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BBNinSCar said:
2015 Kentucky would beat any of those teams listed.
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How?

Harrison brothers were incredibly overrated. Freshman KAT vs Clingan?

They put Stein and KAT in at the same time, UConn would spread one out and make them chase.

Castle would clamp Booker.

The coaching would have been an absurd gap.

2001 Duke vs them would be interesting. They didn't really have an answer for Jason Williams.
 
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BookofMormon said:
How?

Harrison brothers were incredibly overrated. Freshman KAT vs Clingan?

They put Stein and KAT in at the same time, UConn would spread one out and make them chase.

Castle would clamp Booker.

The coaching would have been an absurd gap.

2001 Duke vs them would be interesting. They didn't really have an answer for Jason Williams.
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Aaron Harrison had one of the most clutch runs in an NCAA tourney the year before. I don't dislike the twins as much as others here. the 2015 team, if coached properly, would beat any other team on the list hands down.
 
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Aaron Harrison had one of the most clutch runs in an NCAA tourney the year before. I don't dislike the twins as much as others here. the 2015 team, if coached properly, would beat any other team on the list hands down.
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Aaron Harrison shot 39% from the field and 31% from 3.

Andrew Harrison shot 38% from the field.

They weren't very good.
 
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BookofMormon said:
Aaron Harrison shot 39% from the field and 31% from 3.

Andrew Harrison shot 38% from the field.

They weren't very good.
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Offensively. They were a key part of that team's defensive dominance.

People always wonder how Duke could beat Wisconsin twice while UK lost to them. The answer is mainly Tyus Jones. Wisconsin couldn't really guard him, but UK didn't have anyone like that, and Wisconsin could guard the Harrison twins.

2001 Duke is overrated on this. That was the year they fell behind Maryland by a mile in the FF, and then Maryland gacked it away with a big assist from the refs.

And I think Villanova 2018 was the best offensive team of this century. They shot 50% overall, 40% from 3 on 29 attempts a game, and 78% on FT's. They blitzed through the tournament without really being challenged, including a beatdown of fellow 1 seed Kansas in the FF.
 
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Offensively. They were a key part of that team's defensive dominance.

People always wonder how Duke could beat Wisconsin twice while UK lost to them. The answer is mainly Tyus Jones. Wisconsin couldn't really guard him, but UK didn't have anyone like that, and Wisconsin could guard the Harrison twins.

2001 Duke is overrated on this. That was the year they fell behind Maryland by a mile in the FF, and then Maryland gacked it away with a big assist from the refs.

And I think Villanova 2018 was the best offensive team of this century. They shot 50% overall, 40% from 3 on 29 attempts a game, and 78% on FT's. They blitzed through the tournament without really being challenged, including a beatdown of fellow 1 seed Kansas in the FF.
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Duke beat Maryland by double digits.

They had the three time CBB DPOY NPOY senior, two first team AA's and three guys drafted in the top 6, to go with a multiple times NBA AS at center. Not sure how they are overrated.

Nova team was good, but they had nothing inside. UConn would do exactly what they did against Purdue against, sit Clingan back and drape their shooters with big guards, and sick Castle on Brunson. They'd likely have to win with their bigs canning 3s or a ton of mid range shots.

I think Duke 2001 could give UConn a run.
 
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BookofMormon said:
How?

Harrison brothers were incredibly overrated. Freshman KAT vs Clingan?

They put Stein and KAT in at the same time, UConn would spread one out and make them chase.

Castle would clamp Booker.

The coaching would have been an absurd gap.

2001 Duke vs them would be interesting. They didn't really have an answer for Jason Williams.
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That's what Wisconsin did. They spread us out. Pulled WCS to the perimeter.
 
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38 game winning streak. That will never be equalled. The 2015 UK squad would run any UConn team off the floor.
As much as I love the 1996 Cats, the 2015 UK squad was the best team in NCAA basketball history.
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Who cares about the win streak - didn't end in a title. Sometimes early losses make teams better, and the SEC stunketh that year. That UK team could have likely benefitted from an early loss.

