Iowa State at Iowa lines as of 2:45 PM Saturday

WeBeHerkin said:

Okie State? Did they win a game last year?

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And?????????

squeezebox_1 said:

And????????

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all that matters is win today!!!

HawkinAZ said:

Once again complete BS. Do your research. 1982 Iowa was 7-4, 1984 7-4-1, 1993 6-5, and 1997 7-4. Every one of these teams went to a bowl. Hayden began coaching in 1979. ISU went to 4 bowl in the 70's with 3 8-3 teams and a 5-5-1 team in 1972.

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Big difference between the 70s and 90s

HawkinAZ said:

Once again complete BS. Do your research. 1982 Iowa was 7-4, 1984 7-4-1, 1993 6-5, and 1997 7-4. Every one of these teams went to a bowl. Hayden began coaching in 1979. ISU went to 4 bowl in the 70's with 3 8-3 teams and a 5-5-1 team in 1972.

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1970- 11 bowl games
1980-15
1990-19
2000-25
40+ today
When Hayden started at Iowa, there were 15
There were 47 last year

HawkinAZ said:

Sports Reference has ISU at 6-5 in 1980.

They ended up 5-5-1 in 1981 losing to a 6-5 San Diego St and a 2-9 Kansas St. Tied Oklahoma and Beat Missouri both top 10 when ISU played them but ended up 19th and 20th in the final poll. Beat West Texas St 17-13. Strange year for ISU.

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Thanks for the correction. Wikipedia gave me some misinformation. Its version of the Big 12 standings for 1980 says ISU was 7-4, despite the lead paragraph saying they were 6-5.

Grayhair1981 said:

Off the top of my head, I would say ISU was decent-good 4-5 years out of Fry's 20 years. Maybe 7-8 years out of the 26 that KF played them. So yes, SLIGHT edge in difficulty to KF. Hayden was 15-5 vs them.
KF 14-12
It is the single worst blemish on Kirk's tenure as HC

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Off the top of my head, I would say ISU was decent-good 4-5 years out of Fry's 20 years. Maybe 7-8 years out of the 26 that KF played them. So yes, SLIGHT edge in difficulty to KF.

This is the quote I have a major problem with. Which ISU teams were decent to good? The 1980 team was 6-5 beating 3 mid majors and Iowa and going 2-5 in the Big 8. They beat a 3-8 KSU and 3-7-1 OSU. They also lost to a 1-10 Colorado who had lost every other game including to Drake 22-41. Is this one of your decent teams or good teams?

ISU Teams Kirk faced.

2000 9-3 and 25th in the final AP poll. The beat Pitt for the first bowl win in school history.

2001 7-5 facing UNI, Ohio, Iowa, Alabama, and 8 Big 12 teams.

2002 7-7 facing #21 Florida St, #5 Oklahoma, #6 Texas, #7 KSU, #20 Colorado, #15 Boise St in the bowl game.

2004 7-5

2005 7-5

2017 8-5 Lost to 8-5 Iowa, beat #3 Oklahoma, lost to #9 TCU, #14 OSU, and #25 Memphis in the bowl.

2018 8-5 lost to #25 Iowa again. The were 6-3 in the Big 12 losing to #4 Oklahoma, 7-6 TCU, #9 Texas and the bowl game to #10 Washington St. They ended at #18 in the college Football play-off poll.

2019 7-6 lost to #15 Iowa, and #12 Notre Dame in the Bowl. Was 5-4 in the Big 12. Lost to #13 Baylor, 8-5 OSU, #7 Oklahoma, beat #25 Texas, lost to 8-5 KSU.

2023 7-6 Lost to #24 Iowa, was 6-3 in the Big 12 losing to #15 Oklahoma, #23 Kansas, #3 Texas, beat #18 KSU lost the bowl to 10-3 Memphis. They also lost to 10-3 Ohio.

2024 11-3 and #24 in the final AP poll. They beat #18 Miami in the bowl game.

2025 8-4

There is no comparison between ISU Fry played and ISU Kirk played.