Why Did Rutgers Have to Rutgers?
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Screw that! We need that monorail now!
Yes, like Rutgers, Ohio State has a Newark campus. https://newark.osu.edu/
Rutgers is in better shape than peer systems. Penn State has 20 campuses and is closing seven of them next year. SUNY has dozens of campuses, faces a similar rural demographic problem as Pennsylvania, and should close campuses but hasn't found the political will to do so yet.
Rutgers has three campuses plus Rutgers Health. Camden has an enrollment problem, Rutgers leaders know it, and one of Tate's priorities is fixing it. Rutgers is more manageable than what Pennsylvania and New York face with many rural campuses that need to be closed forever.
Not sure if already addressed but a BSN is not required to become an RN. A two year degree is sufficient.
NJ is about 50/50 white and non white, and obviously the percentage non-white is going to be majority in the college age demographic. Then consider that most colleges are going to draw from those areas geographically proximate, and say even within a half hour of campus, the percentage of white students is going to be even lower.
Ah I see
So the purpose of a college is not to lure students from "high academic families" and to prize instead someone with the academics of an Auburn student who comes from a rich family?
As the first person in my family who graduated college and who had my Honda Civic on campus, LOL.
I have so many friends who I graduated RU with who are first generation and/or immigrant background (including non white ones!) that are huge RU sports fans and very involved. But instead, let's see if we can take kids with an SAT of drool but who will have the resources to post OF videos from a sorority house!
The level of ignorance on this board is something to behold but the idea a college should eschew people focused on academics in favor of money is really chef's kiss level.
Uh sorry, you need to learn the definition of merit.
If your family is middle class, especially of an immigrant background, and drives a Honda Civic, and they put every last red cent for you to get to RU, it's not merit. Maybe if you're white, it's a little merity.
But, if your dad went to a college or gets you a job at his workplace, or throws his money around to get you into things for which you are not qualified, it's merit. Assuming you're white of course, and preferably male. That's peak merit.
That's why we couldn't have race as a consideration in college admissions- only if dad went there, you know, merit.
Nowadays, 20 spots up from RU is Ivy range.
But we're not talking Ivies.
We're talking about Clemson.
And how NJ parents are forced to send Brad to Clemson, lest he be surrounded by Honda Civic drivers and students who will be the first in their families to graduate college, where he can burnish his merit until his graduation day where his dad will call in a favor for a job.
If we're operating on merit, why would legacy be a consideration? Being born to an alum is no different than being a born a different color, rich or poor, gender, sexuality, wealth or anything else.
If the idea is merit we look strictly at the qualification of the student, and NJ being a diverse state and home to thousands of alums, everyone will be represented, right?
Some people really have a chip on their shoulder about being born into unsuccessful families. Ooof
Even the generation RU (and every college) is trying to attract hates these people. I wonder if it's just trolling or are they actually ignorant enough to claim taking race into account (which there is no evidence RU does anymore) is unfair but how they should prioritize people based on how much money their family has or whether the parents went to school. The argument to consider both race and legacy and neither legacy nor race makes sense, but certainly not just one.
Any of us who actually went to RU actually knows the strivers, whatever their race, are the ones the best off right now. I graduated during GS 1.0, and the wealthiest fellow alum I know is going to be able to coast off of money he invested from working in finance. And he was not born in the US. But RU should have ignored him and focused on Chad from Alpine, who never had one struggle and who was deciding between RU and Auburn (because that is a thing). LOL.
I am glad though they think that scolding Gen Z like they scolded us for not wanting to keep taking from the middle class and giving to the rich will pay dividends, we see how that's going...
not a fan of either, legacy or race. Base it on socioeconomic background, no shortage of poor but smart, talented kids who will excel when given a shot.
Meanwhile, Michigan says hold my meritless beer. Purportedly one of the top public universities in the US. ihis is to help all those Asians who are not ready for college? I got my teeth kicked in first semester of engineering and nearly dropped out. It was humbling and formative. I survived and thrived later in life.School age, particularly college bound, population likely to be better representative than the general population.
On the merit argument, I think it would result in student bodies tilting even further toward Asian/South Asian Americans. Still considered over-represented in higher education, more than any other ethnic/racial group, particularly at the more competitive and highly selective schools.