I personally think 2024 UConn runs that UK team - wouldn't be close. They'd push them into that half court game, put them in a blender and neutralize all strengths with Clingan and Castle. I don't think freshmen teams can beat Hurley. I'd love to see him play a Calipari team.

Give me UConn by 12. UConn's only real loss that year was at Creighton w/Kalkbrenner, which got Clingan into early foul trouble and then bombarded them with threes. That's probably the recipe. Their first two losses were without Castle and some Clingan. 2012 could make it interesting with Davis.
 
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BookofMormon said:
How?

Harrison brothers were incredibly overrated. Freshman KAT vs Clingan?

They put Stein and KAT in at the same time, UConn would spread one out and make them chase.

Castle would clamp Booker.

The coaching would have been an absurd gap.

2001 Duke vs them would be interesting. They didn't really have an answer for Jason Williams.
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National defensive player of year Stein? Okay.
 
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DudahUK said:
National defensive player of year Stein? Okay.
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A bogus list - it's an anonymous coaches poll? Lol. It probably doesn't get more objectively accurate. I love hearing what the coaches have to say. Recency bias could alter it some, but they have 2001 Duke in 2nd place.
 
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BookofMormon said:
A bogus list - it's an anonymous coaches poll? Lol. It probably doesn't get more objectively accurate. I love hearing what the coaches have to say. Recency bias could alter it some, but they have 2001 Duke in 2nd place.
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If you think they are talking to real coaches, I got a bridge to sell you. Same as anonymous sources.

2001 Duke would get wrecked by 96 CATS.
 
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If you think they are talking to real coaches, I got a bridge to sell you. Same as anonymous sources.

2001 Duke would get wrecked by 96 CATS.
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Dude(ah), did you even open the link? They have all the quotes there. You think CBS is going to lie? Lol.

It's this century, meaning since the year 2000. 1996 UK is another conversation.

96 UK vs 24 UConn would be a blast. UK was so athletic, deep and long. They were the perfect Pitino team and Pitino teams have given Hurley trouble. This would be one of the most fascinating matchups ever. Totally different styles. UK's two losses that year were to dominant bigs, Camby and Dampier.

Would all be about who could dictate pace. That UConn team lead the country in assist to TO ratios, that UK team lead the country in turning the ball over. UConn had effectively three PGs on the floor, with another backing up in the rotation. Ultimately think that UK's depth and disruption causes enough chaos to disrupt all those sets.

That UK team had 7 pros on it, 6 first rounders. That UConn team had their entire starting lineup drafted at this point, 3 in the first round. UK was just too deep and wasn't dependent on 1 scorer, and could shoot the 3.
 
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2015 crashed and burned against Wisconsin. Roofer didn't help us but he was clearly not the reason we ran out of gas against Wisconsin's well-balanced team supported by their extremely mobile and talented bigs. Also had a legitmate scare against not-particularly-good Texas and only escaped Notre Dame by the skin of our KAT.

It was an awesome collection of players but no honest 3/swingman on the entire roster even before Poythress went down. Also had limitations due to neither Ulis nor Booker being, in that season, what they would become later. Add in Cal being Cal and I'll always be thankful for what they achieved without being terribly surprised how it ended.

2012 was a better team. More talent you could put on the floor at one time in a way that complemented each other. I wouldn't count them out against that '24 UConn squad hypothetically. Not saying they'd win a ten-game series. I'd love to see hypothetically what Tubby could have done against that '24 UConn team with the final version of his '03 team before Bogans was injured. Klingan arguably a little better than Estill at the end of the day but it's not like they could have won a game off that.
 
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The 2015 team had ONE claim to being the best team on the list: That was it's defense. And the defense was never the same after Alex Poythress was lost for the season.

