by choice or force, gets shuffled along and not developed, either athletically or academically.

I'm just not a fan of a system that de-emphasizes player development. You're almost never going to see P4 starting QBs who have waited 2-3 years to start. And sometimes not even 1 year.
 

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Or perhaps let's look at it another way. Despite years in the program, Dabo and his staff failed to develop a four star, top 100 QB into a competent college starter.

Development is the problem here. Dabo's coaching staff is a complete joke, filled with former players, retread coaches, and nepotism. Everyone can blame NIL and the portal, but the real culprit for Dabo's downfall is his failure to hire good coaches.

As it pertains to Noland, however, he's just another example of a player who, by choice or force, gets shuffled along and not developed, either athletically or academically.

I'm just not a fan of a system that de-emphasizes player development. You're almost never going to see P4 starting QBs who have waited 2-3 years to start. And sometimes not even 1 year.

The reference to Dabo, of course, was just a footnote to bigger topic, as he is, as far as anyone can tell, the last coach in all of college football who is trying to do things the old way. Reality is, neither Noland nor Vizzina are as good as billed coming out of high school. That was a reality for many top recruits even in the old system. But they would still, in most cases, stay at their original program and work to develop as much as they could, even if that was just a serviceable backup. Now they either just transfer indefinitely, chasing a starting job, or are told there's no NIL opportunity for them. Either way, it's detrimental.
 

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As it pertains to Noland, however, he's just another example of a player who, by choice or force, gets shuffled along and not developed, either athletically or academically.

I'm just not a fan of a system that de-emphasizes player development. You're almost never going to see P4 starting QBs who have waited 2-3 years to start. And sometimes not even 1 year.
I don't think I've seen any reports that South Carolina or Ohio State told Noland to move on. He could have stayed and developed, he just didn't want to. And that's his right in today's world, and he has to live with his choices.
 

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I coached youth sports for a long time and I've watched my kids play competitive sports in HS. My son is a starter on a HS baseball team and has been since he was a sophomore. So I can say I have a good idea of what is going on. Coaches do not develop kids anymore. They cater to the starters and the kids that already have the physical ability. The kids that currently have the height and strength. There are so many kids that play football, basketball and baseball that do not get any attention because they currently do not have the physical ability.

Coaches take the kids that currently have what they want and teach them their system. They don't care about the ones that do not have the ability. They don't coach them and they don't encourage them.
 

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I don't think I've seen any reports that South Carolina or Ohio State told Noland to move on. He could have stayed and developed, he just didn't want to. And that's his right in today's world, and he has to live with his choices.

I acknowledged the possibility, which is simply obvious. NIL funds are limited. It may not get reported, but everyone knows that coaches tell some players "Look, we don't have NIL money for you." Beamer himself has acknowledged in roundabout ways that some players were encouraged to look for opportunities elsewhere.
 
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I acknowledged the possibility, which is simply obvious. NIL funds are limited. It may not get reported, but everyone knows that coaches tell some players "Look, we don't have NIL money for you." Beamer himself has acknowledged in roundabout ways that some players were encouraged to look for opportunities elsewhere.
Exactly, and if that's the case here, it's still the player's decision. He can stay and develop, knowing that turning into the starting QB in the SEC will be extremely lucrative, or he can chase the immediate bag.

No backup QB should be getting much anyway beyond his scholarship.
 

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I coached youth sports for a long time and I've watched my kids play competitive sports in HS. My son is a starter on a HS baseball team and has been since he was a sophomore. So I can say I have a good idea of what is going on. Coaches do not develop kids anymore. They cater to the starters and the kids that already have the physical ability. The kids that currently have the height and strength. There are so many kids that play football, basketball and baseball that do not get any attention because they currently do not have the physical ability.

Coaches take the kids that currently have what they want and teach them their system. They don't care about the ones that do not have the ability. They don't coach them and they don't encourage them.
Sad state of affairs.

At least at the college level, it's tied directly to the destruction of the student-athlete model. That model had its flaws, but it was at least structured in such a way that kids were encouraged to get degrees. Graduation rate used to be a big deal. Now instead, we talk about roster retention rate.
 
