Latest Franklin shot towards PSU

Nitt1300

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This is a roster with veterans at virtually every position. A full compliment of scholarship players, Franklin had 53 when he arrived. It's really incredible how handicapped some members of the fan base are. It's actually possible to appreciate the 10 and 11 win seasons under CJF and hope for the same in the future for CMC. No amount of James Franklin bashing is going to make Matt Campbell look good if he can't achieve records equal to or better than CJF.
Campbell's challenge is completely different than what Franklin faced. Franklin brought PSU back into "the conversation." His downfall was his inability to step into the elite winner's circle. Campbell was brought in with the expectations to put the cherry on the sundae that Franklin couldn't complete.
I've seen season after season cries of "we deserve better." The future is now.
12-0 should be the expectation given the schedule
 

SkiSkiSki

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Yeah, all those 0-12 seasons were tough to deal with.
Enjoy watching him at VA Tech. I will:

"But Penn State tumbled out of the polls two weeks ago after losing to then-winless UCLA, which hadn't held a lead all season. Then at home on Saturday, the Nittany Lions lost to Northwestern.

With the two losses, Penn State became the first team since the FBS and FCS split in 1978 to lose consecutive games while favored by 20 or more points in each game, according to ESPN Research.

Yet Penn State's first defeat of the losing streak continued a troubling and inescapable trend under Franklin, which ultimately led to the move.

The Nittany Lions fell at home in double overtime to Oregon, dropping Franklin to 4-21 at Penn State against AP top-10 opponents, including 1-18 against top-10 Big Ten teams in conference games. Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for the third-worst record by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936, according to ESPN Research. Penn State has not defeated a Big Ten top 10 opponent since knocking off Ohio State in 2016."


Record Breakdown
    • Overall vs. AP Top 10: 4-21 (.160 winning percentage)
    • Vs. Big Ten Top 10 Teams: 1-18
    • Top-10 vs. Top-10 Matchups: 3-12 (when both Penn State and the opponent were ranked in the top 10)
    • Home Games in Beaver Stadium: 1-8
 
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psu83

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"earned" is an interesting word for it
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Nittering Nabob

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This video clip is so Franklinesque that I just had to share. Throwing players and assistant coaches under the bus for being unprepared physically and mentally. Obviously, it's not his fault... he went to the Admin and got them everything they wanted. :rolleyes:

I love how often he crosses his arms...he's trying to "self-secure".

 
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Ludd

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Enjoy watching him at VA Tech. I will:

"But Penn State tumbled out of the polls two weeks ago after losing to then-winless UCLA, which hadn't held a lead all season. Then at home on Saturday, the Nittany Lions lost to Northwestern.

With the two losses, Penn State became the first team since the FBS and FCS split in 1978 to lose consecutive games while favored by 20 or more points in each game, according to ESPN Research.

Yet Penn State's first defeat of the losing streak continued a troubling and inescapable trend under Franklin, which ultimately led to the move.

The Nittany Lions fell at home in double overtime to Oregon, dropping Franklin to 4-21 at Penn State against AP top-10 opponents, including 1-18 against top-10 Big Ten teams in conference games. Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for the third-worst record by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936, according to ESPN Research. Penn State has not defeated a Big Ten top 10 opponent since knocking off Ohio State in 2016."


Record Breakdown
    • Overall vs. AP Top 10: 4-21 (.160 winning percentage)
    • Vs. Big Ten Top 10 Teams: 1-18
    • Top-10 vs. Top-10 Matchups: 3-12 (when both Penn State and the opponent were ranked in the top 10)
    • Home Games in Beaver Stadium: 1-8
Now post about all the games he won because there was a lot of them.
 