Interestingly enough is that plenty of Asian Americans don't necessarily want to go where there are perceived to be so many already. While some find that to be an appealing quality others are not so keen about that.
Maybe they're afraid of the competition(especially if they're interested in going STEM or business)
Per my observation above, it wouldn't shock me if the punch line here was that the two friends are Asian or Indian themselves
And bonus points to another top public University, Berkeley, which dropped the SAT as a requirement for admission. Must have helped those unprepared Asians.
Yikes!
I don't know how The College Board came up with their numbers, but from personal experience I can tell you that tuition and fees for a private 4 year in 71-72 was nowhere near 15k.
Don’t know how true the numbers are but the sticker versus actual prices are interestingYikes!
If your household income is 100k and living in NJ, that’s living paycheck to paycheck
True. Too many income brackets listed here for such a small spread of numbers
Meritocracy is a slippery slope, particularly for those complaining that there are too many Asians at particular schools. 7-8 years ago, several of the Ivies explicitly said "If you are a white or Asian male applying for a STEM major you are going to have a more difficult time getting admitted." IDK if that was the case at Michigan and Berkeley. But if it was the case, you reap what you sow.
I don't have the time to argue. You don't get it. RU is attracting lower income families. Those demographics don't give and grow an endowment at the same level as high income families can and do. You wanted a value degree, you got it. High income families want experience and connections and they pay for that and to be around that.
Not hard to grasp. FWIW you need to stop acting like you're a subject matter expert regardless of topic. There are always 2 sides and you really struggle understanding that.
There is a big difference between Asian American and foreign Asian. It’s the latter at Rutgers that’s a bigger issue, though China specifically has been abusing our immigration system for decades.
Wealthy families can afford to send their kids to out of state colleges for the “experience”. The only way to make it more attractive is to move up in rankings. That’s not going to happen by taking less qualify rich kids. All the schools in the south are offering incentives to Jersey kids because they help them boost their academic standards.
I agree wealthy families can afford to a send their kids to out of state colleges for the experience - and do. This is not helping southern schools boost their academic standards because they recruit out of state students for their money, not their brainpower.
Clemson and Alabama - both focus on out of state students and football - are falling in the academic rankings.
University of Alabama at Birmingham's enrollment is overwhelmingly made up of in-state students, plays G5 football, and has passed the flagship Tuscaloosa campus in the academic rankings despite the Crimson Tide's six national football championships since 2004.
The top four NJ publics don't care about wealthy out of state students or football and all four are rising in the rankings.
Rutgers and UCLA have the highest % of Pell grant students in B1G at 27% - a proxy for low family income. This compares to the teens at Alabama and Clemson.
Rutgers and UCLA to focus on their states' deep pools of academically strong students - this is reflected in their rise in the rankings. Alabama and Clemson focus more on family wealth, resulting in a decline in the academic rankings despite football success. It is a difference in values.
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A lot of southern schools offer in-state tuition to academically qualified out-of-state students. All the schools around the country use kids in the tri-state area to boost their academic standards.
No matter how good RU has been to me and my family, the experience here is inconsistent and could be improved. That would help with reputation and word of mouth.
I remember reading somewhere that this dynamic has significantly decreased due to recent federal policies.
For many schools it has. Rutgers appears to be an exception.
That's not accurate according to Gemini:
Note: Neither the Department of Homeland Security (via SEVIS F-1 data) nor the Institute of International Education (IIE) releases a single public direct ranking of all U.S. institutions by mainland Chinese student totals. The rankings below reflect aggregated institutional reporting (Common Data Sets, ISSO reports) and federal student visa distribution estimates.