The idea that Kentucky losing to Wisconsin was an historic upset is just not true. KenPom had Kentucky a 3 point favorite over Wisconsin. The Vegas line was 3.5. There have been, obviously, many bigger upsets in the Final Four and final game than that.

Kentucky's offensive efficiency rating on KenPom for the entire 2015 season was 121.3. Wisconsin was 129.0. Duke was 124.5. Notre Dame was 125.4. Kentucky had the best defense rating by a significant margin - but a lot of that was based on the pulverizing results like Kansas and UCLA early on - before the Poythress injury.

For some Kentucky fans, two factors keep them from letting go of the fact that 2015 was the greatest team of the Century: 1. It's Kentucky 2. 38-0. But the Cats could easily have lost up to three games in the SEC - home OT win over Mississippi when their star got gassed in OT, Double OT win over Texas A&M, and @ LSU when Keith "That's Just the Was it Isn't" Hornsby missed a last second shot for the win. Imagine losing two of those games, and going into the Wisconsin game 36-2. That loss wouldn't seem any more unfathomable than Arizona 1997 or Marquette 2003 or UConn 2011 or 2014.
 
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2015 crashed and burned against Wisconsin. Roofer didn't help us but he was clearly not the reason we ran out of gas against Wisconsin's well-balanced team supported by their extremely mobile and talented bigs. Also had a legitmate scare against not-particularly-good Texas and only escaped Notre Dame by the skin of our KAT.

It was an awesome collection of players but no honest 3/swingman on the entire roster even before Poythress went down. Also had limitations due to neither Ulis nor Booker being, in that season, what they would become later. Add in Cal being Cal and I'll always be thankful for what they achieved without being terribly surprised how it ended.

2012 was a better team. More talent you could put on the floor at one time in a way that complemented each other. I wouldn't count them out against that '24 UConn squad hypothetically. Not saying they'd win a ten-game series. I'd love to see hypothetically what Tubby could have done against that '24 UConn team with the final version of his '03 team before Bogans was injured. Klingan arguably a little better than Estill at the end of the day but it's not like they could have won a game off that.
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Totally agree on 2012, a very balanced team with an all timer in the middle, simply young. 2003 would have had trouble, even with Bogans. UConn would have thrown Castle on him. Estill was only 6'9", so not sure how much disruption he could really cause.

96 vs 24 UConn would be a load of fun (written above). UConn presents that amazing 96 teams weaknesses in being a low turnover, multi ballhandler team with a top flight rim protector.
 
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The 2015 team had ONE claim to being the best team on the list: That was it's defense. And the defense was never the same after Alex Poythress was lost for the season.

The idea that Kentucky losing to Wisconsin was an historic upset is just not true. KenPom had Kentucky a 3 point favorite over Wisconsin. The Vegas line was 3.5. There have been, obviously, many bigger upsets in the Final Four and final game than that.

Kentucky's offensive efficiency rating on KenPom for the entire 2015 season was 121.3. Wisconsin was 129.0. Duke was 124.5. Notre Dame was 125.4. Kentucky had the best defense rating by a significant margin - but a lot of that was based on the pulverizing results like Kansas and UCLA early on - before the Poythress injury.

For some Kentucky fans, two factors keep them from letting go of the fact that 2015 was the greatest team of the Century: 1. It's Kentucky 2. 38-0. But the Cats could easily have lost up to three games in the SEC - home OT win over Mississippi when their star got gassed in OT, Double OT win over Texas A&M, and @ LSU when Keith "That's Just the Was it Isn't" Hornsby missed a last second shot for the win. Imagine losing two of those games, and going into the Wisconsin game 36-2. That loss wouldn't seem any more unfathomable than UNC 95, or Marquette 2003, or UConn 2011 or 2014.
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I mean yeah poythress was needed. In this made up hypothetical I assume he is available. Thst changes things.
 
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BookofMormon said:
Dude(ah), did you even open the link? They have all the quotes there. You think CBS is going to lie? Lol.