Bvillebaron

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This is a roster with veterans at virtually every position. A full compliment of scholarship players, Franklin had 53 when he arrived. It's really incredible how handicapped some members of the fan base are. It's actually possible to appreciate the 10 and 11 win seasons under CJF and hope for the same in the future for CMC. No amount of James Franklin bashing is going to make Matt Campbell look good if he can't achieve records equal to or better than CJF.
Campbell's challenge is completely different than what Franklin faced. Franklin brought PSU back into "the conversation." His downfall was his inability to step into the elite winner's circle. Campbell was brought in with the expectations to put the cherry on the sundae that Franklin couldn't complete.
I've seen season after season cries of "we deserve better." The future is now.
Well said. Go Lions.
 

Bkmtnittany1

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I doubt that, there will be multiple posts after every VT game either criticizing Franklin if they lose or saying they didn’t play anyone when they win. Count on it.
One scumbag will be posting… it gives him something to ***** about, which is what he lives for!
 

Marshall2323

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Well said. Go Lions.
Penn State NCAA sanctions include $60M fine, vacated wins back to 1998 | Penn State Football News | psucollegian.com

On July 23rd I visited State College to pay my final respects to my beloved Coach Sarra. On the way home I listened to the draconian sanctions the PSU BOT invited. The pundits remarked that PSU Football would not be competitive for perhaps a decade or more. I felt like I buried one of the greatest influences on my life and the program I grew up loving on the same day. What actually happened is Bill O'Brien along with a team fashioned by Joe Paterno refused to quit. They put a tourniquet on the bleeding.
When O'Brien (who never took his eyes off the NFL) went to Houston, the most sought after young coach was James Franklin. I was in Nashville, ironically attending the Music City Bowl when the news hit. My sons and I expressed hope that James would come home to PSU. Franklin had 53 scholarship players and 4 scholarship offensive lineman on the roster. The following season, the NCAA lifted most of its sanctions, due to litigation, and we attended the Pin Stripe Bowl. I'm not ashamed to say I fought back tears when PSU won that game in overtime. I think so many true blue charter members of the BWICAC have short memories. I enjoyed every Franklin coached team save the COVID season and last year. He picked up the ball from O'Brien and had 10 and 11 win seasons and top 10 finishes (all achievements many predicted would never be seen again). After more than a decade, a change was needed. A fresh approach. Matt Campbell is a highly respected coach in the profession. Can he take PSU further than James Franklin? TBD? I'll never understand why any PSU fan would ***** about the way things have developed after staring into the abyss. We deserve better?
 

Marshall2323

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We have higher aspirations than lighting up Idaho and Georgia State.

You go ahead and list all those huge wins for us.
"We" sit on our asses and watch games. Fanboys everywhere think "we" deserve better. This is a comment typical of an entitled and delusional fan base. Franklin's win loss record was better than the previous 150 games (he coached 149). I'd say your record over 300 games (more than 2 decades) defines who you are. If you don't enjoy making the conference title game, winning a conference title game, 2 playoff games, a Rose Bowl, a Cotton Bowl a Fiesta Bowl then you are just an elite fan. LOL
Buckle up, because recruiting and NIL funding do not indicate PSU will be hanging a NC banner anytime soon. After this season, PSU is back in the Big Ten.
 
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I'm not as cynical so I don't see it as a shot at PSU or anyone else. No doubt the budget was smaller at Vanderbilt when James was there, so I can't fault the guy for stating a fact. I wouldn't say PSU was earlier in his career since he was still at PSU nine months ago. And with the way he kept finagling a pay raise almost every year, he certainly can't accuse PSU of being cheap when it came to paying him. Get a fat raise?? And have a team many considered to be one of the best in the country?? And start 3-3 with a couple truly embarrassing losses?? Something was wrong. Nobody, including James, should have been shocked by what happened next.