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Exactly, and if that's the case here, it's still the player's decision. He can stay and develop, knowing that turning into the starting QB in the SEC will be extremely lucrative, or he can chase the immediate bag.

No backup QB should be getting much anyway beyond his scholarship.

Of course, which is why I still tied it to the players' decision, but what's a 19 or 20 year old going do when the head coach tells them, effectively, "we don't want you here anymore"?

In any event, you're straining to miss the bigger point which is that the current system de-emphasizes and even penalizes player development. Not to mention the pursuit of degrees and establishment of relationships.
 
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In the one spring game that both Cutter played as a true freshman and Air Noland played, Cutter looked like the much better prospect, it was not close, imho, so it made sense with Air Noland decided to eventually move on again.

Hopefully he gets starts to apply some patience to his situations and decides to grind it out at Memphis and gets the opportunity he is looking for.
 

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In the one spring game that both Cutter played as a true freshman and Air Noland played, Cutter looked like the much better prospect, it was not close, imho, so it made sense with Air Noland decided to eventually move on again.

Hopefully he gets starts to apply some patience to his situations and decides to grind it out at Memphis and gets the opportunity he is looking for.

Unfortunately the system does not function to encourage young people to make such decisions.

He's 20 and certainly responsible for his own decisions, but I still bemoan a system that plants in everyone's head that sticking out, waiting your turn, etc is inherently a bad path to take.
 

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To me, this tells me the recruiting rankings for this kid were WAY off. He couldn't cut it at OSU, then us, and now is a bench warmer at Memphis.

I do agree with above that kids are "cut" all the time, its just not public.
 

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Of course, which is why I still tied it to the players' decision, but what's a 19 or 20 year old going do when the head coach tells them, effectively, "we don't want you here anymore"?

In any event, you're straining to miss the bigger point which is that the current system de-emphasizes and even penalizes player development. Not to mention the pursuit of degrees and establishment of relationships.
Ultimately you're projecting what happened in the meeting between Noland and Beamer. Perhaps Beamer told him he was getting $0 NIL and USC didn't want him anymore, but neither of us has any idea. It's not like he was the backup QB last year, he was 3rd or 4th string at best.

The current system allows free player movement, which is ridiculous in and of itself, but players are perfectly capable of sticking around one program if he chooses to do so. The scholarships are awarded for four years, so a player who wants to stay and develop can do so.

Or the player can chase the immediate bag of instant gratification.

There's still plenty of single-program development going on in college football. Nyck Harbor, for example, is in his 4th year at South Carolina despite rarely living up to the hype/promise hoped for with his 5 star rating out of high school.
 

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To me, this tells me the recruiting rankings for this kid were WAY off. He couldn't cut it at OSU, then us, and now is a bench warmer at Memphis.

I do agree with above that kids are "cut" all the time, its just not public.
Yeah, he was obviously not ranked properly. We have our own long list of highly ranked players who didn't pan out. Every school does.

The difference is, those players used to just accept their lot in life and use the opportunity to get a degree and contribute as a role player or backup or on ST, etc. Now it's a combination of "If you can't contribute immediately, we don't need you" and "If I can't contribute immediately, I'm going somewhere else."

We all see the proliferation of players like Noland. Doomed to the portal wilderness.
 
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Of course, which is why I still tied it to the players' decision, but what's a 19 or 20 year old going do when the head coach tells them, effectively, "we don't want you here anymore"?

In any event, you're straining to miss the bigger point which is that the current system de-emphasizes and even penalizes player development. Not to mention the pursuit of degrees and establishment of relationships.
And back to your other original example, Christopher Vizzina. He was loyal to Clemson but has clearly not been developed into a P4 starting QB. Perhaps he would have been better off finding a program with a serious coaching staff, but he chose loyalty and is now paying for it. He'll likely finish his college career benched for the "hot" freshman.
 

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Has anyone intel on Duckworth? Is he under “development” (quietly) or will he become another victim of the current system?
 