It's this century, meaning since the year 2000. 1996 UK is another conversation.

96 UK vs 24 UConn would be a blast. UK was so athletic, deep and long. They were the perfect Pitino team and Pitino teams have given Hurley trouble. This would be one of the most fascinating matchups ever. Totally different styles. UK's two losses that year were to dominant bigs, Camby and Dampier.

Would all be about who could dictate pace. That UConn team lead the country in assist to TO ratios, that UK team lead the country in turning the ball over. UConn had effectively three PGs on the floor, with another backing up in the rotation. Ultimately think that UK's depth and disruption causes enough chaos to disrupt all those sets.

That UK team had 7 pros on it, 6 first rounders. That UConn team had their entire starting lineup drafted at this point, 3 in the first round. UK was just too deep and wasn't dependent on 1 scorer, and could shoot the 3.
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I admitted I didn’t in my first post dude. And yes. Have you been paying attention? Media it’s at its lowest approval EVER. So yes, I believe these “coaches” comments are either made up entirely or some low rank towel boy.
 
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BookofMormon said:
A bogus list - it's an anonymous coaches poll? Lol. It probably doesn't get more objectively accurate. I love hearing what the coaches have to say. Recency bias could alter it some, but they have 2001 Duke in 2nd place.
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You are comparing this article to the national defensive player of the year award? lol. Alrighty then.

I would too if I thought it was legit. I don’t.
 
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BookofMormon said:
Dude(ah), did you even open the link? They have all the quotes there. You think CBS is going to lie? Lol.

It's this century, meaning since the year 2000. 1996 UK is another conversation.

96 UK vs 24 UConn would be a blast. UK was so athletic, deep and long. They were the perfect Pitino team and Pitino teams have given Hurley trouble. This would be one of the most fascinating matchups ever. Totally different styles. UK's two losses that year were to dominant bigs, Camby and Dampier.

Would all be about who could dictate pace. That UConn team lead the country in assist to TO ratios, that UK team lead the country in turning the ball over. UConn had effectively three PGs on the floor, with another backing up in the rotation. Ultimately think that UK's depth and disruption causes enough chaos to disrupt all those sets.

That UK team had 7 pros on it, 6 first rounders. That UConn team had their entire starting lineup drafted at this point, 3 in the first round. UK was just too deep and wasn't dependent on 1 scorer, and could shoot the 3.
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lol and I love what you with the dude(ah). lol. My man.

I am way too high right now to debate the teams tho. Skip me on that part but no I don’t believe these “coaches” are real.
 
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Totally agree on 2012, a very balanced team with an all timer in the middle, simply young. 2003 would have had trouble, even with Bogans. UConn would have thrown Castle on him. Estill was only 6'9", so not sure how much disruption he could really cause.

96 vs 24 UConn would be a load of fun (written above). UConn presents that amazing 96 teams weaknesses in being a low turnover, multi ballhandler team with a top flight rim protector.
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To each his own but I see zero reason Castle would have been the antidote to Bogans or even that it wouldn’t have been the other way around. The strength of that UConn team was its flow and teamwork. Nothing our 2003 team didn’t have and I could blow off UConn in the exchange as easily as you blew off Kentucky but why waste time posturing like that when they never had a chance to play or come close to it.

And if we are going to posture. Our ‘96 team would have eaten ‘24 UConn alive. The other questions are more interesting because both teams would have had a chance.
 
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To each his own but I see zero reason Castle would have been the antidote to Bogans or even that it wouldn’t have been the other way around. The strength of that UConn team was its flow and teamwork. Nothing our 2003 team didn’t have and I could blow off UConn in the exchange as easily as you blew off Kentucky but why waste time posturing like that when they never had a chance to play or come close to it.

And if we are going to posture. Our ‘96 team would have eaten ‘24 UConn alive. The other questions are more interesting because both teams would have had a chance.
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Castle legitimately locked up every top offensive players they faced in that tournament, dude from NW, Terrance Shannon, Purdue's guards. And now he's doing it in the NBA. UConn had multiple offensive weapons, so Bogan's by himself couldn't lock anyone up.