Don't compare resources at Ohio State with PSU. Also you conveniently don't mention the small detail that PSU was in the midst of the second most draconian sanctions in NCAA football history when Franklin came here. Was Penn State really patient with Franklin or the other way around ? I'd like someone to tell us that after 2016 he couldn't have left PSU for another program.
I think PSU parted ways with Franklin at about the appropriate time. Honest assessments would state that the relationship had been good for both up until last season.
There's a petty, entitled and delusional segment of the fanbase that pretend nothing good happened for 11 years. Perhaps they are the same loyal PSU fans that slurred his family at the final two games? Something to be proud of.
You conveniently leave Bill O’Brien out of PSU history. He’s the one who came in a saved the program with the players who stayed during the worst part of the BS
 
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NittPicker

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You conveniently leave Bill O’Brien out of PSU history. He’s the one who came in a saved the program with the players who stayed during the worst part of the BS
The discussion is about James Franklin. Nobody is trying to minimize the job done by O'Brien so it's odd to force him into the discussion. I didn't "conveniently" leave OB out of my post. I didn't include him because the topic at hand has nothing to do with him.
 

Nittering Nabob

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So in all the years Franklin coached he only beat Idaho and Georgia State? Sorry, I didn’t know that.
Early in his career at PSU he beat the cupcake teams he was expected to beat. Later, not so much (eg NW, UCLA).

How many VaTech message boards are you currently following?
 
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The discussion is about James Franklin. Nobody is trying to minimize the job done by O'Brien so it's odd to force him into the discussion. I didn't "conveniently" leave OB out of my post. I didn't include him because the topic at hand has nothing to do with him.
Sorry my comment was for Marshall some reason your name was in the reply.
 
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Marshall2323

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You conveniently leave Bill O’Brien out of PSU history. He’s the one who came in a saved the program with the players who stayed during the worst part of the BS
Actually OBriens first year included a roster of NFL rich talent. The BS was caused by the media generated noise. BOB would have screwed things up by early on demanding the players make an immediate decision to stay or go. He was persuaded to take a more conciliatory approach by Mauti and company. I'm amazed at how many fans here lionize him and ignore his loss to Ohio and Virginia that year.
He also managed to wrangle a new contract out of the BOT in what ended up being a two year marriage. That's something that is unforgiveable according to recent BWICAC rants.
O'Brien thought he would land an NFL head coaching job after the super bowl (which NE lost). He was being replaced as OC and Jaws gave Ira a heads up that BOB was available. It was a marriage made in heaven.....BOB was never about to stay at PSU. Not enough windshields in the parking lots.
 

Marshall2323

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The discussion is about James Franklin. Nobody is trying to minimize the job done by O'Brien so it's odd to force him into the discussion. I didn't "conveniently" leave OB out of my post. I didn't include him because the topic at hand has nothing to do with him.
The key to BWICAC HOF is to stay a year or two. Even better get voted in before you coach a game. ;)
 
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Marshall2323

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All P4 wins especially those in conference are big.
Some have not yet figured out that every week...50 percent of all competing teams lose. But we deserve better? Everyone would benefit if they looked at the results of the past 25 years and realize that PSU is a top 10-15 program. That's very good. It just isn't a top 5 program. If recruiting and NIL funding don't improve, they may be #5 in the conference.
 

LaJollaCreek

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So in all the years Franklin coached he only beat Idaho and Georgia State? Sorry, I didn’t know that.
The way JF still lives in peoples heads here is amazing....I mean the racist ones like pnny who didn't hide it was due to racism from day one were easy to ignore, but people still carrying on about him now are just odd. Thanks for the service and one BT title....next man is already up and hope he does do better...not really hard to figure out.
 

Bkmtnittany1

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Before he ever coached a single game??? Maybe you're pnny now...hard to keep track, but this was before he ever coached a single snap. It wasn't some huge amount of folks, but some of us do remember some of the posts that were deleted by that slob.
This moron you are responding… last fall he had a post where he said Mike Tomlin should be drug by his beard to the top of the tallest building in Pittsburgh and tossed off…. His handle was JohnJumba…. Tom deleted the thread. He is a mentally disturbed nut
 
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