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yesrutgers01

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My biggest question on Lonnegan - he looks like he actually has a pretty good arm and can make throws- which would make him very good in practice. But, during the game- he just looked like he was lost out there and almost played scared. This is a kid that has started mult P4 games and this was against UMass...That would scare the heck out of me to put him out there again as a starter.

And you know, against BC- if Lonnegan was starting- Greg would have the kid do exactly what he did at BC and not throw any wrinkles into his game to outcoach BC- It would have been super ugly for the kid.

We better get our OL on track, or this will just be ugly for AJ as well.
 
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I remind the board that HOF NFL coach Bill Parcells once chose Scott Bruner over Phil Sims.

This is a very inexact science where the only way to truly know is when these guys face live fire. That said, I'm glad Surace is now our quarterback. Dylan was never the future, AJ is.
 
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Caliknight said:
That doesn't necessarily mean anything. It looked like there was a staffer of some kind watching him and they talked after he did it. Could have been a physical test of some kind.

If he isn't at least at the game Friday, then let the conspiracy theories start.

Probably an easy decision for Schiano. Lonergan didn't look great and has little pop on his ball. Surace seemed better but that was after Umass already ate their lunch. Even so, Schiano can use it as a rallying cry. He's got to be very desperate at this point. Any potential edge needs to be used.

Btw, good thing he keeps all of those practices and information super top secret. Imagine how much we would have lost by if Umass had access to some camp highlights here or there. Ooof!

Starting to think Schiano kept this all under lock and key to not display how bad the team sucks.
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Also a smart move by GS to run the same offense Joe Harasymiak has seen for years without adding any new wrinkles or changing tendencies. Just because Joe Harasymiak has a smart and innovative mind who intimately knows the offense is no reason to try to do anything different to try to trip him up. As GS said before the game, we aren’t going to use deception and true to his word, they didn’t. I wonder how effective a pitcher would be if he told the batter where and what he was going to throw before every pitch?
 
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Bueller said:
I never saw the QBs before Friday. AJ had some good plays in garbage time. Lonergan had a nice 70 yd TD pass to Duff. AK behind that turnstile OL would have been a bit frantic. Got to have an OL and RU just cant get that right 7 years in 10.
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don't forget the ball that Duff dropped down the sideline that would have been another 40. nice ball by DL and Duff should have had it

the real question is this; what changed after the first series the led to a complete 180
 
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Kbe4 said:
It's gonna be real interesting if the worst happens and our pass protection fails and AJ gets hit and can't continue playing.
Who does Schiano replace him with ?
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Let's go Wild Knight. Sanu still has availability, right?
 
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Kbe4 said:
It's gonna be real interesting if the worst happens and our pass protection fails and AJ gets hit and can't continue playing.
Who does Schiano replace him with ?
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Probably 1 of his boys has eligibility. Or Kirk's.
 
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RUTGERS95 said:
don't forget the ball that Duff dropped down the sideline that would have been another 40. nice ball by DL and Duff should have had it

the real question is this; what changed after the first series the led to a complete 180
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The first series was completely scripted. After that the play calls were being made by the OC.
 
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matei said:
True. I think a much bigger disappointment was the putrid Oline play. What happened to all that physicality and violence? And that’s a veteran group too. They made A. Raymond look mediocre.
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QB doesn’t matter with that line.
 
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RUfan1977 said:
Also a smart move by GS to run the same offense Joe Harasymiak has seen for years without adding any new wrinkles or changing tendencies. Just because Joe Harasymiak has a smart and innovative mind who intimately knows the offense is no reason to try to do anything different to try to trip him up. As GS said before the game, we aren’t going to use deception and true to his word, they didn’t. I wonder how effective a pitcher would be if he told the batter where and what he was going to throw before every pitch?
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Schiano is a meathead. He coaches like a meathead and his teams reflect that. It’s why he could never stop a running QB. He doesn’t believe the QB should run so doesn’t understand how to stop it.

If he was an army general he’d have the troops line up and shoot then go to the back of the line like the English did in the Revolutionary War.
 
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albanyknight said:
I remind the board that HOF NFL coach Bill Parcells once chose Scott Bruner over Phil Sims.

This is a very inexact science where the only way to truly know is when these guys face live fire. That said, I'm glad Surace is now our quarterback. Dylan was never the future, AJ is.
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At least you didn’t spell all those names wrong, only a few of them. Keep Choppin!
 
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PSAL_Hoops

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RUTGERS95 said:
don't forget the ball that Duff dropped down the sideline that would have been another 40. nice ball by DL and Duff should have had it

the real question is this; what changed after the first series the led to a complete 180
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Raymond getting stuffed for a loss twice in a row. That. Point blank. Joe knew then we had no run game. It changed everything.
 