I see games from a matchup standpoint.

I think 96 wins, no doubt. The waves of pressure and length would have likely caught up with them. I don't think it would have been that easy. It would have been a test of styles. If UConn was able to force their halfcourt game, reduce possessions and turnovers, they could easily win that one. Ballhandling is so much better today - you don't see anyone turning the ball over like that UK team did back then. I'd pay to see that game. Newton, Spencer and Castle were all strong ballhandlers and they had another PG off their bench. I'd love to see Pitino smack that team around though.
TarHeelInCharlotte said:
Dude, Field of 68 was only created 6 years ago. Jeff Goodman, as a writer for CBS, started these "anonymous coaches polls" back in like 2013.
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Yeah, but they are running this without Goodman now. To each their own, I love hearing non-scripted views from coaches.
 
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I actually think 2026 Michigan is the best team since 2000. I’m factoring in the increased talent of college basketball as a whole now that you have more borderline pros staying in college longer. The game is also more efficient now, with more advanced nutrition programs, better weight training, tactical evolution and advanced analytics. With all that AND NIL/transfer portal allowing CBB to be even more top heavy, balanced and weakness deficient, Michigan was still unfathomably dominant. They’re as good as anyone I’ve seen in college basketball.
 
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38 game winning streak. That will never be equalled. The 2015 UK squad would run any UConn team off the floor.
As much as I love the 1996 Cats, the 2015 UK squad was the best team in NCAA basketball history.
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Margin of victory would disagree. The 96 UK team would beat the 15 team by at least 15-20 pts. I loved that team but we played teams close in conference.
 
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Wildcatmenace said:
Margin of victory would disagree. The 96 UK team would beat the 15 team by at least 15-20 pts. I loved that team but we played teams close in conference.
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Way too close in some. I think we all like to remember the dump trucks of KU and UCLA i believe it was. UCLA especially got the business.
 
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Im The Village Idiot said:
I actually think 2026 Michigan is the best team since 2000. I’m factoring in the increased talent of college basketball as a whole now that you have more borderline pros staying in college longer. The game is also more efficient now, with more advanced nutrition programs, better weight training, tactical evolution and advanced analytics. With all that AND NIL/transfer portal allowing CBB to be even more top heavy, balanced and weakness deficient, Michigan was still unfathomably dominant. They’re as good as anyone I’ve seen in college basketball.
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I agree with you in many respects and respect them more and more. I think they have the best total frontcourt since 2000. They had all three go lottery in what many called the deepest/best draft decades, and Lundenburg is one of the most unique players I've seen. When is the last time we saw a three that big that could dribble, pass, shoot and defend? May is also a great coach.

I still think 2024 UConn takes them - Clingan was stronger than Mara, Castle would be in Lunderburg's shirt and Johnson would be chasing Karaban around. UConn's guards were significantly better. Hurley had Michigan down to the wire in a game Michigan got a very favorable whistle, I could only imagine what he would do with a team that was substantially better.

Don't be overly persuaded by KP - the reason many efficiencies scores have gone up in the last 2-3 years is because the portal/NIL has stripped the median of any talent, which is what these scores are measured against.
 
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I agree with you in many respects and respect them more and more. I think they have the best total frontcourt since 2000. They had all three go lottery in what many called the deepest/best draft decades, and Lundenburg is one of the most unique players I've seen. When is the last time we saw a three that big that could dribble, pass, shoot and defend? May is also a great coach.

I still think 2024 UConn takes them - Clingan was stronger than Mara, Castle would be in Lunderburg's shirt and Johnson would be chasing Karaban around. UConn's guards were significantly better. Hurley had Michigan down to the wire in a game Michigan got a very favorable whistle, I could only imagine what he would do with a team that was substantially better.