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Ultimately you're projecting what happened in the meeting between Noland and Beamer. Perhaps Beamer told him he was getting $0 NIL and USC didn't want him anymore, but neither of us has any idea. It's not like he was the backup QB last year, he was 3rd or 4th string at best.

The current system allows free player movement, which is ridiculous in and of itself, but players are perfectly capable of sticking around one program if he chooses to do so. The scholarships are awarded for four years, so a player who wants to stay and develop can do so.

Or the player can chase the immediate bag of instant gratification.

There's still plenty of single-program development going on in college football. Nyck Harbor, for example, is in his 4th year at South Carolina despite rarely living up to the hype/promise hoped for with his 5 star rating out of high school.

Of course it still happens to some degree, but it's already greatly diminished compared to what it was just a few years ago b/c of the portal and NIL. You know as well as I do, coaches are recruiting players out of high school, sifting through those for the ones who can contribute most immediately, and shuffling the others off to the portal and then using the portal to fill those roster spots with players they think will be more immediate contributors. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

It's transparent standard protocol now.
 

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I do agree with above that kids are "cut" all the time, its just not public.

One would otherwise have to believe every player from our OL last year spontaneously and individually decided to transfer out after last season.
 

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Has anyone intel on Duckworth? Is he under “development” (quietly) or will he become another victim of the current system?

It does not look good for his future here if he is behind the guy who's name I can't even remember off the top of my head.
 
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It does not look good for his future here if he is behind the guy who's name I can't even remember off the top of my head.
Maybe, just maybe, they have him buried in the depth chart so other schools wouldn’t poach him. That’s probably not the case since agents are now involved with the future of players but if he has potential (like Harbor?) I could see paying him a sum of $$$ and saving him until Sellers is off the stage.
 

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I coached youth sports for a long time and I've watched my kids play competitive sports in HS. My son is a starter on a HS baseball team and has been since he was a sophomore. So I can say I have a good idea of what is going on. Coaches do not develop kids anymore. They cater to the starters and the kids that already have the physical ability. The kids that currently have the height and strength. There are so many kids that play football, basketball and baseball that do not get any attention because they currently do not have the physical ability.

Coaches take the kids that currently have what they want and teach them their system. They don't care about the ones that do not have the ability. They don't coach them and they don't encourage them.
When has this not been the case? Maybe coaches took a little more time to develop in the old days, but coaches have taken most of their time to develop the kids that can help them win ballgames. I guess this never really bothered me because I grew up in a basketball background where you saw kids getting cut as early as 7th grade. It was either you were good enough or you are not. Then after that you were fighting to be one of the top 8 or 9 guys because you weren't playing if you fell below that. Football didn't cut you, but it was the same competition for starting positions and they developed those guys.
 
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Gunner Stockton waited around essentially 3 years for his shot. Certainly he could've transferred out and started for another P4 school.
 

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We all see the proliferation of players like Noland. Doomed to the portal wilderness.
Isn't that actually the majority of players that transfer via the portal? Don't the latest statistics say something like 40% of the players who enter the portal fail to even land scholarships? How many more than that fail to _improve_ their standing, either by landing at a more prominent program or securing more playing time? I think it's a lot like bettors in a casino - the jackpot winners get all our attention while most of them are getting chewed up and spit out by the house.
 

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I coached youth sports for a long time and I've watched my kids play competitive sports in HS. My son is a starter on a HS baseball team and has been since he was a sophomore. So I can say I have a good idea of what is going on. Coaches do not develop kids anymore. They cater to the starters and the kids that already have the physical ability. The kids that currently have the height and strength. There are so many kids that play football, basketball and baseball that do not get any attention because they currently do not have the physical ability.

Coaches take the kids that currently have what they want and teach them their system. They don't care about the ones that do not have the ability. They don't coach them and they don't encourage them.
But isn't it still possible for a player to develop in a program like Ohio State simply be being around and competing against the best of the best for a few years? For most recruits at a place like Ohio State, simply be relegated down the depth chart is itself a novel opportunity for growth.
 

