The MAC is appealing michigan’s win.
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Appealing to the NCAA??
Not going anywhere, but it sure would be glorious if the win was stripped away.
Not going anywhere, but it sure would be glorious if the win was stripped away.
They can’t seem to make up their mind whether they agree or not. Totally different than response the next day.
Just make damn sure that the "win" is "stripped" when the CFP selections are made.
When you get new information, smart people are able to change their mind.
Hope they win the appeal, but they won't. For one, I've never heard of it working, and they're up against The Machine.
They need to get this in front of a judge in Columbus, OH
I suppose it has a chance - problem with appeals is they often aren't cut and dried. You don't know what would happen next. Here we do - the game should have been over. No more snaps and possible fumble in V formation. Nothing left to do. It's over.
This "loss" could be very costly to WMU.
This "loss" could be very costly to WMU.
Can you imagine the Pandora's box that would be opened if they allowed post game appeals?
Granted, this is a rare instance where the disputed call happened after the final play. But just send WMU their apology letter and move on.
Granted, this is a rare instance where the disputed call happened after the final play. But just send WMU their apology letter and move on.
Man this would be something else if it actually was overturned. Seems like one of the only scenarios ever where overturning a game result is even possible.
This won't get overturned. An almost identical situation occurred in a Boise State-Colorado State basketball game about 10 years ago. Boise State hit a 3-pointer at the buzzer to win the game, but upon replay it was determined he didn't get the shot off in time. The clock on the television was not at zero when he released the ball, but the refs waived the basket off. The next day, the Mountain West said the replay clock was not synched properly and the shot should have counted. However, the game result was not changed and the Boise State loss stood. The same thing will happen here.
www.mwcconnection.com
Mountain West almost admits error in ending of Boise State, Colorado State game
The Mountain West admits that James Webb’s shot should have counted for Boise State.
www.mwcconnection.com
when Colorado won their national championship, they got a 5th down on the winning drive and nothing happened to them.
What don’t understand about the crazy two different clock excuse is, that right before the play the ref had them to manually put 9 seconds on the clock. How in the world could clocks be out of sync. You just manually put 9 seconds on all of them.
And this is the correct answer. The extra second didn't lose the game for WMU. It just gave Michigan another chance to win the game. Defend the hail mary better, and it's all moot.This won't get overturned. An almost identical situation occurred in a Boise State-Colorado State basketball game about 10 years ago. Boise State hit a 3-pointer at the buzzer to win the game, but upon replay it was determined he didn't get the shot off in time. The clock on the television was not at zero when he released the ball, but the refs waived the basket off. The next day, the Mountain West said the replay clock was not synched properly and the shot should have counted. However, the game result was not changed and the Boise State loss stood. The same thing will happen here.
Mountain West almost admits error in ending of Boise State, Colorado State game
The Mountain West admits that James Webb’s shot should have counted for Boise State.
What happened at the end of the basketball game I mentioned in a previous post was the replay video was not playing at full speed while the clock was moving at full speed. There was just enough of a difference where the clock hit zero before the video showed the player releasing the ball, when in reality, the shot was released in time. The same thing could have happened here, with the clock not being synched properly with the video. It's just very odd that two different clocks NBC showed on the television broadcast (their digital one on the score bug, and a stadium clock) showed the clock at zero before it was touched, while the clock the replay officials used was still at 1 second when the ball was touched.
It happened in the MHSAA once, in a playoff game. A blown rules interpretation on the last play of the game that happened to result in a free play and a winning score for Leland was later overturned and the win awarded to Walnut. It was overturned a couple of days later on appeal to the MHSAA.
If the argument was that the game clock doesn't show hundredths of a seconds, and there was still time left despite what was shown on the clock visible to fans, that's weird but I guess makes sense. But if they really applied not the official game clock but a clock embedded within the replay system, that seems crazy and obviously wrong. Even if the NCAA doesn'tn overturn the results, the playoff committee shoudl recognize the game was over and Michigan was behind, and an error in clock management doesn't magically make that a win for them with respect to post season resume.
We can recommend them a good framing business to make it look nice to hang on the wall.
Being a state fan, and knowing that we have had games altered that we were in, I can’t believe this would be a real response.
What happened was a joke and a scam by the B1G. Game was over and they got another play. They are right to pursue this even if it is a low probability scenario.
It's hard to keep up with all the various statements, but somewhere along the line NBC said the clock they showed on the air was not the official clock.
What we need is a single video that shows the play and a stadium clock. I facetious linked one yesterday that is too blurry to see...but I have been kind of hoping someone could enhance the quality.
Once the game is over, its over. As long as the refs are merely incompetent and not corrupt, there's never any sense in agonizing over it.
I don't mind a full investigation and explanation, but an appeal of the game?
Interesting. If they aren't confident what they displayed and said was accurate while broadcasting, then they should be out there shouting "ours was off a tick, the on field game clock was the same as the clock the review was based on". Say that and it's all done - there's nothing left to argue. But can they confidentially say that? That would mean there is a camera angle from a fan or someone on the sideline that shows both the touch and the actual scoreboard clock clearly in the same shot. That's doesn't seem to exist.
Every Big 10 Team that plays Michigan should get dinged on strength of schedule since they played a team that lost to Western Michigan.
I haven’t found anything in writing from NBC, but their live air comments in the immediate aftermath indicated surprise that replay had a different time. NBC believed they were in sync with the game clock, and I’m not sure it’s been shown they weren’t .
What I also would like to see NBC comment on is if the inset clock on the broadcast was video of the stadium clock…sure looked like it to me.
I know that this is really going to sound like crazy talk, but what if they actually shared audio/video of what was reviewed by the officiating crew in order to allow one second to be added back to the clock? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that anything has been shared with the public other than a promise that they did their jobs correctly. In this day and age of technology, it's hilarious that that a crew basically went behind a curtain to make a game changing call, and all we get is a "trust us"
Search Twitter, its out there. Just like in ACC games, they have the video and discussions. The question is what clock they are looking at. The clock clearly still has 0:01 showing when the ball is touched. And the numbers look like scoreboard numbers, but who knows?
I can't imagine the NCAA actually overturning the game, but I could maybe see Michigan getting shamed into forfeiting.
Shame… there is no shame in CFB. Kiffin has proven that over and over again
Why not get a judge involved? They seem to be running college football nowadays
Here's a fairly decent breakdown of the blurry video I posted earlier. You can, in fact, tell when the clock moves from 1 to 0...
And here is the video of the BIG review. I am leaning toward the theory that the video from NBC's clock camera was out of sync with video from the play camera.
With as many cameras/filming there are these days I'm surprised there aren't a dozen or so iPhone recordings in 4k from that end zone that capture both the first touch and the scoreboard clock.
Its kind of amazing that all these knuckleheads on Twitter can break down the videos at home, while the B1G and NBC cannot just provide an explanation.
Check the youtube video I started a new thread with. Same phone video, but he analyzes it well. But even that guy asks why isn't the B1G doing this instead of making it look like the worst cover up ever?
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