Don't be overly persuaded by KP - the reason many efficiencies scores have gone up in the last 2-3 years is because the portal/NIL has stripped the median of any talent, which is what these scores are measured against.
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I think Clingan and Mara mostly cancel one another out. Lendeborg is better than anyone else on 2024 UConn including Castle IMO.
 
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Margin of victory would disagree. The 96 UK team would beat the 15 team by at least 15-20 pts. I loved that team but we played teams close in conference.
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The 96 team is arguably one of the best teams of all time. They'd massacre 2015. You cannot understate the depth, length, coaching and intensity that team played at.

90 UNLV, 92 Duke, 96 UK and 24 UConn would be the Final4 of all time.
 
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The 96 team is arguably one of the best teams of all time. They'd massacre 2015. You cannot understate the depth, length, coaching and intensity that team played at.

90 UNLV, 92 Duke, 96 UK and 24 UConn would be the Final4 of all time.
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1991 UNLV > 1990 UNLV

They won the title in 1990, but the dominant all-time team was the 1991 UNLV team. They should have been champs that year, not Duke.
 
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2015 team’s best team in the century our 2015 team would beat anybody on any night. Cal over coached that team. When they gave up like seven points in the first half to UCLA. Looked like they could’ve beat Kansas by 100. Cal had to open his mouth though.
 
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Im The Village Idiot said:
I think Clingan and Mara mostly cancel one another out. Lendeborg is better than anyone else on 2024 UConn including Castle IMO.
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As a fifth year senior and NPOY runner up, it's hard to argue that. I do think Castle was the better lockup defender, and was relentless.

I think Clingan is better than Mara - Clingan had some super high efficiency scores, even as a freshman. Clingan lead the NBA in offensive rebounding this past year. I personally think you put a guy on Mara his size that is stronger, he'd wilt. He looked pretty bleh in summer league play.

It would be a good game, but I'll take 24. They had more continuity. Would love to see it.
 
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2015 team’s best team in the century our 2015 team would beat anybody on any night. Cal over coached that team. When they gave up like seven points in the first half to UCLA. Looked like they could’ve beat Kansas by 100. Cal had to open his mouth though.
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I take 2012. Davis was too damn good.

2011–12 Kentucky — 38–2, national champion​


PlayerClassPPGMPGNBA draft
Marquis TeagueFreshman10.032.62012: No. 29 — Bulls
Anthony DavisFreshman14.232.02012: No. 1 — Hornets
Doron LambSophomore13.731.22012: No. 42 — Bucks
Michael Kidd-GilchristFreshman11.931.12012: No. 2 — Bobcats
Terrence JonesSophomore12.329.32012: No. 18 — Rockets
Darius MillerSenior9.926.12012: No. 46 — Hornets
Kyle WiltjerFreshman5.011.6Undrafted in 2016

2011–12 season statistics


2014–15 Kentucky — 38–1, Final Four​


PlayerClassPPGMPGNBA draft
Willie Cauley-SteinJunior8.925.92015: No. 6 — Kings
Aaron HarrisonSophomore11.025.8Undrafted in 2015
Andrew HarrisonSophomore9.325.52015: No. 44 — Suns*
Tyler UlisFreshman5.623.82016: No. 34 — Suns
Trey LylesFreshman8.723.02015: No. 12 — Jazz
Devin BookerFreshman10.021.52015: No. 13 — Suns
Karl-Anthony TownsFreshman10.321.12015: No. 1 — Timberwolves
 
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  2. 02 KSR Football Will Stein Show Report: Kenny Minchey's accuracy, Nic Anderson's speed, and why high school recruiting is so important
  3. 03 KSR Football J Batt writes letter to BBN ahead of Kentucky football season
  4. 04 KSR Basketball College coaches do NOT consider Kentucky's 2012 title team one of the five best of 21st century
  5. 05 KSR Volleyball No. 3 Kentucky VB overpowers UCLA, earns sweep at home
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