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I'd say playing at all this year would be a bonus in prep for a solid chance to start next year at memphis. If that becomes a situation where it's not going to happen, he could transfer to a smaller school with hopes of starting and getting to play.



Going off a recruiting ranking isn't a great way to determine if someone was undeveloped. Lots of football players were the best they will ever be Senior year of high school.
 

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But isn't it still possible for a player to develop in a program like Ohio State simply be being around and competing against the best of the best for a few years? For most recruits at a place like Ohio State, simply be relegated down the depth chart is itself a novel opportunity for growth.

I've heard many athletes say playing is the best way to get better. That doesn't mean all who play will get better, but generally people do improve.

I am sure watching doesn't hurt in some respects but I could stand and watch Josh Allen all day and it won't help.

I can't blame a player for transferring if they aren't playing. I would guess that, in most cases, they see that they are unlikely to play anytime soon and that causes them to jump.
 

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Going off a recruiting ranking isn't a great way to determine if someone was undeveloped. Lots of football players were the best they will ever be Senior year of high school.


What was it you said about people not replying to what was actually said in a post?
 

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Lots of football players were the best they will ever be Senior year of high school.
That happens all the time. Same with baseball.
QBs are different from any other position, especially throwing. It can be compared to pitchers in baseball.

Some QBs will never be accurate throwers regardless of how much development is applied. I defer to the coaches that already know this.

At the end of the day, some guys got it and some do not. The NFL knows this all too well and pays dearly for it every year trying to find a QB who can be special.
 

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That happens all the time. Same with baseball.
QBs are different from any other position, especially throwing. It can be compared to pitchers in baseball.

Some QBs will never be accurate throwers regardless of how much development is applied. I defer to the coaches that already know this.

At the end of the day, some guys got it and some do not. The NFL knows this all too well and pays dearly for it every year trying to find a QB who can be special.

One thing we don't think about very much - or at least I don't- some kids lose interest and get tired of football. Their heart isn't in it anymore, even though they might go through the motions.

A friend of mine's brother was a 3 star recruit in high school and was offered by schools like App State, Coastal, Wofford and Wake Forest invited him for a visit. He was an offensive lineman. He ended up going to NC State as a regular student.

He was burnt out on football. He was like 6'5" and 275 and was always pushed toward football but he didn't really love the game. By his senior year of high school, even while being recruited, he was telling his family he had doubts he wanted to keep playing. He turned down all of it.

My friend told me that if his brother had went on to play college ball, he would have likely been one of those recruits that never did anything and barely played while fans wondered what happened to him. I am sure every team has a number of players like that.

That was years ago. Never regretted it.
 
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I've heard many athletes say playing is the best way to get better. That doesn't mean all who play will get better, but generally people do improve.

I am sure watching doesn't hurt in some respects but I could stand and watch Josh Allen all day and it won't help.

I can't blame a player for transferring if they aren't playing. I would guess that, in most cases, they see that they are unlikely to play anytime soon and that causes them to jump.
Sure, but I said "competing against," as in practice. There's a reason why freshmen and even sophomores traditionally rarely started at top programs like Ohio State - because they weren't ready yet.

I don't doubt that playing leads to improvement, but so far, Noland isn't doing much playing since leaving OSU. I suspect he would have been better off sharpening his iron against other iron while also having the opportunity to get a first-rate degree instead of dropping credits left and right every time he transfers. Maybe it'll still work out for him and he'll still make the NFL, but that window looks pretty small at this point.
 
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And back to your other original example, Christopher Vizzina. He was loyal to Clemson but has clearly not been developed into a P4 starting QB. Perhaps he would have been better off finding a program with a serious coaching staff, but he chose loyalty and is now paying for it. He'll likely finish his college career benched for the "hot" freshman.
I don't know too much about Vizzina, but he could be a case of looking great in practice but not doing so well in actual games. That is not uncommon.
 