Top 50 U.S. Universities by Foreign Chinese Student Enrollment
| Rank | University | Approx. Chinese Student Population | 3-Year Enrollment Trend | Key Notes / Academic Pull |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Columbia University | ~5,500 – 6,200 | +2% to +5% | Highest Ivy total; massive pull in SPS, Engineering, Business. |
| 2 | New York University (NYU) | ~5,200 – 5,800 | 0% to -3% | Large urban campus draw; Stern, Tisch, and Data Science. |
| 3 | Univ. of Illinois Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) | ~4,500 – 5,200 | -8% to -12% | Historically #1 public destination; drop primarily in undergrads. |
| 4 | University of Southern California (USC) | ~4,200 – 4,800 | -5% to -10% | Viterbi School of Engineering & Annenberg Communication. |
| 5 | Purdue University (West Lafayette) | ~3,800 – 4,300 | -6% to -10% | Strong STEM focus; early pre-departure orientation programs. |
| 6 | Northeastern University | ~3,500 – 4,000 | +5% to +10% | Driven by co-op work options and STEM OPT extensions. |
| 7 | University of California, San Diego (UCSD) | ~3,200 – 3,700 | -10% to -15% | Impacted by UC non-resident undergraduate admission caps. |
| 8 | University of Michigan – Ann Arbor | ~3,000 – 3,500 | -4% to -8% | High demand in Engineering, Ross School of Business, LSA. |
| 9 | Boston University | ~2,800 – 3,300 | -2% to -6% | Questrom School of Business & Economics. |
| 10 | Carnegie Mellon University | ~2,800 – 3,200 | +1% to +4% | Heavy concentration in Computer Science & Quant Finance. |
| 11 | UC Berkeley | ~2,700 – 3,100 | -8% to -12% | State-mandated non-resident enrollment limitations. |
| 12 | University of Washington (Seattle) | ~2,600 – 3,000 | -10% to -15% | Shift toward local/domestic STEM admit allocations. |
| 13 | Arizona State University | ~2,500 – 2,900 | -12% to -18% | Undergrad pipeline drop off peak 2010s levels. |
| 14 | Johns Hopkins University | ~2,400 – 2,800 | +4% to +8% | Growth in Carey Business School & Bloomberg Public Health. |
| 15 | Penn State University (University Park) | ~2,200 – 2,600 | -15% to -20% | Reflects broader Midwestern public non-resident drop. |
| 16 | Ohio State University (Main Campus) | ~2,200 – 2,550 | -12% to -16% | Fisher College of Business and Engineering programs. |
| 17 | Rutgers University – New Brunswick | ~2,100 – 2,500 | -10% to -14% | Strong STEM, Business & Pharmacy pull; high NJ proximity. |
| 18 | Michigan State University | ~2,000 – 2,400 | -15% to -22% | Broad drop from peak levels of the previous decade. |
| 19 | Indiana University Bloomington | ~2,000 – 2,350 | -10% to -15% | Kelley School of Business remains key target. |
| 20 | University of Texas at Dallas | ~1,900 – 2,300 | +2% to +6% | Growth in Computer Science, IT, & Business Analytics. |
| 21 | UC Los Angeles (UCLA) | ~1,900 – 2,250 | -8% to -12% | Impacted by UC non-resident caps. |
| 22 | University of Wisconsin–Madison | ~1,850 – 2,200 | -8% to -12% | Strong demand in Data Science, CS, and Economics. |
| 23 | Cornell University | ~1,800 – 2,150 | 0% to +3% | Engineering, Hotel Administration, and MPS programs. |
| 24 | UC Irvine | ~1,750 – 2,100 | -10% to -15% | Affected by California system non-resident limits. |
| 25 | Stony Brook University (SUNY) | ~1,700 – 2,050 | -6% to -10% | Strong reputation in CS, Physics, Applied Math. |
| 26 | University of Minnesota – Twin Cities | ~1,650 – 1,950 | -12% to -16% | Carlson School of Management & STEM fields. |
| 27 | Syracuse University | ~1,600 – 1,900 | -5% to -8% | Whitman School of Management & iSchool. |
| 28 | University of Pennsylvania | ~1,550 – 1,850 | +1% to +4% | Wharton, Engineering, and Graduate Education. |
| 29 | Northwestern University | ~1,500 – 1,800 | 0% to +3% | Kellogg, McCormick Engineering, Medill. |
| 30 | University of Maryland – College Park | ~1,450 – 1,750 | -6% to -10% | Proximity to DC tech corridors, CS and Engineering. |
| 31 | University of California, Davis | ~1,400 – 1,700 | -10% to -14% | Agricultural Sciences, Life Sciences, Engineering. |
| 32 | University of Chicago | ~1,350 – 1,650 | +1% to +5% | High concentration in Master's (Financial Math, Analytics). |
| 33 | Duke University | ~1,300 – 1,600 | +2% to +5% | Pratt Engineering, Fuqua School of Business. |
| 34 | Harvard University | ~1,250 – 1,550 | +1% to +4% | Kennedy School, GSAS, Harvard Business School. |
