Time for A New System

Mr Honda

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In my opinion one thing has become clear in North Carolina. At least at the higher classifications, 8A, 7A, 6A, using a strictly classification system based on enrollment has become obsolete. High school football in North Carolina, especially in areas like Charlotte, Greensboro and Raleigh have become a talent marketplace. It has also turned Friday nights into exposure events for the players, highlight reels, college recruiting. Winning still matters, but exposure matters more.

Coaching has become a game of roster management, not development. The best coaches now spend time on recruiting, retaining, managing egos and navigating transfers. All of this recruiting and transfers has, for the most part, destroyed the local identity of teams. For example, Charlotte teams may have players from 6-8 counties, no real feeder system and no long term continuity.

The deeper issue in all of this is that parents want the best coaching, the best facilities, the best competition and the best exposure. The kids want offers, NIL potential and social media clout. Coaches want wins, prestige and job security.

Here's why the in many ways, high school football seems or at least feels to be broken. The incentives changed but the structure didn't. All these transfers and recruiting have killed competitive balance. A handfull of programs now collect the best QBs, the best linemen, the best skill players, the best coaches. They reload every year because talent chooses them. All the other teams, unfortunately, become background noise.

They've also killed the meaning of conferences. A conference used to be geographic, competitive and stable. Now conferences are mismatched, unpredictable and irrelevent.

Would a tiered system, instead of a classification system be a solution? In the top classifications, enrollment no longer predicts competitive strength, it's transfers, coaching, etc...

What could a tier system fix?

Blowouts would disappear. Right now top classification teams routinely lose by 30, 40 or 50 points. Enrollment based grouping has now, for the most part, become meaningless.

Tiers would group elite vs elite, mid-tier vs mid-tier and rebuilding vs rebuilding.

Transfers would stop breaking conferences. One single offseason could change a mid-tier team into a powerhouse. Conferences stay the same for years. Tiers would allow annual movement, matching the volotility of modern rosters.

Because of all these transfers, playoffs have become, to a certain degree, illegitimate. A tier system would make them legitimate again. Right now the playoffs have predictable blow outs, predictable semi-finalists and predictable champions. Tiers would create competitive brackets, meaningful early rounds and perhaps a very real path for a mid-tier team to win a championship. Tier 3 and 4 teams can chase championships at their level instead of being sacrificial lambs for the Tier 1 powerhouses.

What could a tier system for North Carolina's look like?

Tier 1 (Elite) - Teams with heavy transfer activity, elite coaching, deep rosters and consistent playoff runs.

Tier 2 (Strong) - Teams that win consistently but aren't magnets for statewide talent.

Tier 3 (Competitive) - Solid teams with stable rosters, decent depth and occasional playoff success.

Tier 4 (Rebuilding) - Programs with low depth, high turnover, limited competitive success.

Regarding scheduling, you could keep conferences for school identity, traditional rivalries, travel convenience and non-football sports. Tiers would determine the majority of football scheduling, competitive matchups, playoff qualification and promotion/relegation.

With a hybrid schedule, you could have 3-4 conference games which would be mandatory with 6-7 tier games for competitive balance. This would keep rivalries alive, conferences would remain intact and tiers would be meaningful.

For the playoffs, qualification would be based only on a teams games within its own tier. Other conference games would not count toward the playoffs. Qualification would be based on tier standings, tier point differential, tier strength of schedule tier promotion/relegation rules.

For example you'd have Tier 1 playoffs, along with Tier 2, Tier 3 and Tier 4 playoffs. Seeding would be based on games played against other teams in their own tier.

Just a thought.
 

FB Fan92

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It’s definitely time for a change. NCHSAA needs to show some real leadership. Everyone knows what’s happening, but yet the adults in the room (those in leadership), just let it happen. There are no guard rails in high school sports in NC.