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Gunner Stockton waited around essentially 3 years for his shot. Certainly he could've transferred out and started for another P4 school.
Yeah, and I think UGA has two four stars on the roster backing him up and a commitment from another 4 star. I don't know what sort of magic Kirby is using.
 

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You left out the part that the DII transfer was at one point committed to Florida before having his scholarship revoked for saying the N-word in a video while rapping.

Memphis has money and does a good job of getting bargain/proven players.

Nolan is talented, just didn’t seem to have “it”
 

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He's currently the backup at Memphis and has no pass attempts on the year and 1 rush for 0 yards.

I don't know all about the kid's circumstances. One can presume he bolted OSU b/c he was buried so deep on the depth chart (5th I think). It seems he transferred from here for similar reasons. It's possible he was told at OSU or here that he should move on b/c there was no NIL money for him. Now he's on his 3rd school in 3 seasons and still is not a starter, even at the G5 level. His college career is probably done for at this point.

In the old days, the kid would have just grinded it out at OSU, maybe eventually developed into a quality backup, or even a starter by his senior year and graduated with a degree from a great school. Now, either by their own choosing or the school's choosing, they are shuffled along from program to program. He's getting a fraction of the development he'd have gotten had he remained at OSU. Maybe he can develop into a G5 starter, but he was unable to beat out a DII transfer from West Florida. I would look for him to transfer again after this season, assuming the pattern continues. He'll probably finish his college "career" having played at 4-5 schools, establishing no relationships and possibly finish without a degree b/c of the constant movement.

It's a shame this is what college football has become. Dabo gets crapped on b/c he's no adapted to the modern game. Cowherd dumped on Dabo saying any other P4 program would have cut Vizzina loose long ago. I get it from the competitive standpoint. If you want to win in today's game, that's what you have to do. There is no development. There are no relationships. And that's mutual. Players, for the most part, want to go where they can get the most money and start immediately. Coaches tell players who aren't developing quickly enough that they should look for NIL opportunities elsewhere.
Air Noland isn't a victim of the system, when i saw him in our spring game he was simply awful, couldn't stop throwing it in the grass.
 

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Or perhaps let's look at it another way. Despite years in the program, Dabo and his staff failed to develop a four star, top 100 QB into a competent college starter.

Development is the problem here. Dabo's coaching staff is a complete joke, filled with former players, retread coaches, and nepotism. Everyone can blame NIL and the portal, but the real culprit for Dabo's downfall is his failure to hire good coaches.
while it can be said some of the hires made by Dabo have been bad, bringing back Chad Morris might prove to be another bad decision. However to be fair, Dabo did go out and hire a splashy coach for his oc, Riley, but for whatever reason, that did not work out. He also hired a highly regarded OL coach but so far that has not worked out too well so far either.
 

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while it can be said some of the hires made by Dabo have been bad, bringing back Chad Morris might prove to be another bad decision. However to be fair, Dabo did go out and hire a splashy coach for his oc, Riley, but for whatever reason, that did not work out. He also hired a highly regarded OL coach but so far that has not worked out too well so far either.
while it can be said some of the hires made by Dabo have been bad, bringing back Chad Morris might prove to be another bad decision. However to be fair, Dabo did go out and hire a splashy coach for his oc, Riley, but for whatever reason, that did not work out. He also hired a highly regarded OL coach but so far that has not worked out too well so far either.
He hired an OL coach who quit at UGA because he wanted more time with his family. That tells me he isn't 100% focused on being a big time college OL coach. I think he hired a guy he liked as OL coach and hoped he would be good as an OL coach. Kirby let him go for a reason.
 

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while it can be said some of the hires made by Dabo have been bad, bringing back Chad Morris might prove to be another bad decision. However to be fair, Dabo did go out and hire a splashy coach for his oc, Riley, but for whatever reason, that did not work out. He also hired a highly regarded OL coach but so far that has not worked out too well so far either.
Dabo made him run the "Clemson" offense. Riley didn't have control.
 

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I don't think Nolands issues have anything to do with the current state of football or college sports. I’ll just leave it at that. And I really dislike the current state of college athletics so I’m in no way defending it.
 
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