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PSAL_Hoops

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DJ Spanky said:
The first series was completely scripted. After that the play calls were being made by the OC.
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I don’t know if it was scripted or not, but Lonergan had all day to throw. Everything changed when Joe realized we had no run game. The defense sucked, yes, but the 2 hand offs to Raymond for loss on our second drive were the turning point of the game.
 
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Caliknight said:
Schiano is a meathead. He coaches like a meathead and his teams reflect that. It’s why he could never stop a running QB. He doesn’t believe the QB should run so doesn’t understand how to stop it.

If he was an army general he’d have the troops line up and shoot then go to the back of the line like the English did in the Revolutionary War.
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me hundreds of times even though everyone else can see what's coming, oh I'm Gary.
 
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RUTGERS95 said:
sorry, not following
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Sheeze! 🤣

RUTGERS95 said:
the real question is this; what changed after the first series the led to a complete 180
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DJ Spanky said:
The first series was completely scripted. After that the play calls were being made by the OC.
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What I meant was that the first series had all of the plays planned before the game started. After that, the OC (or whoever was calling the plays) were making adhoc decisions on what plays to run. And once things went south it became a clusterf##k.
 
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The starting O-line vs. UMass....Giwa, Asamoah, Salami, Vigna, Needham....which of them should be starting vs. BC in your opinion.
 
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Kbe4 said:
The starting O-line vs. UMass....Giwa, Asamoah, Salami, Vigna, Needham....which of them should be starting vs. BC in your opinion.
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Giwa and Needham should be flipflopped: Needham is much better at RT.
 
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DJ Spanky said:
Sheeze! 🤣





What I meant was that the first series had all of the plays planned before the game started. After that, the OC (or whoever was calling the plays) were making adhoc decisions on what plays to run. And once things went south it became a clusterf##k.
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haha, gotcha now:)
 
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koleszar

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RUTGERS95 said:
Dylan was shaking his hand in the endzone before he left so who knows

either way, it's going to come down to the Oline so they better fix that stat
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I'm not counting on it from Mr. Violence, it's a complete fv*king mess.

We went from an Oline that had limited missed assignments and was solid technique wise. To one that can't figure out who to get and then when they do, lunge at the defenders. It's like he purposely untaught everything learned from the last three seasons.
 
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PSAL_Hoops said:
Not sure what we have to replace Salami with but he looked pretty bad.
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And after we heard so much about how much he had improved this past off-season. I guess that was because he was working against RU's DTs in the Spring.
Also, was anyone else surprised to see Vigna start at left guard...a freshman ?
 
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jakeknight said:
Schiano had no choice, or said another way there was no other way to go. Even if Dylan wasn't injured BC knows every flaw the kid has, why make it totally easy for BC to Defensively scheme this game. (At least AJ has little to no tape out there)
As was said above Dylan has no pocket presence, the pressure totally in raveled him by the pop way same problem he had last year. If Greg was going to portal a QB why one that was so obviously flawed and did not have a history of success at any level. Either spend the money for a clearly better option or put your wallet away.
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Could have had Pop Watson?
 
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Kbe4 said:
And after we heard so much about how much he had improved this past off-season. I guess that was because he was working against RU's DTs in the Spring.
Also, was anyone else surprised to see Vigna start at left guard...a freshman ?
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That’s a big issue.
 
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RUTGERS95 said:
don't forget the ball that Duff dropped down the sideline that would have been another 40. nice ball by DL and Duff should have had it

the real question is this; what changed after the first series the led to a complete 180
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One possibility is that the first series was scripted. Everything else was on the fly.
 
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RUTGERS95 said:
sorry, not following
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If the first series was scripted (like a lot of teams do); the planning and sequence was practiced over and over again in practice which helps the offense. But that is just a guess on my part. Your question remains a valid one.
 
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DJ Spanky said:
The first series was completely scripted. After that the play calls were being made by the OC.
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Ding ding ding. Once the first series was over Kirk got into his own head and called a complete dinker of a game. Couldn’t get out of his own way and spiraled once he lost the lead. Offense not designed to play from behind.
 
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kupuna133 said:
Ding ding ding. Once the first series was over Kirk got into his own head and called a complete dinker of a game. Couldn’t get out of his own way and spiraled once he lost the lead. Offense not designed to play from behind.
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this is definitely true and an ongoing issue. This stems from the ball control approach

we need to just score as many points as possible, forget the defensive side of the ball and put as many points on the board as possible. I'm ok with shootouts, just win
 
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RUTGERS95 said:
this is definitely true and an ongoing issue. This stems from the ball control approach

we need to just score as many points as possible, forget the defensive side of the ball and put as many points on the board as possible. I'm ok with shootouts, just win
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It's the only path to winning as the team is currently constructed. But Schiano's mind isn't capable of thinking that way.
 
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