| 35 | University of Florida | ~1,200 – 1,500 | -5% to -8% | Engineering and Business graduate degree programs. |
| 36 | George Washington University | ~1,150 – 1,450 | -6% to -10% | International Affairs, Business, Public Policy. |
| 37 | UC Santa Barbara | ~1,100 – 1,400 | -10% to -14% | STEM and Materials Science departments. |
| 38 | Georgia Institute of Technology | ~1,100 – 1,380 | +3% to +7% | High graduate growth in CS and Engineering. |
| 39 | University of Pittsburgh | ~1,050 – 1,350 | -8% to -12% | Health Sciences, Information Sciences, Business. |
| 40 | Illinois Institute of Technology | ~1,000 – 1,300 | -4% to -8% | High proportion relative to total campus population. |
| 41 | Stanford University | ~980 – 1,250 | 0% to +3% | Engineering, Computer Science, Natural Sciences. |
| 42 | Yale University | ~950 – 1,200 | +2% to +5% | GSAS, Management, Public Health. |
| 43 | MIT | ~920 – 1,180 | +1% to +4% | EECS, Sloan School of Management. |
| 44 | Washington University in St. Louis | ~900 – 1,150 | -2% to -5% | Olin Business School & Biomedical Engineering. |
| 45 | Stevens Institute of Technology | ~880 – 1,120 | +4% to +8% | Proximity to NYC tech/finance hubs; STEM OPT draw. |
| 46 | Case Western Reserve University | ~850 – 1,100 | -5% to -8% | Engineering, Biomedical fields, Management. |
| 47 | University of Connecticut | ~820 – 1,050 | -8% to -12% | School of Business and Engineering degrees. |
| 48 | University of Delaware | ~800 – 1,020 | -10% to -15% | Chemical Engineering and Business programs. |
| 49 | University of Rochester | ~780 – 1,000 | -4% to -8% | Simon Business School and Optics/Engineering. |
| 50 | Brandeis University | ~750 – 980 | -6% to -10% | International Business School and Economics. |
Facts are the enemy of bloviating phobes.
I posted this in April. Rutgers in close to the B1G median on international students. Seems like same is true for international students from China.
There was an article out not long ago that mentioned Rutgers as one of the schools least impacted. Assuming it meant all foreign exchange students not just Chinese.
6 pages (so far) and this is it right here.
Forget all the rest of the stuff. Fix the above and we will begin to make headway…with everyone.
A good start is to have as many HS athletic competitions on campus as possible. Considering we are starting to look more and more like a big time and B1G institution.
We like to nitpick about everything but for someone who’s never been on campus maybe they’ll see it in different (and less critical) eyes.
Exposure is the first step.
Keli is on it. "The university is making a strong effort to get all N.J. high school state championships to be played on their campus."
Keli should try to get every other high school sport to host its championship at Rutgers, except don't mess with wrestling at Boardwalk Hall.
It’s why I didn’t mention wrestling in another thread when I listed all of the other HS sports that should be crowned here.
And as I also said, it’s too bad the NJSIAA got rid of the TOC format to play down to one champion.
Uh, in terms of state schools, whether it's RU or Auburn or University of Michigan the point of them is to educate people of the state without preference to income. Is Clemson turning away poor but qualified applicants from rural South Carolina or their poorer parts of Charleston or Greenville? They are not. Why would RU be any different?
The difference is some rich person from Mount Pleasant SC or Grosse Point MI cares way less than their rich child might share a classroom with a poor one. As you wonderfully illustrated, NJ parents are aholes in that regard. I am actually quite confident that many have your absurd attitude (oh no, a Honda Civic on campus) but their ignorance is so boundary crossing that they're not realizing that their kid will be around "poors" at the SEC schools too. It's more that the people they brag to maybe moronically impressed by OOS tuition paying.
The people on this board whining about race but then insisting RU prefer legacies are just making the exact point they're being mocked for. They are out for themselves and worried kids with less resources, especially those from immigrant and non-white backgrounds, are lapping their spoiled children.
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