I’m for changing the system as you have proposed. It needs to go further though. There needs to be some rules put in place and some enforcement to make sure the rules are followed. It’s the wild west right now.
 

drop_tables

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The whole idea of allowing kids to commute to high school is still wild to me.
I feel like transfers should be allowed, only if the family can show PHYSICAL (not just paperwork) proof of dwelling/home within the district. It should be a state wide rule. If a family wants to rent an apartment or home within a district, the rule should be that a parent has to live with them. There should be no exceptions made.
 

PortcityFB

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I think there needs to be change too. Regular season games can be whatever teams want them to be and conferences can stay the same. The playoffs however should change. Classification in each division would have to be figured out each year. I would like to see this.

Private Schools playoff
Public schools without strict district enrollment playoffs
Public Schools with strict district enrollment playoffs
 

Rambleon22

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I think there needs to be change too. Regular season games can be whatever teams want them to be and conferences can stay the same. The playoffs however should change. Classification in each division would have to be figured out each year. I would like to see this.

Private Schools playoff
Public schools without strict district enrollment playoffs
Public Schools with strict district enrollment playoffs
This sound like a good idea similar to how things are done in PA. How would it be decided on the public school with/without districts? Where would we place Charter schools, I believe they should all be pushed into private playoffs. Something definitely needs to change. There also needs to be a plan for the rapidly decreasing participation numbers in football specifically which will lead to more 8 man teams popping up in rural areas.
 

KP4Lyfe

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I like put also include student national because schools with big Latino population don't usually play America football I feel like team for example Concord and Brown should be playing down a classification I think they would have better success
 

PortcityFB

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I like put also include student national because schools with big Latino population don't usually play America football I feel like team for example Concord and Brown should be playing down a classification I think they would have better success
New Hanover has the same issue. They have around 1500 students and 40% are hispanic. They have some Hispanic football players but not many. This year NH has 39 players on varsity and they are a 7A school.
 
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PortcityFB

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This sound like a good idea similar to how things are done in PA. How would it be decided on the public school with/without districts? Where would we place Charter schools, I believe they should all be pushed into private playoffs. Something definitely needs to change. There also needs to be a plan for the rapidly decreasing participation numbers in football specifically which will lead to more 8 man teams popping up in rural areas.
The state can surely figure out which schools are allowing students from outside their designated districts and which ones aren't. I am not talking about 1 or 2 kids slipping thru the cracks. That will always happen. There are many school who are posting their transfers on social media. They are not trying to hide it. If those transfers are moving into the schools district then that's fine, but that is not always the case.
We will never be able to address every issue and make things completely fair, one thing sports teaches us is that life is not always fair. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do the best we can. Some things are simply and can be done. Letting private schools into public schools playoffs has played a factor into where we are. Just take a look at the numbers, they tell the story.

Total state championships across all sports since 2000 with average enrollment
Cardnial Gibbons-114 (1600)
Charlotte Catholic-74 (1200)
Green Hope- 48 (2300)
Marvin Ridge 40 (1900)
Weddington- 40 (1900)
 
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beamer24

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I like a mutuplier. Every student that lives outside your district counts as 1.5 or 2 students. Parochials and charters same multiplier. Won't help with Hough situation but would help lower classes.
 

Vik-Val 86

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I have to wonder how certain school will get number of elite players and then it will shift to another school.. Looking at the past certain schools like Independence was getting the players. And it shift to another school getting the real good players. Have to wonder how long will Hough will keep getting all these good transfers and then finally they will fall off.
 
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PortcityFB

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I have to wonder how certain school will get number of elite players and then it will shift to another school.. Looking at the past certain schools like Independence was getting the players. And it shift to another school getting the real good players. Have to wonder how long will Hough will keep getting all these good transfers and then finally they will fall off.
The difference now is money. There is no telling what money is changing hands here. Who's to say some of these kids aren't getting $1000 or $5000 to come to a school. I do not know this for sure but I am not stupid either. We pay attention to the large NIL money but surely there is small amounts being paid. These are HS kids and any type of money might be enough to move.
 
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I agree with Mr. Honda 1000 percent. Its to many classifications. Just go back to the regular 4 or tweak the smaller schools and larger schools . Its a tough situation but this has to be figured out.
 
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